food well if poor people ate less of the wrong food taste would be better off we've got to educate witnesses in the context of hundreds of thousands will be able to eat tonight without food bags so obviously their premature deaths should there be them or not to do with obesity presumably where were the jews are we have a we have two million. type two diabetics in the sky two million what's the cause of that overeating what's the cure eat less and you can actually cure many of these cases if they would eat less maybe why this isn't amazing more. in a bigger fashion and people can look at the finances in the way it's affecting poorer communities is a fact that your apportioning it seems blame to these poor community are here other than sage of the food multinationals asked to blame no no i take that point entirely and i'm not in the business of blaming. poor people for being obese and

i'm not blaming children for being college potatoes again for an insult to say that because in the activity it doesn't lead to obesity obesity leads to an activity that's different the other thing they blame israel people for getting older the old people have always been getting old and they've been getting older since the war when the health of the nation was at its peak but now as you mentioned already long gravity is beginning to tail off yet but it's not tailing off in japan as. we know the nerve expectancy continues to increase in other countries because they are not well they're not overeating yet but in africa it's not a big problem overeating and obesity i mean it's a crazy world isn't it half the world is starving to death a male office gorging itself today and you see it all round you. obesity. but

ok with this some other elements of this. l.h.s. have a moment you believe that there may be a conflict of interest if we can't talk about say the food industry always gonna talk about the food well that i'm always criticizing them and they are to blame for a lot of this but they're beginning to change and instantly the press and the media in general have been very very good this last year in high like to this problem of obesity and overeating and so on and they've highlighted also so wonderful things like you go into a hospital and there's a great stall selling all the food that's producing the diseases that they're teaching in the hospital and the press have been very good about highlighting that and all credit to them arguably that's to do with the creation n.h.s. trust in the village of privatized those bits of the ground floor of hospitals for big multinational food manufacturers and you say well yes but we've got to get on to the food industry and unpressed them because after all it was the food industry

aided and abetted by a lot of university people and n.h.s. people who say told the british people to have a low fat high carbohydrate high sugar diet which was there was quite the wrong thing and then they said that all the calories we eat is expended on excise which isn't true it's only a fraction so you had hundreds of thousands of people pounding the pavement thinking they're going to lose weight because all they do is wear out their joint exercise is good for your general health but not in terms of reducing your weight that's the problem we can of course blame our own governments here but do you think one element of that then was lobbying in brussels in strasbourg and that's our law going all over the place yes absolutely and lobbying here in brussels all of the food lobby is very powerful but wouldn't you say that all of this started then from the meiji years the blair years of this trying to copy a commercial. environment within the n.h.s.

well it's a very commercial idea to get inspectors from head office look at the world we need to get rid of the tent need all the swarms of inspectors i mean a professional is an organization which should look after itself and police itself you see and in fact you see doctors much better at policing themselves than people coming out coming in from outside who don't know really think about the subject say that but also as a beachhead the royal colleges are saying it's never been as bad as it is fundamentally do you not think the problem with the whole of sustainability is the fact that we fund the n.h.s. and how as a percentage of g.d.p. that the united states doesn't way lower than germany or fraud well it's not all that much lower than germany actually and france where are present there at twelve percent well it's a bit closer than months of matter of fact and actually we're probably more

efficient poor over zebrafish it gets where using far less money out of g.d.p. to pay for a public health far less it's only a few percent but it's really a few percentage points is after all the about we spend on the feds and where there is quite a lot of money yes you can i just ask you finally about the jamie colby has written to the prime minister about new policies necessitating immigration checks on people for life saving treatment. what would you say about the checking of immigration status for life saving surgery that well obviously i think there's no problem with people who fall ill it's an emergency there's no problem there told them either where they come from we treat them and indeed i've treated many people from abroad but the problem is if they set out from abroad with a cold condition and that. label jurors yes it's medical tourism and that that is

a problem and i think it's right to try and tighten up on that finally just think that one of the problems with the attlee government introduction of get h.s. was at allowing doctors to work private as well as for public and this is caused a structural problem with no i honestly don't think that because it's only a small percentage in fact i'm one of the advantages of allowing a little private practice is it kept them within the curtilage of the hospital where they were working so they did their private practice within the curtilage of n.h.s. hospital so they're wrong or they were on the premises but that's the important thing incidentally that they i was rather like that liam us has a new youngster at the time but you know once he said in in the commons we're going to introduce prescription charges not to raise money because linda raised ten million and the total budget then was four hundred million can you believe it no he

said it's to discourage people from using the n.h.s. excessively and unnecessarily so he hit the nail on the head but he shouldn't have put it on drugs should be put on going to see the doctor just the shelling because if you pay for something you do value it more and attlee realise that if you're very poor fun or not if you're very poor don't have a shilling well in that mirror because there are exceptions if if you were poor you didn't pay but you got your drugs free from billions attached to the n.h.s. that is well. who knows but it's interesting that prime minister at they didn't actually see the point even then but they're not of course when to learn to do it unfortunately global golf thank you pleasure after the break why of all the six hundred british soldiers still. in afghanistan after

this week's isis attack near kabul university we investigate alleged lies from nato governments with a us state department head to get official former captain matthew hoh tourism a says britain hasn't had it so good since without the war prime minister harold wilson was in power at this week's pm pugh's goal is a ball coming up what do you have going on the ground. dancers financial survival guide i don't buy any i prize on a teacher's. face on almost a friday that's the last time i fly in from the future so crocker watch kaiser. join me every thursday on the alec simon chill and i'll be speaking to us from the world of politics or business i'm show business i'll see you then.

welcome back while media and british cabinet ministers all but declared war on russia and facebook this week the leader of western europe's largest socialist movement jeremy coleman was more interested in what the u.k. labor party sees as collective economic punishment for the crash of twenty year wait this conservative government has slashed public services they cut funding and expect councils to pick up the pieces the result of this is children centers are closing schools are struggling fewer preys on the streets older people being left without care or dignity and refuges turning will be the way the tories are only ahead of local government says it's unsustainable and doesn't it tell you everything you need to know doesn't it tell you everything you need to know about this government that it demands households and businesses possible to get business

in the minority government needed to raise a male during a prime minister's questions appeared to ignore inflation in her arms this government is spending more on our schools and our n.h.s. than. we're able to see that because of the balance approach we take to our economy because of the strong economy we see under the conservatives and i notice that the right honorable gentleman in the six questions does not mention today's unemployment for. employment as ensuring to record high unemployment hasn't been lower since nineteen seventy five interesting she brought up nine hundred seventy five when britain was led by a labor government run by harold wilson and i'd like to raise a mayor when it came to government expenditure will soon wasn't as interested in expenditure on us wars that arguably end in failure. like on ours.

we have no plans for expenditure in the end. please harold wilson was inversely not convinced by the u.s. war in vietnam which killed around four million civilians strays or may though is convinced their british expenditure in blood and treasure should still be deployed in afghanistan let alone syria and let alone income from the war on yemen in a week with at least one hundred killed or wounded in the afghan capital of kabul all the publics of nato nations still being lied to about how winnable the war there is in the fifteenth anniversary week of the british labor governments bombing of iraq i'm joined by matthew hoh a u.s. state department and pentagon official who was part of the iraqi occupation and who resigned over afghanistan matthew welcome to going underground you resigned your position with the pentagon over alleged lying by the hillary clinton state department your allies of the drone no i think it's just about the same the deal with you've got trump now. different than obama but the thing that has remained the

same or the same career minded people at the state department at cia at the pentagon who are dedicated to their own careers and dedicated to the empire basically but is drawn buggy really listening less to there's a line we don't know whether we can take michael wolff seriously in his book on drugs and there's a scene in it where he where trump tells off. all the generals in the situation room about this suggestions as to what to do with afghanistan this year does that ring true is a little drum saying we need to make money like the chinese out of afghanistan we shouldn't be in regime building or training or whatever it is if you're someone like donald trump who you know always say about him he is an intelligent person he has accomplished a lot look he beat seventeen people in the republican primaries he built be hillary clinton he does have a brain in his head as if i mean we shouldn't underestimate him and if you're explain for the first time what's happening in afghanistan any reasonable sensible

person is going to say this is insane get out so i do think that wolf comment rings true however what we've seen in afghanistan is an escalation of the air war is the escalation of commando strikes look american special operations conducted in six months two thousand raids on afghan homes and villages just in six months american commandos did that so there has been an uptick a big uptick in the american war in afghanistan now trump sensibly may have said i'm not sending more ground soldiers there but that fits in with the rest of the american war plan throughout the greater middle east through the muslim world we're going to use proxy armies we're going to use american air power train transition to like allied air power like the saudis saying am in firepower like artillery and mortars like we saw you say in mosul or rocca and we're going to use commandos like the iraqis did or the afghans are now dead then backed up by american commandos or british commandos and that's the way of war that's the way of maintaining these

borderlands in the empire this perpetual war that so many of the generals including mattis who is sector defense are kelly who is the white house chief of staff believe is necessary to again maintain the empire i think the british ministry of defense calls him because of this rather than soldiers but britain is in. deed on the ground some type of british shooting will booties on the ground you talked about all of that what is the actual aim of all of this look if you look at what's a general mattis or general kelly. talked about if you go back and look at their speeches they view america the u.k. the west as the apex of civilization they view themselves as modern day legionnaires who are protecting the republic who are defending the empire and what they need to do is necessary in terms of warfare being a constant state of humanity and that these forces are just there to

maintain the base level of order they've called in the special operations community or the cia for years now they've called it moaning the grass the they idea that you have to do maintenance that you have to continually do these strikes on these lawless areas on the areas that you can't subjugate or bring on or control and this is what the greatest difference is between the trump war plan and say obama or bush's war plan is there is no outcome to it i mean say what you will about the bush and obama war plans they were criminal they were immoral they were hurried not going to work. but they had political objectives they tried to have elections they tried to do economic development they tried to have negotiations or bring in parts of the populations to be inclusive in the government under the trump war plan which again is really a madison kelly mcmaster war plan there is none of that if you actually want to say the brad pitt film i think it's available and what's known as we have another. i

mean that's realistic that's the kind of madness you're describing it's hard to come up with a better word than madness. is just absolutely look at the military you're trained to take the hill and then you take the next hill and you just keep going on there's no end state for it and that's what you see you have these career. minded generals who believe that there are more capable or better than the preceding general that's why we've had how many seventeen different eighteen different commanding generals all of which in afghanistan say the same kind of thing just give me some more troops and some more time and we'll win it was one undeniable of success or failure of afghanistan has been the massive increase in heroin deaths in britain in glasgow we have a death rate of one thousand three hundred fifteen percent higher than the european union norm what does it feel like for you and we can only imagine the death rates of jews are going in the us in this area as you know in the united states we've had

a three or four fold increase overall throughout the whole country in use and in deaths we've it's epidemic it's it is a national health crisis the united states opioid epidemics it is horrific what is occurring that has occurred and yeah i don't think you can see it in d.c. i would need to see you see if you see it throughout the country it's it's getting a lot of attention because it affects the white communities when the when the crack cocaine epidemic occurred in affected the black or african-american community didn't have this kind of attention you see the to solve the problems that drive so many issues but regarding the opioid issue yes no quinson it's that we're having this opioid crisis and the opioid production the poppy production that produces these opioids heroines are going to whatever has increased exponentially i mean each year there are record crops in afghanistan since the west invaded since

we put this afghan government in power which is composed of the drug lords and what we have done for years in afghanistan is being in bed with the drug lords help the those who are in the afghan government those who are in the afghan military stomp out their competition root out their competition in that's why when you were there when i was there absolutely are. happened it was happening certainly we saw it we we rewarded afghan governors who were whose families had poppy fields of their own and then use the afghan police and the afghan military why do you do you work there at the yeah i mean like you saw you saw us occurring it was it was it was one of the reasons i resigned i mean because you're taking part you are taking part in the formal established drug trade the united states government denies it's complicit in the drugs trade it wasn't as if the americans were loading up the poppies or roping

in her hair when into our aircraft or was it like our soldiers are out there playing the crops and harvesting merry thing else but we were complicit with the people who were benefiting the most from the afghan drug trade sale akaka wali karzai who was president harman karzai is half brother who was the biggest drug lord in southern afghanistan until he was murdered i mean these are the men that were benefiting from our occupation well i'm sorry as it was a while before i'm sure his brother would deny it is brothers being on this show former president karzai made it even more worrying even more worrying accusations about u.s. policy on this program he said he saw in july that there were helicopters u.s. military helicopters being used by islamists in afghanistan would that ring true i don't believe that america that we americans would be so stupid as to actively use our helicopter say to ferry islamic state fighters however the fact that we did

things to try a man is to try and pick winners and losers to try and be smart and certainly know in syria that whereas american money may not have been gone directly to hide as nusra front or to the islamic state in syria certainly saudi turkey is qatari money was going we are aware of this we have good faith because you know i say we deny it but we have we have reports from the. defense intelligence agency the american defense intelligence agency that warn of this that warned of the backing of these islamist groups these backing of these extremist groups in syria we were managing and funneling money to win logistics and supporting the islamic state and al-qaeda in syria and we believe that the imaginary line that existed that boundary between syria and iraq would keep them out of iraq so in syria we're trying to use the islamic state to overthrow bashar assad but across the border across the sand boundary we are believing we can keep them under control and in check and not have

them threaten the government and baghdad i mean it just boggles the mind that we have people in power who would be so stupid as to think and i keep going back to this word and i apologize i can't be i'm trying to be a little more articulate but stupid is the only thing that keeps coming back to me because this is what happened and then of course in two thousand and fourteen islamic state takes mosul and now we've seen the complete destruction of sunni cities throughout the tigris and euphrates river valleys in iraq and this is a consequence of course of the american invasion and occupation which the u.k. of course was completely complicit in and took part in but not just that but but also to it's all because we have people in power people and they are telling us operative says in the u.s. and also here in the u.k. who believe that they are smarter than their predecessors and certainly smarter than the people in the middle east and that they can manage in co-opting coerce these people that you're oh thank you back to the show but we'll be back on monday

when we speak to unicef about how british shopping training and targeting has affected the poorest country in the middle east three years to the day of the saudi ball that if you haven't began to let you know just by social media will see on monday the birthday of a streetcar named desire as tennessee williams who protested the u.s. state department and he called me to switch to get this fellow playwright and husband of our love and wrote off a bit of. global war hawks sell you on the idea that dropping bombs brings police to the chicken hawks forcing you to fight the battles they still need. to do stop spreading tell you that so be gossip a couple of us fell for the most important news today. off about her eyes and tell me you are not cool enough and let's not fight your product. these are the hawks that we along the border will watch.

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needs to worry us go down to the way you see schumer was the only one window on the . most aggressive story was how the sea shepherd stood up to that and got in between you know the. new steps to the processing ships and prevented them from being able to transfer the whales on to the process instead. of being there in the small boats next to the harp warships and it's just yeah it's gary it's new friend but then again the growing pains balls to lurches physically stopping illegal fishing vessel and taking them out of the action to save the millions hundreds of thousands of lives. that we would get very very close to the wind.