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hello and welcome to cross talk or all things are considered i'm peter lavelle says he wants to get out of syria apparently not everyone in his administration got that memo also the latest twists and turns in the alleged poisoning controversy in the u.k. and r t is again being targeted. cross talking some real news i'm joined by my guest mark sloboda he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have victrola which he is a political analyst as well as a leading expert at the center for actual politics and we have dmitri bob h.

he's a political analyst with nick international right gentlemen as always crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in here in time any time you want and i always appreciate mark let me go to you first here we have president donald trump saying that it's essentially time for the united states to get out of syria kind of hearkening back to the old campaign days but apparently as i said in my introduction not everybody got that memo in the administration what's going on here will be coming out of syria like very soon. let the other people take care of it now we got to get back to our country where we belong where we want to be the that was that was the trump that i remember from the campaign now if people voted for the work too well i don't know if they voted on syria and foreign policy but that that is what his foreign policy platform was at the time now this was a media only met ok. cross the press led by the washington post the new york times but even from people within his own administration really trying to walk that back

right there like did you did you check that in with mad dog mad dog to prove that that message mr trump that had like what does this tell us about his administration though because there doesn't seem to be any quarter needed policy there seems to be no timeline as well so i mean is this you know something that trump just says because it was like at a rally ok to to energize the base because this is a kind of a test of who's running foreign policy victory but eat my lips no new taxes george bush sr during good republican convention one of the first things he did as president was he had raised taxes for the american taxpayers politicians say i do not have sexual rules. and. you know. shortly what we did was he said something that was not true the united states is

not planning to get out of syria very soon or soon or in the long term perspective the united states plans to stay in syria as long as possible even if the president of the united states doesn't agree that's when the president of the nation he doesn't say so but most likely he didn't say he was for you need a reason reason why we're doing this because i think it's a litmus test of if there's a real disconnect in words and in policy and apparently there is. basically i was asked to comment on this by al-jazeera and they told me it's not like in russia where the president says something he means it it's a democratic country you know i said yes. you know democracy i don't know about that deep state but i do always you rocks it and according to that i do always hear the united states and the e.u. should never never consent. they cannot retreat the problem with this ideology it can only move forward it can only test whether or not to create one of the

interesting things more we have john bolton coming in and i think we all know he's long history of blunders and failed policies but he is a big booster for interventionism i mean he essentially is associated with it he'll want to stay in syria so i'm day one north korea and syria are going to be on the table here here's in they say they agree on a lot of things i actually think they just agree on a lot of things yeah i think john bolton probably did a face by moment where when he heard trump say this in question exactly what he was walking into the one of the lines out of the associated press story on this was alarm bells went off across the state department and the pentagon again showing that trump is obviously not on the same foreign policy and military page in the pages of the washington post our favorite neo con josh rogin you know that the mouthpiece whenever the security state wants to say something he wrote an article under the title in syria we took the oil now trump wants to give it to you not to

the syrian government but to iran this is the specter we've all talked about this all the neocons tried to shift the goalpost with trump to raise the specter of iran because of the hard on in the industry that in this is what's going to happen this is what's going to happen is that you know because apparently trump and bolton on the same page when it comes to iran this is how he's going to convince trump. his syria policy has to be an extension of the policy on iran and that's how it's going to play out of course but it is hard to be of that thomas words were. to start with he probably did not mean one single word but what he said about getting out of here very soon he has proved himself to be a president who says promises a lot makes a lot of problems it will do makes a lot of to leave. under delivery. have very little to do with reality or it with even the wanting to do it why he does that sometimes bluffing sometimes believing

that increases the effectiveness of his negotiating position because i tend to agree but the problem with that is that we do least at this point in time we have these negotiations coming up north korea and south korea. if the north koreans are seeing this kind of bluster coming out of trump power are they going to trust any kind of deal making a deal with the americans is hard enough let me remind of the american constitution says that the president determines the foreign policy so if the united states had been wrong or when it implies that it had something to do with russia these days then the president doesn't on many issues as we see now you know the united states is not ruled by the elected president it is ruled by an elected i go would you and with north korea the same with the media east you know the united states could be imply there are going to be the military exercises are starting right now and in

south korea the aim is to get all their. big games first visit by the iraqi provisional. char in their approach man you know in the face of these new exercise ok we're going to keep an eye on that i want to go to this poisoning case in the in the u.k. it's falling apart the official line is falling apart more i don't want to see that oh it's we've just had an easter miracle oh yes i did way of putting it out there we should go to these dearly and after all we have. the overt shock this is a word created by the west that there's nothing there with the supposed program this this supposed there are ten times more powerful than v.x. that's what we're told right so far out of the three supposed victims of the. we've got a cop out walking the streets just fine talking to the press and then the double agent

the british spies daughter evidently iraqi lives around us and really we should get a significant risk looking out we've already seen or knew enough social media we had you know we had a headline in the telegraph. one day it was poisoned russian spy and daughter should be allowed to die says friend thirty six hours later in the telegraph russian spies daughter is conscious and talking nearly a month after chemical that's what i call a seasonally appropriate reception. that's what i call the seasonally appropriators resection but it's not the only strange thing about these. let me just give you all of the versions that they had before that mr scruple and his daughter were sprayed by a possibility that they were contaminated drool that somebody inserted this. poison in his car now we don't know if there was this meaningful indicated there was a severe door or window and i don't know what could this mean and now we have this

piece of the donkey and the dog may have moved it so we have no way to know whether it will smear the rope from the outside the home to even say this is the interesting bit is the sound on some of the media to this great falls is an interesting thing about this door theory right because supposedly this is a contact there of poison in some type of liquid or or powder form on the door they touched it they supposedly left the house at nine o'clock in the morning and didn't collapse in the park until four o'clock so this is a nerve agent ten times more powerful than v.x. that somehow has a seven hour onset something and then you recover after a month with evidently know if it was true but the damage has been done and the intention of this has been played out thanks actually for what mark and the media so that it becomes very obvious why the british deny it russian authorities members of russian. with access to these russian citizens. most people as a russian citizen and by you know by international law they had to give access why

wouldn't they want to give them access because they really we don't know what really happened to scrape on his daughter or if anything at all captain to them anything at all you know exactly so but it was bad sushi who knows i think there were maybe it was something else that the british and the enemy expressed to them or didn't pester them and maybe nothing happened at all to them we don't know there is no evidence presented anywhere but as you correctly pointed out what matters today is perception not theology and the perception is created by the massive the russian propaganda cruciform make propaganda in british european as well i mean i can promise you when you're just news this is state department saying what we do is we'll go we'll take the word of our british the ministry is such that you could accuse russia and russians of any possible crime of any possible violation and unfortunately the majority of people in the west where we do know the majority of the media i don't think a lot of people are buying and there's no way it is going to get both of us are

going to break and well i think it's just like the arsenal price tag it's still not clear who did it you know that there are two radios aided by the jewels as he said or he himself the chord sequences are so terrible that people know i'm not even caring about what really happened with the stock in february one thousand nine hundred three in the same we hear their record it's like let's move on or kate forget about the door the russians expel sixty american diplomats they are destroying our relations well your sense of security talk about we're going to talk about them the next morning thirty seconds are people going to break the hell are not talking here. she says this is a beast from the deep sea this is she obviously a big fan of h.p. lovecraft has no norm very little russia has lots of tentacles there's a long history isn't really as your. not so from all the way from the us every night times a communist times the nazis and so on i have only this to say to have her not

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. welcome back across the uk were all things considered i'm peter little to remind you risk us thing some real news. ok gentlemen switch gears here and you know we have we live in the age of something great ok so i guess we have to for tat gate in the united states based on what the british claim we previously talked about in the first part of the program about this alleged poisoning the united states is expelled new probably the largest expulsion of diplomats i think on record here and they also expelled russians from the united nations mission which is from what i understand is against international

law which is why victor and where is it going here well first of all the the american action in exposing forty eight russian diplomats from russian embassy and consulates lots in the u.s. and twelve russian diplomats from the russian mission to the united nations was prepared before this group. up and in britain also there is evidence that members of the state department crisis center and members of the british department of the state department traveled to russia before this crippled people the incident actually happened and to visit the talks with american diplomats in. moscow there is evidence of. premeditation of that this is a clear provocation that was. coordinated digital london and washington now as far as their action is what drives them so we see that we are in the new cold war effectively we are in the new cold war with the emmet with the united states what

are they trying to accomplish with this first of all they want to consolidate the european lesions around them and of course britain as america's. closest ally special. really. states frequently uses to impose its policies on other european states but at the same time you know this i agree i think you know consolidating the the north atlantic alliance is really poor because it is fraying ok. but there's so much going on domestically in the e.u. domestically in the u.k. likelihood brigs it in the european union you have countries like poland in hungary that are pushing back against the. this post modernist image of what the european union should be and then of course you have blame russia for everything that the democrats and liberal to settle down in the united states you see what happened here with some countries like. ireland.

then they did they try to. not take these measures but. they were forced. the issue was to show the north atlantic unity but marcie didn't actually show that it actually showed the opposite yeah i mean they tried to twist and poor but obviously there were at least a handful of. others i think you're right there's a domestic element particularly for the united kingdom behind all of this and that's distraction from bragg's it and trying to take down the left labor party leader jeremy corbyn at the same time there is a british comedy skit a show aired thirty years ago yes prime minister that has a skit that seems almost to foretell this exactly and it goes along.

one of the prime minister aide says to him we should give them a story what start a war that sort of thing rather this side of a war is too much why don't you expel seventy six soberly soviet diplomats that has been our practice. when we wish to ensure the press loses interest in something . a great headline for you government cracks down on red spy ring. very patriotic it must be a story that nobody can disprove and which will be believed even if it's not perfect i think i just could not handle the love and the yes prime minister could not and will make sure we get the link at the bottom of this so for everyone to see go ahead well how does the new york columns report on all of these what are they findings they found out let me quote at article written by the veterans by peter baker and stephen. the us has found out that the year of attempting to cooperate

with russia had not that much success we hear of attempting to cooperate but only in the russian olympic games accusing russia of putin mr trump in place great could lose and you know no trump is expected in sixty russian diplomats that's a great age that you know russia made brags it's possible he was incessant result because as a result of the threats it brought is drawn the sun is in power in that you can to resume accident actually accident agent so i just feel it really hurts me that all you know people. who had the courage to could predict that official line in the u.s. or in the course of a think you know on the invasion of yugoslavia he's no right in this it's about a year of attempting to cooperate with russia. it's simply that the those that want to stay in the american mainstream media they have to go to the line they have to see these things the understand it's not just us. i talk to european

politicians lawmakers they understand they understand the case is a provocation but of course many of them simply cannot see it the. cannot see it because if they do see it they will be immediately be accused of being sick they will immediately be accused of being treated us and they will lose their political position so they see what they have to see that this this publication has nothing to do with reality that russia has nothing to do with escape our case is to me and we begin this is one of the best examples like and think of where the the real casualty here mark is the truth the rest of the minister. lavrov he said that privately. particularly european leaders are apologising to him for what's going on they say we know this is all essentially feigned. but the americans are

forcing that to us we don't have a choice in the matter and what they have here is also over and. over one there already was last year there will be pleased to see you are good at they'll be going into this because that's what the russian public also wants to be if you know in the russian news because they write that. the russian diplomats because she bowed to pressure from the u.k. germany as to time to be. i don't know i don't want to police i don't know i don't buy that i don't know as i said i think she sees her political career on the line and she is tearing a page from the liberals in the us saying this actually works ok and i think that. what been nice to someone you originally was really really important to talk about is that our team is being targeted again in the u.s. and when it was forced to become register as a foreign agent at the end of last year you were promised that its operations would not be hindered. but it's not true it's happening picture yes we

started this program with thomas words about syria which are now to the words about fair and not affecting. their words about the coming summer. and. you need that mean. likely not be true also and it was pretty obvious from the start that the reason that the they say to use for against r.t. was to try to shut it down to two hinder it's. to hinder it's their making speeches people's access to see the american government simply does not want a meeting restrictions on freedom of this issue do not want american people to have access to alternative sources of information of their own they're on the wrong side of history go ahead people i mean we keep hearing it from the united states from the e.u. we need to maintain dialogue with russia what sort of dialogue surround that or

else that's the kind of their work that they have they don't want to hear the voice that's why they are basically prohibiting their t.v. basically side in the senate at least in that washington region this is the kind of dialogue that they want to have i talk to you and you listen this is the kind of dialogue that they want to have in this situation you know mano mcgraw is going to visit more score and he expels of the russian diplomats simply because something happened in the u.k. something that looks very much like a provocation now france is helping the u.k. to investigate this with russia is part of this international convention on chemical weapons it has a legal right to be involved in that but it's the french are not involved in the unlikely event but they're involved in investigating and it doesn't make any sense to just imagine what would happen if a british citizen was poisoned by some substance in russia and the british diplomats would not be allowed even to visit him or her or even to have

a if she can talk you know if you would ask republican talk. you know say if you what's with her there would not be possible you know there would be an outcry they would view it as a cold and then only now if your relative from russia victorious could. well actually traveled to great britain to see here and the british authorities now said that they will think about letting her see close relatives and other by the way is what was said by the state department about the expelled russian diplomats that russia and the police them what we have seen over the past year is that despite these claims by the state department when these are being asked for for the diplomats when they cannot get to create it so they simply say well yes you can replace them but they won't give you know they're going to ok and to give him. more. you know state department spokesman again she made it quite clear that if

russians want to improve relations what they have to do first is acknowledge responsibility for the attack confess confess that you know you. know this is a little clues that from our narrative and then you know they're scared i mean this whole thing with r.t. and i think they question our t's slogan that question more means that they're just trying to confuse the truth which of course the all that all the others the only i so doubt the other side of that of course is the assumption that what they're telling you you know remember the iraq war the destruction of libya and so on so on is the complete unvarnished objective truth and i just know what it gets down to is really unfortunate is that it's our t. against the ministry of truth that's what it's getting down to the end of the demons absolutely right the biggest problem we face right now in journalism is there is no dialogue no dialogue is permitted if there is dialogue that means

you're committing a piece a piece meant. they just say that you don't qualify could be a drone yes that's right you could obviously but that was also for a friend this insect always comes up in this cold war before that down to and we're going. back into the we can dialogue during the cold war gentlemen we had treaty signed on arms could i mean they're dotting i don't know that's not right gentlemen to jump in here many thanks my guest here in moscow this is the end of our broadcast segment same with his for the expanded version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember crosstalk rules. apply for many clubs over the years so i know the game and so i got. the ball isn't only about what happens on the pitch for the final school it's about the passion

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the u.k. is accused of going too far in its claims as russia's foreign minister pushes over the poisoning of a former. white house could set the scene for a meeting between donald trump. information. between the two leaders. also coming up this hour militants are on the move in the. east and russia says over thousand people have left the area in twenty four hours following on the back you ation deal with the rebel groups. and also the headlines tonight israel reaches a deal with the u.n. refugee agency to send thousands of african migrants to germany and italy saying it knows nothing.