getting ukraine involved in this this is exactly what i wanted to ask you to what extent do you think these nasty expulsions will cause relations between the fourteen even members and russia to further deteriorate while things are deteriorating very badly and i mean i think here this is an example of you know we've got to do something use the usual catch region after what happened in seoul is really we've got to do something we've got to tough but actually we haven't accumulated here in this country the evidence to suggest the russia is responsible there is widespread supposition that is the case however we do require evidence to see this is what we have found this is what we believe as a consequence those and we haven't done saw neither in britain or in the international body responsible for this and for their you to suggest that we have the temerity to which to create the evidence as i see you are simply no way for the stooge of light of the future. of why do you think it is interesting isn't it how slimy your members like austria for instance doesn't think that expelling diplomats

is that the right thing to do why do you think some countries are not on board with this. well they always do as always tickler so even in the days of the cold war austria are being raised in the front row always took a slightly different position and always remained open it is relationships with both sides acting as a sort of bridge again if you remember between the old soviet union and the united states and its allies so i think it has got a tradition of war independence in. terms of that i think there are voices who are concerned i think it's clear that you know not all the voice of concern our allies are friends of the of the putin but people have got some inclination that you know justice has to be seen to be done here and we do need to create the evidence and not just rush in in this sort of way of doing so and i think it would be in better to have waited for the conclusions these inquiries with britain and internationally to come up and say this is what we actually believe here is the evidence and what

we do and i have to say i think here in britain you know there is a degree of skepticism about this and there's also a degree of worry about already people who worried about this spiralling out of control it's going to unless closed down great thank you for sharing your thoughts with us. thank you for choosing r.t. international with all the latest my colleague kevin and will be with you at the top of the hour. hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered peter lavelle with the appointment of john bolton is the new national security advisor to should we expect more stupid wars of choice trump says he wants success but everything associated with bolton's name is a failure the war party is again in charge. crosstalk

in the war party i'm joined by my guest mark sloboda he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have a draw levitch he's a political analyst as well as a leading expert of the center for actual politics and of course we have dmitri bobbitt she is a political analyst with spook international right gentlemen as always crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciated john bolton two words that i never thought would be associated with a position of power again considering his legacy victor your reaction to this news as it ripples through the foreign policy establishment and what we call international diplomacy five years ago everybody would be shocked if they were told that john bolton would get the respectable position in the government together that he was fox news analyst commentator and that actually played a significant role in his new hire. truly seems to like to acquire those people

that see nice things above him on fox news or some other networks and at the same time you bought bolton is it and trump and odds on almost everything possible if you look at policy well it's certainly they're at odds with what trump in the kid he wanted his foreign policy to be when he was running his campaign now when he spoke against regime change against nation building against democracy promotion. but the trouble that we've seen in office we've seen an increasing tilt not only towards war hawks as as evidenced by the cabal of generals running the government but now right into the the laps of the neo cons and this is the neo con regime right now with pompei of the volcano and secretary of state bloody geno geno has pulled them even supposedly in the cia because of her role hands on any of the torture of detainees they call her bloody gina and now the walrus is back john

bolton the circle is one. if we. could only meet the only one to be a little more specific. but bolton really isn't a neo con and it would make him more interesting if not more terrifying is that he doesn't care about democracy he doesn't care about human rights he doesn't say he doesn't use all of the packaging for military adventures ok he believes he doesn't want to make america great again he believes in the military that's his it and he's very straightforward about it that's what makes him slightly different than his cohort go ahead oh well i just laughed he has a cold. all international war i'm into this terms to constrain american paul and of course he was the us all there is if you can i did say did the united nations i mean if anyone could explain to me the difference between no conservatives and the neo liberals i mean doesn't make any difference for a person in afghanistan or in iraq or if he's killed by

a missile that missile came from someone could just believes in american power or it came from hillary clinton who believes in american power to service all of universal libral well yes ok we're going to defrost neo liberals an economic policy that has nothing to do with foreign policy ok. but if you mean us that specifically i mean we have trump making an overture to meeting the north korean leader both and is going to advise him against that i mean is this could be the first test but i think when we started talking about this meeting proposed meeting between term. and . we said one of the things we said was that the meeting may not even take place it may be a rhetorical exercise. for various political purposes and when we talk about bolton well the were on the same wavelength and with least one issue and that's the issue of dealing with iran and bolton and. have been very aggressive because syria

and iran. he had openly advocated attacks on iran military aggression against iran months ago he said it wouldn't be it would not be illegal under international strike against north korea in fact what separated tillerson macmaster from the rest of. the military and security team was that tillerson perhaps they actually behaved that getting the us he knew and he let them go with the whole from the nuclear deal with iran would hear it to the american diplomacy in the long run because who would trust american diplomacy if when your communication could just reach that signal and then the very possibility of any kind of deal with north korea is off the table because if you make an agreement and you break it you break exactly you're not going to be yes your word is going to be trusted here mark. trump is never i mean from what we've seen of him during the campaign and his presidency he never allow us anyone to outshine him is bolton's ego too big to fit into this position does he

want to be a kissinger or brzezinski and certainly he does have an ego. but i think we actually present more of his ego he presents a larger than life figure for us then he does he always just please he is a bureaucrat he doesn't know his place he knows when to kiss who's but in order to get to literally speed and he's very has a history of night on agree that he's not a neo con i don't think that the neo cons have ever believed in democracy or promotion that was simply too much of a u.s. struggle to the point that no one that's why i don't call him a neo con because the neo cons have their propaganda spin he doesn't have any pretense about i think. he supposedly promised dropped by the c.n.n. is reporting. that he wouldn't start any new wars obama has already got nine of them to go into the bombing nine countries at least so i mean trump already inherited that but i find that extremely hard because of that and amazing i don't

you i know guys don't start the war again. george bush saying you. know when you're texas he's obviously through his career he has contempt for diplomacy and i've been saying this all along it's part of the genetic code of foreign policy right now is that you just needed to ministry bottom you don't need to have a diplomat and the kind of options that bolton is going to be giving trump. i have to believe it's going to be a reflection of his entire outlook on the world and it's a what would i think political call him you know he's a hammer in search of nails absolutely well are just picture this situation. room the negotiating room of donald trump and kim jong un and he says to kim i'm the person who just suggested killing your board and your but don't pay attention to that we're going to have a nice conversation here but you know the problem is whatever you call it liberal interventionism you know conservatism the bad thing about this ideology is that it

doesn't value in any way that lives of the people who don't agree with it you know just recently it is. because the. marketplace thirty seven people you know the. article explosion there was almost no reaction from the western media will remember how sorry you know what was was born. by that sort of military force us and you know all the hysteria about marketplaces you know being destroyed you know borders littering that for these markets the same thing happened in damascus and no one paid attention from the rebels from the refugees. from the syrians been brought up here. and i think that in many ways is that there's some kind of. ambiguity in this why from white house about syria do you think that's going to get much more focused right now that you know bolton is going to be you know pull the cia back in officially and other thing works to the new national security team in

the bush years in common. is there a common approach to iran and of course that is going to be a part of what happens in the sea and that because russia and iran are allies in their fight to stabilize here too you move to go islamist elements from syria and the united states will do the most to keep those elements in as long as possible there was a an interesting intelligence analysis in the open on a public one done in the us a couple months ago which stated that the so-called moderate opposition in this year has about a year to go so if the united states and its allies are able to put more energy into them more funds and so forth maybe a year maybe a year and a half more so they will try to use that time to destabilize here as much as possible with those resources that they still have left now one short comment about

comparisons between john bolton and kissinger and kerry kissinger and risky were known as foreign policy intellectuals john bolton is surely not he is a hardline diplomat. who like sort of the gold medal i think. it's not a word it's a rapidly running out and i simply disagree. with him but that he is a card line military stick with a aggressive diplomat who is not an academic the way that a lot of the stones were disturbed when kennedy made khrushchev a kennedy the response was negotiates what's mine is mine is what's yours is negotiable mark i want to go to you because you brought this up a number of times since the election we have the u.s. state department putting pressure on the europeans pretty germany for the. north stream to pipeline now we have the the rand deal. the europeans were being pressured to change and now it looks like the americans going to walk

away from it compare completely why would the europeans want to be involved in that i mean this is the. two example of different still pushing the division is growing and growing yeah the europeans don't like bolton and i mean they don't like his treatment of the un international law anything they're so this is actually rooted out already speaking out on the enemy's allies will grow but i don't think that concerns the us the us under you know this this new triumvirate of bolton bloody gina and pompei of the volcano will be had on the front desk has started well i think he's on his way him and kelly has got a nickname i think they're on their way out there too saying and moderate on military matters it may take six months but i think they're both gone so iran iran iran this is what bolton will push he ate it in a celebration of the terrorists former terrorists now recycled by the us they've removed their terrorist designation the m.e. came mujahedin e khalq let our next part of the program i want to ask you is this also which

against russia using a rand is a part of the equation that's part of the equation and certainly a huge suit russia simply exist resisting the united states and syria bolton is a is a cold of american supremacies exceptionalism he cannot tolerate that some democrats have suggested that bolton is too soft on russia for them which is a is a medium a has a pretty amazing but never met a in an exercise of u.s. military power or in power that he that he doesn't like hold up thought gentlemen we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion in the war party state with our. analysis shows seemed wrong. but all problems just don't hold. me we'll get to shape out just because i took it and it changed it because betrayal.

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up i'm. on. my own. i know it was i'm. welcome back to crossfire all things considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news. ok mike i want to go back to right before going to the break you were talking about bolton iran and regime change go ahead the mujahideen eke out is it is a terrorist group it was formerly formerly designated by the united states is

a terrorist group it targets iran they are they have extremely extremist views they were sheltered in iraq then the us took them under its wing after its invasion occupation of rock iraq and rehabilitated them and now they openly hold meetings and they've got a million. dollar war chest the lobbying washington's and john bolton is one of their favorite advocates he recently spoke at a gathering of the m.e. in the united states and he promised two things first he wanted to make sure that the government the iranian government that was put in place during the islamic revolution doesn't reach its fortieth birthday and also he promised them that we will celebrate two thousand and nineteen meaning him and these terrorists in tehran which you know like some kind of. again this is this pattern of regime change

i still have said it so many times so many years it's the genic genetic code of american foreign policy doesn't matter who is in office but with bolton you get it he doesn't hold any punches here picture you know united states is already chosen decided who will be ruling iran by the end of next year. amazing bulldozer to remind me of a piece from robert gates' memoirs where he talks about having a go one person victory parade on the red square in the internet you want. both of them. to come to. the national security adviser to which was. done likely just a few years ago but. government is going to be chosen by people just like before and not by the hawks in washington d.c. let's change gears here de mille it's like about what's going on in the u.k. we have with this alleged poisoning incident i would still like to see some kind of

public. evidence made to the public so we could start drawing some real solution apology because i really believe there are these dire even more hype hundred years of western europe jurisprudence ok you're innocent until proven guilty but that is different it's always different but russia of course it's your top. spectacles. and you know the u.k. because of that accident agent his name is highly likely you know like highly unlikely so i thought that was a great fall and the problem is that the e.u. believes that too because if we read the statement taken two days ago it is. the union agrees with the u.k. government excess meant that it's highly likely that the russian federation is responsible and that there is no hope where there is no possible way towards explanation we saw we stepped in and qualify it so it did it with the u.k.

no plausible alternative explanation even the holy inquisition would not do you know it's you know i have to wonder then with this conference of your european union leaders where they presented with evidence to come up with that kind of language look i doubt it you know our world perception is reality and with the four be. interaction massive campaign in the western media with the information is being flooded with into russian memes and information this state of response is to be expected because we're now you don't have to present any evidence whatsoever to have a conclusion that russia is possible for anything and that is the great danger in this that anything could happen tomorrow the next doing so not all the president and the british and they make it work a state money i think and then blame russia for you know i'm not. crazy idea came into my idea is to receive me using this to avoid bread regs that sure there's i

think there is a whole host of of domestic uses whether that is the actual reason that this has occurred or whether she simply using going on to the scene she's distracting from bragg's it's not going well the country half the country never wanted it and the negotiations are going well for her plus four more dangerous because of all of this you have this leftist labor leader who has resisted all attempts by new labour's elite to overthrow him who would dramatically shift the united kingdom's foreign and possibly much of its domestic policy as well and this seems tailor made we have seen the propaganda photo shops from from that the british propaganda corporate i mean british broadcasting corporation. in order to defame. jeremy corbyn and present him as some kind of russian agents or he's not a tells me i want to say this to all of you that this is desperation this is a mode of desperation no evidence is provided there is no

interest in finding the truth because the truth has already been established because what russia did it here i mean this is shows a level of desperation of the political elites that they will grab on to anything good but the victim of this desperation is. their relationship between russia and europe and the russian and the rest of the west because we are seeing their idea more than a dozen countries is our country pleating exposed and diplomats next week in the united states the national security council has presented its recommendations to the by the expelling dozens of russian diplomats from washington d.c. and of course if that happens this monday. tell you. about your intelligence agency in moscow you were there for a guy you know you know in russia a lot of people had this perception that the united states is bad it makes you want

to behave badly towards russia well at least we cut short the e.u. is bad enough when it's all they can do it and let me tell you you know from history all the disasters things that europe that did were done collectively look the napoleonic wars to invasions of russia. or was this great as they were all done collectively so when they say you know that we need a strong collective action one script okies there to remind me of that watched pages in european history court inquisition was done collectively to look at the e.u. of course please part of getting them all together getting the european powers together and forcing them to make decisions that they're frequently not the international sanctions for of course if we talk about specific european countries a number of european countries are not interested in worsening relations with russia it's not interested in traditional distinctions are you know when push comes to shove. how many how many countries would you because of course for example i

mean easiest one maybe five or six but it's not there you just like when it's actually just like i suppose lots of the differences are being real and you've seen a lot of statements micron evidently initially resisted this whole thing saying that there had to be. then turned around the next day when the screws mirrors what i have known for are the german foreign minister. is on record saying that this is a bilateral issue it's not an easy you issue it's something for britain and russia to ruling out because it is easier to get their eggs in the e.u. general i want to talk about a very important topic here we have a massive budget passed and signed into law in the united states a huge military budget here. they make you what is this the mantra is that obama degraded the military i'm sure all those countries that were bombed by the united states would agree with that statement here but now this is going to be a massive build up as usual the pentagon doesn't usually spend very well but it's important at the same time to our viewers should know is that russia has decided

over the next five years to decrease military spending well russia is. going to get that frontally russia understands that it does not need to keep one military presence around the world in dozens and dozens of countries like the united states does russia does not have. world i mean the nation or being a single. russia has no such more chips so it doesn't have to unlike the united states it doesn't have to spend. trillions and trillions of dollars and billions of. debt. so russia understands that to give a semantical answers to. the american threats that that is what it does it doesn't even says a good often yes it a lot of ways this is simply because russia does have very limited geopolitical

horizons and uses words military it's primarily defensive with some a limited role for the interventions like we've seen in russia in defense of the syrian government in syria putin set out a program putin and the russian defense minister should we go. set out a program of modernization and that modernization has largely been achieved now that it has been achieved russia has the luxury to sit back and say we've met our purposes we can sit back and put some more on domestic spending and we'll reduce military spending down to three percent of g.d.p. so continuing the reform girls are still to a few figures here right now right now russia spending one is defense in excess of five percent of the g.d.p. and all of them came to this for the presidency agreed that it was too much you know we need to cut it and when did decide to cut it off we want the capacity to hit the united states not by many selves three or four would be enough you know

because russia doesn't want to invade it you want it works to dissuade just isn't right i don't want to have own arms right as it were right after russia got the capacity to neutralize the. military government executives to or rather the territories where you know a cold war saying mania maybe this so what we don't want to keep going to see just two or three it would be enough because we are not going to keep them we don't want to keep them we want security and not diminution forty seconds. i think that what this in the case first of all it's being read as russia trying to step back from an arms race again like i said i think this has already been planned russia never really wanted in arms race it has been pushed to this now that it has recovered its strategic deterrent it sees the strategic balance returned with

american a mystic a ballistic missile defense at least for the time being having neutralized russia is confident it can return the priorities the biggest priority that putin laid out is education science and technology russia wants to avoid a dorms race because he doesn't want to be outspent so why get into a competition where you can't win. russia is not in a competition with the united states russia is simply trying to provide security for its citizens and to take away opportunities for the united states to take it without that he spoke all of the great powers are in competition so i get home and i'm going to have not going to run out of time many thanks my guest here in moscow this is the in of our broadcast segments stay with us for the extended version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember across.

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