we can see the emergency teams working there took a little bit of time for them to get in on sunday evening as the as they flames this smoke was just so bad it took some time for them to come in and we also discussed the situation with a civil engineering expert he is of the belief that camera of a blaze shows systematic problems with fire safety in shopping malls. doesn't match. most well read it was a problem we did building call much longer and it was a problem with that material that we have used over there and for pretty clearly the areas that the kids out there really need to have this repercussion system and the fire exit don't do that because kids are not operating like this is a systems well you could have regulation on the books but that it comes with the enforcement go through your lation might come flying regulation this is where the disparity happens. but residents of cameras have organized

a vigil to commemorate the victims of the transient people pay their respects something memorial right throughout the night a lot of flowers a lot of candles and toys as well being laid there in the camera. we also saw yesterday and indeed on sunday evening queues of people i say clinics poly clinics hospitals willing to give blood for those injured in the blaze lots more help coming into the city as well we've just heard the russian red cross is heavily engaged in raising funds for those in need as a result of the tragedy. yesterday the russian red cross announced a fundraiser to help those affected by the incident people have responded extremely well they are not indifferent to the saffron of others as of today we've raised over fourteen million rubles from all over russia and also from abroad to greatly think those who've contributed. ok morocco's the it is sitting in well we've just

been watching throughout the day we saw the pictures of the vigil there's a rally ongoing people demanding what they see as more information that authorities are giving them the authorities themselves saying listen the pictures from the scene there's so much devastation there it's so difficult to tell how many people are dead how many people are injured because there are rescue still working after scene it goes back to the question but why this occurred why are we seeing the scenes that we're seeing well the foot first first of all the you know all the anguish all the very people you have three factions in this as a pleasant as it is to talk about this now but it must be said this is the way i see it you have the locals people in kim kim of who wants accountability who want information who want to be notified to know what is going on to be kept abreast of all the developments perhaps and realistically given the

scope and the size of this tragedy but they need information to fill this void to help from heal the trauma at least. applied first aid to it you know given that it's so early on in the wide wide open you have the locals you have local officials who understand that this is it this is zero day there are going to be there is going to be you know a price to pay for this with the everybody involved given given how many people have died given how huge of a tragedy this is there understand that there is going to be responsibility the people are going to be held accountable and they're trying to protect themselves trying to protect themselves perhaps cocooning themselves away. not talking to the locals understating what is going on that is local officials and you have the central government which is come there. through for himself and

a triumphant now establish order and to to give the people information they want and to account to to hold accountable the local officials who are trying to protect themselves you have these three factions and it isn't it isn't nice pleasant to see pleasant to watch as it is now with vladimir putin was very direct there was no. you know there's there's no gentle way of going about this he said this is criminal negligence he said that this is carelessness this has led to the deaths of so many people corruption bribes for permits this is all part of this is all part of what would cause this fact we have. we have a sound bite i'm glad we're putin saying that those responsible will be held accountable. but you don't outnumber them but i did actually i didn't

hear anybody check in with you to record with an intercept and i'm assuming you didn't feel. particular with discipline which was what you know you wish me luck with this particular snit was going to focus on the president who for sure there's been some news. vladimir putin was briefed about what happened and so far from that brief was where we have our picture of what is going on they said that the fire was the fire began either as a result of an electrical malfunction faulty wiring perhaps a short circuit or as an open fire so it was sent it was sent by someone somebody took a lighter matches to something. that is less likely than the first version an electrical malfunction at that point once the fire took old everything that could go wrong

went wrong we're talking about a fire alarm system that was either broken all switched off and the had been so since the nineteenth for more than a week a new body nobody fixed it we know that there was a backup alarm system by which security at the shopping center had to press a button and people would be warned that something was going on to leave to evacuate nobody pressed the button for whatever reason nobody pressed that in the first warning people had that something was wrong is when they saw the flames or more likely a huge wall of smoke rushing towards them because the smoke travels very quickly very quickly it is very dense and it is like a hammer heating you in the face there if you don't survive for a long time. inside inside that smoke it is incredibly taxing on the human organism when you paint that picture of the dark smoke the plumes and margin

already being in a dark cinema or shows. it adds to the agony of this doesn't it's even worse because the doors all the doors inside the fire exits as well as the cinema itself the screen rooms with all the people in their. children many of them there's a hard to ensure in school children where there are a lot of kids you know exactly from from what we've heard to the screams were locked the doors were shut. usually you have someone sitting at the door they let people in they show their tickets they come in and that person continues to sit there to watch you know make sure that nobody without a ticket googs it what happened in this case is that whoever was on the door they let everyone in the film start that they shut the door they locked the door with all the people in there and they left the fire begins the room starts filling up with smoke everybody's terrified kids start calling their families their parents

their fathers their mothers saying please come rescue us help us where suffocating we're dying and nobody comes to ordinance they shout eventually you have kids kids who understand that they're going to die and they're calling their mothers for a final farewell they're saying i love you i mean that is absolutely horrific and that is why you have those hundreds of people out in care of right now demanding answers demanding accountability you can you can understand why they're so enraged the other issue is of course many of those kids were left there by their parents and you know it's nothing unusual in many places in the world people come to a shopping center shopping mall whatever they leave their kids with all the siblings but in this case you had so many kids that had been left there and their parents are gone off to do whatever it is that they wanted to do to shop or to go to work what whatever but now we're in

a situation where sixty four have officially been declared. killed as a result of this fire the smoke six still missing officially five people have been arrested detained being questioned now for their roles for their. roles in all in this in this tragedy but we expect we expect there to be more arrests more with how. putin the self promising but heads will roll that you know which is just as an anecdote he said. that the surly he said speaking to relatives speaking to people who had lost loved ones they tell you things that make you want to cry than an absolutely devastating to hear when he says i'm talking to you to officials and you tell it in a timely different where you paint a different picture presumably trying to cover their hides to protect themselves

from from the for that so we expect there to be. further developments further developments high profile developments more arrests. as this investigation continues and we must wait it is it is nice to hear but we mice must wait we must wait for investigators to sift through the wreckage to the fide everything they need and to establish culpability you earlier give us a sense of the of the three human sides of what occurred here with their with some of the children giving an example of the school children their teacher coming into the city maybe a trip that they've been planning for weeks let's go take a look at the package earlier which he put together on the stories of some of the people affected. for rural youngsters a visit to the big city is always an adventure these twelve year old classmates went to town and they went bowling ice skating to the cinema it would be their

last adventure sleeping on. this. committee are. dozens and dozens dead but they aren't just numbers they all had names lives all the compensation in the world won't cover their family's loss especially given that so many of the victims were children masha was there with her grandmother and she'll need turned ten last week and posted this photo in line exactly a decade is all she got in this world. both she and her grandmother perished. tiana an english teacher she was there with her daughter who survived that got out of the building before hearing that others was still trapped

she went to help rescue who she could strangers but she never came back out you were the best teacher in the world right a former students you didn't deserve this we will all remember you stood up to it to you in this to do. this what you did. little rats aboard pictured here with his mom and dad she wasn't with them but imagine her pain when she had to identify the bodies of her child and husband or even surviving is easy. some say he jumped others that his father threw him out of the window in a desperate effort to save his little boy before succumbing to the smoke him self

we won't know until say gave weeks up from his coma a load his parents and little sister. there are too many to mention here but the point is made a list of names is one thing but it's only when you get to know them just a little that the depth of this tragedy really hits you. ok igor off joins us live on the program again from camera for igor one of the frustrations that we're hearing from people on the streets there is nothing one third loved ones back they want their bodies to mourn of course in a lot of cases that's difficult to do because rescuers are still sifting through the remains as gruesome as terrible as that sign's you've been talking you've been speaking to people who actually have seen the morgue the situation as it stands there is that correct. yes you know this is very correct well before we

get to that i should say that the city is hurt and it is hurt badly so many people have decided to show up to gather for this to radically organized meeting only really getting reports that and it looks like thousands of people have shown up and those who couldn't because they had work they had errands to run they drive by they roll down their windows. in support of those who have come here and what people want they want on says first and foremost and there's a spirit here everyone we've been talking to from taxi drivers to bystanders to those who lay flowers at the vigil they believe. the local authorities could be lowering down the actual number of those who died in the inferno own sunday the official number stands at sixty four but here people believe that as many as three

hundred people may have died but the authorities are trying to wash it down so to speak now right now i can have one of the one of those members one of the people who decided to show up to this meeting today with me. and we can talk to her and gather her reaction that you would see going on. because it. i spoke with you i shared about you motors in your stores and of us likely to see it to work in their youth why did you decide to come while you're here i was. motivated by the fact that i didn't want to stay home reading the carmine's couldn't. i couldn't do that i wanted to go and do something to do to help. not just monitors through the media. not to disseminate any rumors we had the information that people. are gathering here is it

a demonstration or not i don't know i don't care about the way he did anyone calls it but we are here to get answers. the real answer that's what we want. you said that you work to the markets all the gossips about that which are the toll rising as high as three hard worker and five hundred had some say more so you were at the mall what can you say about all those rumors i was at one of the morgues. ok did at one of the grass care thirty seven building number thirty seven's all of that sixty seven bodies sixty four of them are from this is even near vision. three people they have nothing to do with that tragedy. sixty four people are currently there that mark. this one markets sixty four people that's what i can say

many of them are children this so why them are almost there and this figure is three hardwick people or more of the you have seen their facial lists of people diseased and we heard one of the officials say that those who still cannot find their relatives should step forward take a step forward should come up and say that we have a very small city indeed. everyone. has some friends and relatives going to some where at the hospital some have asked us to various other lists but the other this night and they from asia is being spread around by the emergency services personnel some of them say sixty four hours not real three hundred which is the real figure so you see people just pass that from mouth to mouth. mass media come up with. screen

shots of massacres. people. write to their families sixty four is not the real figure three hundred fifty is a toll we have heard of and four hundred and fifty that's all in the internet being disseminated circulated very very actively register and that many of you dear are so fake they're not from here they're being disseminated just. claims that they have to deal with this fire that blaze. some try to. fly. right now as to carmen's. and i couldn't. bear it any longer i decided to come here personally to see what is happening. right in front of the city. hall we have. to go on the stage with

a microphone that everyone can and say did you try to come up and say what you think would be into the market and i'm on more place. and we're here just. for that the mayor wanted to take people just ordinary people that form a group and drive that group to one of the mobs so that in the hospital there are things some people heard us some people started to. look at the might say that we were bribed we were being what ever. i hope that my words hurt at least some of the people but those i'm communicating i'm trying to reach out to explain them that's that's the real figure but it's happening in fact i don't know what i'm not aware of what is happening right now thank you for giving your common psyche for your time.

well so this this this thing about three hundred people about local authorities potentially lowering down the number of people a parish in the inferno is not the only thing that has driven all of these people here they also want answers as to how this tragedy was even possible in the first place because of the fire they're asking questions like why he wasn't there or for a fire alarm why did people have to learn about the about the starting blaze by the smell of the smoke or why did security guards actually had to alert them why you were there no sprinklers and how come and how come of that fire escapes the very paths that were supposed to lead people to safety were blocked were logged and people had to break down doors that people had to actually jump out of the windows trying to save their lives they want they want answers to all of these questions and they are saying that very often for people for survivors it was difficult in

some inside because security guards in representatives of officials there weren't really helping have a listen. i ran upstairs cinema stuff didn't let me see through they pushed me my daughter asked me why no one was saving her i asked if i meant to do something but he just stared. around two thirty firemen stood there do nothing in front of the door my daughter saw me that she loved me and that she was suffocating i told her to get down on the floor and by. not to. the children our dear it isn't a matter of how many are dead now unless we change something hundreds of others could die no matter how long this turn here no matter how loud we shout no one will hear us.

landed here in camera morning you laid flowers to the vigil and he spoke to some of the citizens to comfort them in the moment of their loss he called what happened the shopping mall on sunday it was sort of criminal negligence he said this wasn't a war so people weren't supposed to die in this place it was supposed to be a place specifically designed to lead people quickly away if any emergency should arise and clearly that was not the case so he promised justice he promised that everyone responsible will be punished as they deserve and the russian investigative committee is looking into the tragedy on its side they have detained five people in connection with this no charges have been pressed yet but we are questioning five people including the owner of the shopping mall and the fire safety chief there have also detained one of the security guards because they believe it was him who

disabled who actually shut down the fire prevention system and that was the reason why it didn't work now we're here standing by in camera to bring you all the latest from this gathering to gauge reaction and to get the atmosphere as well as follow the investigation of course. live from camera and giving us really just a good example of what is happening there a lot more people behind you in the coming hours you know what is at four o'clock there coming up to four o'clock a lot of people just leaving work properly joining the crowds there thank you very much for he course of the. yes so let's. just sum up what we actually know in terms of the figures the toll that's been given art sixty four people are officially dead following sunday's muss of fire in the entertainment complex in the siberian city were scores of people injured went to hospital some are in a critical condition we know thankfully that some of them were helped by people

giving blood at local clinics and hospitals and some of them were able to leave but the situation we have now are sixty four people dead many of them children the figures are not exact specht we do know that in the coming not exactly sure within the next hour i hope there will be a media conference live from the morgue that igor was just speaking about giving us you would hope a sense of more exactitude that's what people are out in the streets to find out what is helping perhaps to their loved ones. the charred remains on the right of your screen you're looking at rescuers still taking people out still working right throughout the night throughout the day trying to get a sense of the of the exact detail use that word again because that's what it is people want and they want facts in terms of the actual size of what has occurred here the blaze in camera has been called one of the deadliest in russia in the past

one hundred years but let's have a look at the timeline of how this tragedy actually unfolded on sunday. i'm. going to ask bob. good to see. you cause if you feel.

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headline stories this hour anger is running high in the russian city of camera. shopping mall killed sixty four people including many children. crowds are gathering at the headquarters of the regional government demanding justice for the . i ran upstairs to my stuff didn't let me through the push me my daughter asked me why no one even asked the prime minister something. good news in the siberian city to pay his respects to those killed in the deadly fire he's promised that those responsible will face justice.