three hundred and twenty three million people it's time to call out wiki leaks for what it really is a non-state hostile intelligence service up and abetted by state actors like russia some might argue that isn't just publishing off cables has contributed to international security by revealing nato war crimes but that belief appears not to be shared by the british crown prosecution service which decides on court action in the name of the queen fighting discredited rape allegations the son as has not until this week been able to determine just how politicized his case is been because the c.b.s. allegedly destroyed information british prosecutors have reportedly admitted deleting e-mail exchanges with the swedish counterparts regarding the case of wiki leaks founder julian assange and this happened back in two thousand and fourteen but was it twenty fourteen now confidential e-mails show that swedish prosecutors attempted to drop extradition proceedings against julian assange as much earlier and who is the boss of the c.b.s. in twenty thirteen none other than jeremy corbin's current shadow brecht's at

secretary starmer here he is talking generally about his role in extradition one in a scientist case which seems more and more to be arguably political we don't use. these two functions and they're entirely separate now from legal. yes sr was his file. here's the official request here's the full monty as we would like to conduct the extradition proceedings on our behalf with. the police. but we can't use a republican they're. going to pass it over to the r t c where they would not. really because when that man corbin's current shadow directorate secretary was in charge e-mails apparently showed that the country in question sweden was eager to drop the case later even discredited by the un not only that but a lawyer working for care stoma urge sweden don't you dare get a cold. phaeton arguably even more damning for k.s.

drama it is simply amazing how much work this case is generating it sometimes seems like an industry please do not think this case is being dealt with as just another extradition aside would certainly maintain this was not just another extradition in fact for him this whole thing is a smokescreen for the usa to destroy we keep leaks because of war crime revelations to which side with iran lifelong critic of us foreign policy jeremy corbyn may have now promoted him but in twenty sixteen his star mysore to destroy german corbin's leadership of the labor party he resigned advising that corbin could not lead an effective opposition today he has the complex job of shadow rex at secretary well here starmer also voted against an investigation into the iraq war and britain fifteen years ago tomorrow saw its biggest ever demonstration against that labor government mandated war widely seen as illegal against that u.k. decision which to permanent u.n. security council members china and russia and the russian ambassador to britain

joins me now ambassador thanks for coming on the show tourism is new defense secretary let's get straight to it gavin williamson says that your child getting u.k. infrastructure threatening the lives of thousands of british subjects why are you doing that well we're not going to target the british infrastructure this is absolutely irresponsible statement of the minister of defense so everything what is happening to do most of the british media this is the time of the getting money for the budget for the military budget and that's why i might at least my explanation is that the minister of defense wants to put more money and that's why you have to show the threat so the most convenient threat of course is russia would trust our famous tweeter because you know we've got so many lives in responses to this statement and the people are not taking this seriously so do we. what if they're

russian boats as the british media say which of those is being accused of in influencing our breaks the dreaded render very good english language but i think this is the people because you know in most of the cases you know we see even the. letters in the newspapers i'm quite sure that in the newspapers you don't have boats again some people might go to come across the russian embassy in london's account but more generally is there a cyber war being conducted from moscow against nature palace no and i'll tell you why because there are no facts. and what is interesting of course you read a lot of things in the newspapers but boris johnson was in moscow that was on the twenty second of december and. we discussed this problem that was raised but i love rove he said mr secretary you don't have any effect we hear just the statements in the british press which are very let's say they're not proved by anything why don't we have the consultations between our specialists russian british and if you have

any facts you know if you have something in your hands please present it to us and the professionals could sit down talk about the sources about the proof and you know what what was the response was from boris johnson's into his to no. good question you know if you don't have anything. of course. you can expect this kind of response ok you deny to cyber war what about actual war not a week appears to go by without. the usual mainstream sources b.b.c. sky news channel four news suggesting that your military is invading or he's threatening to invade our airspace and our waterways first of all only british soldiers are standing on our borders this is in the store eight hundred british soldiers located there it's not russian soldiers on the border with scotland or england this is the british soldiers on the border of russia this is first. second

i think that. all this legations about the interference into the brits or sky is you know in the zone of the british interests they're not supporting by any fact russians aircraft are flying in international airspace they never cross the air spoiler space over britain so that's why we allowed like anybody else to fly in the international airspace. ok but then the overriding context of this obviously is the british government's attitude that you have invaded crimea. a view as usual going to say you did not invade crimea you know what we did we supported the people of crimea because you know whence that once there was a coup in kiev. and the legitimate president unocal which was removed by the regime of poroshenko and the government of the winners of the call it the people in

premier decided to have a referendum and so they voted ninety seven percent voted in favor of independence crimea because the they were freed of the changes that took place in kiev and later on very soon they decided to ask in other if around them to join russia and this is you know how how the creamier became part of russia is a point made repeatedly by your foreign minister as well but then are you seriously saying that nato battle groups now as you mentioned on a stone in poland in lithuania latvia they're wasting their time and including british troops they're just wasting their time on your borders and spending money but you're not denying that vladimir putin is a militaristic leader who is looking for expansionism of a russian federation he has expanded the russian federation you know like this deals because. there is a very good institute international institute of strategic studies which is based

in london and they just released a report and if you look at that you know about the military budgets you will find that the budget of russia one year is forty six billion dollars the budget of the u.k. is fifty two billion dollars so the british are spending more than we're doing and the budget of the united states military budget for one year it's seven hundred billion dollars it means they're beholden. nato spends almost a trillion against forty six billion dollars so roughly twenty times more so make your own conclusions another context of this course is what we're hearing about for the united states and rex tillerson this existence as you will be meddling with us but you already have plans for the twenty twenty elections in the united states and of course we here in british media repeatedly that you. meddled

and i suppose i can give you that one they haven't got proof of that the rx address for and i mean what do you think of it when the us secretary of state says you have plans well i'll tell you first of all the run no effect that's exactly what my minister said several times to rex tillerson you know if you have something please present it so for no effects were presented but there was a quite an interesting story you know with the social media you remember that the facebook was asked how much money the russian side or the russian companies you know spain spend on so-called you know breaks to complain and it was almost peanuts you to keep them so they fishel and so worse and that was published in the british newspaper zero and you have this memory serves in between are almost. the same answer so basically from my point of view this is just the complaint which is not supported by any evidence ok as well as all of that on mainstream

channels the same data b.b.c. channel four news group sky news we are told repeatedly that your country is currently murdering hundreds of civilians in syria using warplanes and we have white helmets footage which is broadcast that appear to prove that you are engaged in a very these contravening any kind of principles of war we don't trust the word helmets because first this is. financed by the british government is clear this is just a fact of law. so they're biased in this case this is first and their participation in some other places you know where allegedly was used the chemical weapons was put on the question by the feds and. they say they were participating in so many operations which were parishioners that were stage that we don't have in you trust . to the white helmets and basically the whole information that they're presenting

has nothing to do with the reality we're waiting to statements from the white helmets and the foreign office but. why on earth would the british government want to fund a proxy guerrilla force and i know there have been allegations that they are cooperating with al nusra and you are going to what would be in the british interest to do that and then forge information that the russian military were engaged in atrocities it's a question to the british government you know the only thing that i want to say is that there were quite an interesting discussion you know debates in the in the parliament and the british government was ask you know how was two hundred million spent for so-called moderate opposition and so on they could justify only forty eight million all the rest they couldn't even find the answer how this money was spent and i'll tell you that a lot of m.p.'s were surprise and we were surprised but of that money went to the white helmets where the other one. so that's the question to the government on this the question was posed by the m.p.

you know by the russians so make your own conclusions i know it's really late breaking news a bit. at the ministry of defense in russia and this all move that appears to say they received a call that the white helmets might be involved in perhaps a future chemical attack anything on that here in the i don't know i don't have any information but that would be like saying a british funded agency was threatening a chemical attack in syria well i'll tell you but a listen the you know to the commands of the foreign office they have very quick on some comments russian ambassador thank you more from the ambassador after the break plus a look at the papers with associate fellow chatham house professor matthew goodwin that's all coming up and bob do you have going on the ground. then what about recommending what i call go out. or you will pull you out of the.

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welcome back we're still here with the russian ambassador to britain alexander of nko another context to all of this is the upcoming russian presidential elections and it's particularly liberal outlets so-called liberal out this like the guardian i think the assistant editor for the guardian simon tisdall saying the u.k. should be outraged by russia because of the treatment of opposition leader and the valmy that he cannot run against vladimir putin what do you think about this growing sense in britain as we approach the recent russian presidential elections that you know really democracy upstate and your not allowing people to run it's

very interesting you know like the british media they always say hope truth because you know work in every country we have all role rules and we have a constitution so basically anybody in the in the russia could run for the president lee presidency but be one of the conditions you shouldn't have a criminal record. and nobody has this. criminal record at least two of them how they he can run for the president once you have this big wrong so this is the simple answer but it's not you will never read it in the any british newspaper that he has he had a criminal record so this is under the constitution he cannot simply run for the presidency that's it there are so many articles which is written you know in the u.k. and unfortunately all of them are very negative to putin i didn't read any single article which is more or less even neutral and from my point of view it's sort of we have been meddling you know to the to the elections because you know it's just.

to present the very negative information of one candidates it's not a fair game the british government regulating the russian snowbird you go with them talking about the media freedom free and independent i didn't say about the bridges go i have to ask you have in britain very much still involved in the syria campaign what was your reaction when you heard these reports that you came back u.s. warplanes wiped out perhaps one hundred. syrian forces fighting isis to have in syria the major problem that we have with the british side is that the british. steel hold in the position that assad must go. and from my point of youth an acceptable because in a best democratic traditions of the west this is the people of syria should decide you know whether who is going to be the president so basically we're trying to convince our british. colleagues and the portman's you know just look at this

you know from different points of view and but as far as i know the foreign office didn't change its position you know sometimes it sounds a little bit louder sometimes you know less loud but the core of that position is the same so basically. is this some kind of a follow up of that approach is what what what you hear today in the british press you know in the statements of the british government i know that the russian president appears to have a cold according to british media sources that are whether you can confirm that or not he has met with the palestinian president what do you think of what the palestinians are saying that the united states cannot at all be an honest broker rule russia be taking a bigger. space in this so-called peace process well i understand the palestinians because you know when when when the u.s. decided to acknowledge the jerusalem is the capital.

of israel so that was very one sided approach so basically and what about the two state solution where the police sting ins and in a police to us today they believe that the united states simply don't take into account their position so i fully understand you know what they feel and from that point of view of course from my point of view that the u.s. should have a little bit more balance position on that subject could we see a most because summit well we're always open to you know for the conversations and the proposal to held a meeting between the israel. it's in the police genius in moscow it is on the table we will behave you to be honest brokers but it's up to the two sides i mean a lot of people are a political and or at least apathetic about politics but they are probably watching the winter games in korea only pleased to watch the two koreas botching in unison

at the opening ceremony what does it make you feel as the russian ambassador representing a country where so many of your athletes on t.v. able to compete well it's a for me it's a p.d.f. but you know i always look at the positive side and the positive side is that first of all the russian athletes. could show that they're the best and probably you know whether there is cases which were fabricated by some people you know in the olympic movement. could be just. this will be another but you need to show that we're the best and. the olympics is politicizes they've been in previous decades yes i think so i think so because the whole the whole story would be with the docking with the with everything would happen you know with the russian team is just exactly be the example of the political it is a shame because you're a member there was and there was a decision of the court in lasagna and you know

a lot of russian police were lowered to participate the decision of the olympic committee not to listen to the decision of the court that was a very strong and political move from my point of view and sad to the united states will be there could be to the fee for world cup soccer tournament we would welcome everybody who are qualified. thank you. for joining me now to go through some of the week's headlines is author professor matthew goodwin he's a senior fellow with the u.k. and russia back to chat about think tank amongst others and he's a former member of the u.k.'s working group on anti muslim hatred his most. book brix it's why britain voted to leave european union is out now matthew thanks for coming on i know for exactly boris johnson giving a speech today on brics it what is this first headline let's go straight to it yes absolutely this is george soros i want buffed out of politics well i think there's

been a vigorous debate in the last week in british politics lots of commentators columnists saying that they feel that this is interference from abroad and they have been charges of anti-semitism and all kinds of things being floated around social media i think the end of the day this boils down to a sense that among leaders at least this is somebody from outside of britain interfering in a domestic debate like barack obama who famously. with the funny thing about the obama debate is i'm pretty convinced that actually backfired i think if you look at the leave standing in the opinion polls at the time i think obama hurt or maim rather than they helped remains you think george soros might do the same with all this money being poured in and their flags outside the goldmans every every day for remain the same people who go you know that's why we want us over here back my general view on this is that remain has not learned the lesson of what happened during the referendum and i think if you look at how these types of stories are

reaching ordinary british voters i think that the big gamble for remain is going for that second referendum and the last thing they should be doing is courting outside influence that's my my personal view because if we have that second referendum make no mistake they lose again it's over for a whole generation of people going to say it's over for a long time back in june and then there will be sixteen let's go to the next story people to criticize or is often being accused ready seven days of let's go do what is real and these images u.k. fascists modeled on jihad these are prepared to kill say campaigners in this action . he brings off. it is rooted in a lot of my earlier research actually which is looking at the potential for violence among far activists in the u.k. so you're the expert on it as it were hoping not to hate getting a lot of criticism from the right saying this is a far left group we should we listening to them because we tend to think of

terrorists could be islamists people returning from for moore's overseas what is the nature of the fascist threat here in britain this picture national action this is the first group to be prescribe to many years in britain. the murder of gerry cox the labor m.p. of course which is very much in people's memories but also we forget you know since nine eleven we've talked endlessly about religious extremism we forget it early in the sixty's in the seventy's in the early eighty's we forget things like timothy mcveigh knew us right wing terrorism has always bob would under the surface and open was much of that was in the united states a pretty nice razor has a specific issue and if you compare the number of jihad the type islam they stop attacks versus right wing extremist or white supremacist attacks you know it is a far more mixed picture than what you might believe for you to read the latest headlines so i think this is a very real story and one my take on this at least is the government is not

investing in countering all forms of extremism it's had ten fifteen years to really invest in this i was i was a member of the government and muslim hatred was a very and you well i was because i felt that they were not taking extremism in all of its forms seriously enough and they were not embraced meaning that it was is because we can see the effects of islam is terror more easily on the street i think i think there's a sense that integration is difficult and countering the violent end is easier through the security services at it through the police at it but but. countering nonviolent extremism is much harder and i just felt that there was there were not enough resources being thrown into that and there was not enough. engagement with researchers and you know the social science community this is a lie be sure it'll be last week violent attacks against migrants you know

by somebody who was affiliated to rightly extremist groups well that's certainly not the way the mainstream media are looking at it is regards the main agenda in this country another threat of fascism the threat of oxfam let's go to the deed. so if the government doesn't cut funding to oxfam nothing will change says the independent pretty harsh or at least one columnist sean o'grady i mean come on i mean i was on this show the other week talking to us about the inequalities of western capitalism the fact that capitalism is not benefiting the poorest surprise surprise we get an old old story arguably about sex workers and the use of oxfam staff and a lack of management i think what this is tapping into is a sense among the to be those on the right of british politics that too much international aid is being sent over to groups that are largely not very

transparent or perhaps i'm accountable and there's a sense that we need a greater level of scrutiny to safeguarding and things like that and so you seem pretty patella people on the right of the conservatives saying actually enough is enough we need to clamp down and this is a very lively debate within the conservative party although people are going to be on the left to talk about whether it is being used geopolitically rather than charitably which is another another debate that's going to this now from the express yeah so this is always planned to scrap tried and pull the u.k. out of nato were viewed in a somewhat sensationalist you might suggest a new book. if i mean he in the bus you know on live t.v. you read in a book or these pages wrote a book over cool but you're never going to underestimate him i mean i underestimated call him by one point eight percentage points i might point out that i also said kobe would lose the last general election and he lost the last general election but the issue here i think is this is what i think is going to

characterize this parliament until two thousand and twenty two if we don't have an early election which is much greater scrutiny of what germany called in believes there is a sense i talked to senior conservatives quite regularly and there is a belief that if they put corbin under enough scrutiny that they will somehow swing the next election because they believe the next election will not be like twenty seventeen when voters thought he's a dead duck there's no chance he can win the next election i think now conservatives according to the idea that actually if they push him hard enough they put him under enough scrutiny he may resume the goodwin thank you. hope you enjoyed that episode of going underground for my latest season will be back on the eleventh of april for a brand new season of going underground but you can still keep in touch with us while we're away on facebook twitter and instagram so users.

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