what would you what would you really c.r.c. to me to try and bring me on board or surprise yourself in the shoes of a refugee i think everyone would want their family close family members to be safe i think that's what everyone wants is a really basic human instinct this bill wouldn't seek to open the floodgates it would just mean that for a very small number of refugees they would be able to bring that adult children children will be able to bring their parents these are people who have fled desperate circumstances war conflict human rights abuses and you know i think that we can be compassionate we can offer a humanitarian safe legal rate for people who have fled unimaginable dangers and i think that you know i really hope that we can see this bill through to committee stage that it does become a reality but certainly an impassioned plea almost as good as i'm spending make you look like you're not good for just before we finish the situation at least in two unaccompanied children we have

a sense of toll of of where they are and what numbers we're dealing with now. well as we are reaching the summer months then with likely to see the number of boats crossing the mentoring in increase people leaving libya because you know war is still forcing huge numbers of people from sub-saharan africa conflicts in. in south sudan people are fleeing these conflicts and they will always try to seek a safer place also from syria iraq afghanistan the boats will keep arriving and often parents do have to make a very difficult choice to put their children to make to make these dangerous journeys so we are likely to see numbers increase of unaccompanied children who are arriving in europe as as we reach to someone once finally i just wanted to wind up to get an idea of where we are in the pool safety we've got through one of the hurdles. it's going to committee stage so to get people watching

a timeline what's next well will be meeting with them pays they will pay a committee we hope to keep the public pressure on the government to keep this the forefront and there will also be an immigration bill that we're expecting some time we don't know when in the autumn so we really hope that one way or the other either through the private member's bill or three the immigration bill we will be able to make this thing or realises a lot of i wish you all the very base of luck with all the what you do and all the agencies you're doing to to get this across the final i think many people think it's absolutely the right thing to do thank you for all the p.f.s. and thank you very much for joining us on the show coming up after the break we'll be hearing from the member of parliament behind the bill i'm spending macneil.

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the far right. isn't just on the march it's taking violent. action i'd like to read. those organizations which are usually split into which we form different names how do you view that. complex web of british fashion. welcome back and i'm delighted to be joined by the member of parliament who's piloting this private member's bill the refugee family reunion bill through stages in the house of parliament welcome to the alex salmond show angus brenda mcneill

thank you very much alex a great pleasure to be here indeed for the cure states the of the human be and i was watching the proceedings in the commons and went up to the members of the a little bit difficult of the gallic mine is very good as had a few years of practice often and. now you've had a substantial achievement already getting a bill or private member's bill for second reading when it's not supported by the government that doesn't happen very often what do you attribute that success so far well i think a number of people of come behind this i mean on the day we'd support from five political parties the beloved all or support of seven political parties but really this is a good samaritan bill in any member from any political party who's of goodwill could be piloting this bill through fortunately i've been the one who has got into the situation who can take the bill forward and we've got tremendous support from the u.n. h.c.r. the refugee council the british red cross oxfam misty and a number of other good intentioned organizations you started your speech by talking

about example which i thought was very powerful this is your highness who you've met from from accountability tell us about how he's affected by this bill and what his situation that you have is a very interesting back story he's a refugee he was skipped from a tear in a tree or had been it would have been conscripted into a very brutal military we have refugees who have for themselves keeping it at a because all of siblings have been passed down to not it so your highness went through saddam and then he went with people traffickers across the sahara and two weeks in the back of a lot two weeks in the back of a pick up and the pick up of the warden if they fell out that was them the. would've been left and they then they were so tightly jammed in the pick up of the can with arms by their side so i was with a table for two weeks and there was from tripoli in northern libya a boat across the mediterranean before they're picked up by the italian navy so

your highness at that age was sixteen and i think issue and remarkable determination in life which is standing in very good stead no but your highness if this bill came through who'd be able to sponsor his sisters know in a camp and sudan to come and join him he gets to sponsor he's been granted refugee status and he would then get to bring a family member to this country as well so this would enable you highness to have the same rights and out of refugees to sponsor family members to come with them rather than leave them alone and isolated incidentally another side of it. refused to bring children over the age of eighteen because they have cases where some people been able to bring the children under eighteen with them but not the children over eighteen so an adult has been granted asylum been classified as refugee and feed of their life returning to the home country they would be able to to bring a child into this cause the law stands as a last chance but

a child doesn't isn't able to bring an adult to accompany them into this country once they've been granted status that's absolutely the situation and if anybody needs the support of a family you would say more so the child than the adult and it is a really strange and bizarre situation the u.k. has got this and i think it lead allied to the arguments that were made by some in the debate that this would be a cool factor because if it means that people some people are worried that they were just to take your example somebody from if your people would smuggle a child into them to this country and then use that as a means of getting at mittens themselves isn't anything and i don't know i think firstly if it was something that argument i think. adults would be going on mass themselves but they're not seeing this in any other european countries that children are coming just to be an anchor childless i think tennis i think was best summed up by lord cared of can look aired in the house of lords when he said it was

some swifty in joke to madge and that you would gamble your child's life for a month across the sahara in support ever sort of boat across the mediterranean in the very hope that you might find yourself in a european country but it's not an argument that some people might put forward the fate of li rewarding people for illegally getting themselves into this country i think you've got to remember these are refugees granted refugee status and surely we've all got the right to a family life and if somebody is a refugee then that here very legitimately for fear of their lives and being here and the fear of your life on the field of water whatever damage it could possibly occur to you you deserve to have rights you don't deserve to be treated like a social leper why can i don't refugees have rights to family to sponsor family members to come but child refugees of all people child refugees can't do that when it's just a case as some people seem to suggest in their debate that this might open up open

up all the floodgates is the usual term used and we've also got to remember that once we take the label refugees away from people they're only refugees for a short period of their lives you've got welders good teachers you've got nurses you've got everything society needs and i've been at any age when they're just beginning their productive lives so you know if you want to be really messed me but this we should actually be looking for more people like this with the drive and the determination to cross the sahara to cross about it today and i certainly would have done that when i was nineteen years old and didn't know. so people like that i think a great asset once they start to be a start to interact with society and interact with work and interact with people and about them there was a lot of support for your bill love had to be to get it through but that was opposite. as well and moments of passion in the debate which is quite surprising often in a private member's legislation which offer this totally non-controversial were you surprised at that interchange during your book and was there nothing would surprise

me most was the sort of the tabloid nature of some of it from people should know better people didn't address the point about a child refugee getting the same rights as adult refugees but it generally smeared feared of the the reason of of one day fiji committing some mocked in some european city when there are sixty five million refugees across the world i mean if a scots person did something bad some of our u.k. passionate bad some of the european did did some something bad someone has that smeared all europeans all u.k. people all scots know why my dredge up an example of that and i think i think at the end of the day that was seen for what it was know your flu that triumphantly through a second reading vote but just many obstacles still to come so what happens no two to your legislation having got it through second today will there's still a fair distance to travel looking like it'll be six months time before mining get to committee and then of course we've got another couple stages in the house of

commons and got to go to those of lords as well famously lot dops to for us but had a huge success against the government's wishes himself a child refugee from nazi germany in the can the transport program that that's the sort of member who you hope will come in behind your bill absolutely and sort of em but i expect we'll combine the bill and it's been a round of some of the gatherings we've had around this bill and the moment you bring refugees and people seem to be all angsty about it but then after a while when people have integrated after a few months in a few years and contributed to society people are glad they've brought them in whether they be welders or shopkeepers or doctors or whatever. there's been a huge cycle dividend in just about every society in the west that stick of refugees in canada because you tip everyone is quite. interesting a special holocaust memorial day edition of the sure and if you'd feel you know all of a survival of the concentration camps just had an amazing ninety plus year

old living in a conservative west country for so long for the most extraordinary life story. relate to thing. if your bill is successful or if the government makes a concession towards your bill some appropriate stage. the measure of the limited and they might actually be successful in saving someone from them or from a pesach you shouldn't or even death yeah i think it i think it will do that and you know your highness's story and having crossed the saddle with people traffickers knowing what the law in that empty desert as an end of the people traffickers guns to put it delicately secondly doesn't want his sister to be traveling on that journey so that stops him sleeping at night. so if you could change that situation and she could just travel safely just get in an aircraft short papers and come over and she do that in a few hours problem solved and people's lives have been changed and you know what goes around comes around and this is a piece of legislation that's also

a campaign and you've been campaigning with these organizations supporting your bill weight range of organizations how important is their actions outside parliament to helping the progress of your legislation inside but hugely i mean i think the help of the un had c.r. the budget red cross in particular oxfam misty the refugee council a massive impact and the huge push amongst the members which gets you down to the public in the been the public in turn push m.p.'s and make things happen there the support of actors as such as julia stevens and that's an inborn the id. the kaiser chiefs a number of people have come on board and have used their privileged position in a way to help others acknowledge privileged position has been very pleasing. but we do need and we have to push further than the government so one of the most got to find things at the end of the bill was a young twenty researcher came up to me and put him in their quarters as a commons after his m.p.

had voted against me to see his office and all the stuff went on side with me and what we're trying to do and everybody else so your legislation your campaign last fall and as a sudden the maton experience which has persuaded you you've got to drive on with this bill with this legislation yeah absolutely one of after the devote on on the on the bill in the house of commons and the gallery people started celebrating clapping their hands and you know there's a bit of a who how that's unusual to have the speaker low that i think they're loaded with two three seconds before they said we have to move on but you know there was an opening of genuine relief and happiness but i met your highness's girls and a young lady from sudan and how to explain how to under harness that this is only one of the stages of the bill because you could have been misled for thinking at the moment of celebration that that was it it was sorted and to see it face to see you can't yet bring your family in from sudan. you can't yet move on as we hope

because there are so many other stages he said lee felt the pressure of we must deliver on this because then i know a lot of people whose hopes have been raised you know want to dash those hopes and they just get hopes of normal people to be with their loved ones i guess but neil thank you so much for joining us and alex i mentioned great pleasure thanks a lot ali thank you and my time in the house of commons i saw many a great idea shot down in flames when it was introduced as a private member's bill according to the conventional law of politics the only weight of a good chance for a private is to make it so i'm contentious that the government offered to shepherd it for themselves even some measures which of the tacit support of government could still be vulnerable to parliamentary tactics like filibustering from a few last ditch ills in the back benches. the effort to get a bill not supported by the government through its second reading is no small matter now is and has been able except he's very far from the home straight government opposition will likely still sink his bill and committee and other

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this. international russia says it regards the poison in the form of a double agent. in the u.k. . and the british government refusing moscow's calls for a joint investigation. classified documents provided by whistleblower edward snowden revealed that the much praised security of. may have indeed been compromised by the us national security agency. as the son of libya's former leader . runs for president we speak exclusively to his lawyer. the situation. is the result of the destruction of the state institutions. receive.

become a democratic state. international welcome to the program. an act of terrorism moscow is qualifying the alleged poisoning of a former russian agent and his daughter russia's foreign ministry adds that it expects on says on the script from the u.k. and questions why london refuses to even cooperate on the investigation. no dear a tutor explains. the foreign ministry spokesperson said a number of things firstly he reiterated that russia could have in no way benefited from the attack moscow says they consider this to be a terror attack secondly they stated that the u.k. refused to cooperate with russia which is against the convention on preparation of

chemical weapons and he mentioned the attack could have been orchestrated by another party but then clarified that russia is not pinning the blame on anyone and asked that his words not be distorted let's take a quick look and. see that the british authorities are becoming ever more nervous and it's clear why the clock is ticking they have backed themselves into a corner they will eventually have to provide an increasing number of unanswered questions we expect from london and from the organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons and official. developments regarding the scruple case we need comprehensive conclusions and detailed confirmation a spokesperson for the defense ministry also spoke out he said that it seems that britain is afraid to conduct an unbiased investigation into this whole case and that the u.k. presented no proof that gas illegibly used to poison scruple was made in russia now we did have a reaction from a london embassy spokesperson who stated that moscow doesn't have to present

anything in terms of script or case but is ready for a joint investigation london has proposed russia a dialogue over this case however it doesn't see a constructive approach from moscow now the ambassadors that did not attend were britain u.s. and france britain and the u.s. sent embassy workers instead a crimp spokesperson reacted to the u.k. decision by saying that it showed unwillingness to hear russia's to its questions that moscow to date has denied any involvement in the attempted murders of cripple and so this diplomatic spat that has gone on for a while now looks to continue to go on for some time. former russian officer. was jailed in russia for handing secrets to british intelligence was moved to the u.k. in a spy swap in twenty turn three weeks ago when his daughter were found critically ill in salzburg and u.k. police expect their probe on the alleged poisoning to take months however british

politicians were extremely quick to pin the blame on moscow britain's foreign secretary has become the latest to launch accusations. russians as ever responded with. distortion and delay and that is their tactic. the cyber warfare this information middling in european election campaigns to say nothing of election campaigns elsewhere. russia has got to be moved. i want to be very clear that we do not wish to engage in a new cold war and i deprecate that term i don't want i remember. johnson has been one of the most outspoken in blaming russia but his latest claim borders on bizarre. they go the royals like to go. to the. putin is commuted the way he was the one hundred

thirty six. so i think the comparison with looking through the sixty's is certainly right that's a p.r. effort on virus johnson's part actually look the british government is not treating this event as a criminal investigation they using it as an opportunity to spread more bellicose rhetoric against russia and it's up to the accusing party to present the evidence first and then the defense will counter that so britain has presented no evidence whatsoever of russia's involvement in this to disappoint. the russia a blame game has extended now into areas once considered beyond a political point scoring on london correspondent anastasio chuckin a found an educational project that appears to have found inspiration from boris johnson himself. what's better than helping the young to try to maneuver the ever tricky world of global current affairs. of the day is an online news

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peskov and you can watch the full interview on friday for now a preview. we have to remember the starting point is the you know words of president putin that russia has nothing to do with this accident. we're not speaking about no attempt to murder or to murder a russian spy in great britain where spinning about attempt to murder a british spy and great britain if he's handed in so russia quits with him he's of zero value of zero importance. go ahead. we're not as crazy as to is to even to think about something of that kind. before presidential elections and before such important event global event as.

football championship. the first blaming came from politicians just a couple of hours after the accident and now what we see we see words of experts and experts of organization for p.c. w. . that say that the preliminary examining of this agent will take about three weeks . is it contradictory yes it is. this is r t international facebook chief executive mark zuckerberg has for the first time commented on the scandal surrounding the social network after it was revealed that the personal details of its customers were being used for political purposes in a lengthy facebook apology zuckerberg detailed exactly what went wrong with the

privacy policies and what steps have been taken to solve the problem he added that the company quote will learn from this experience to make the community safer for everyone going forward now to remind you of the scandal involves a data gathering firm called cambridge analytic it worked with multiple u.s. presidential campaigns including donald trump and reportedly harvested the details of fifty million facebook profiles for its political operations the company is now under investigation and has even suspended its chief executive however despite the fact that the scandal concerns an american tech giant and american data mining company there are still being bizarre attempts in the media to tie the whole story to russia is our guest here. imagine being the liberal democrat and being stuck in a trump presidency for a year is it must be horrible.