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haiti it better by natural disasters is reeling from a scandal around the revelations of abuse by international aid workers how will it affect the humanitarian efforts of n.g.o.s and the u.n. in the country well i ask. human rights lawyer. haiti a country that is still recovering from earthquakes and hurricanes while coping with a drastic lack of infrastructure has drawn sympathy from across the globe with n.g.o.s and you when agencies rushing to help the better nation but with relations of corruption and abuse by u.n. and aid workers has the image of a charitable organizations been tainted for good will be haitian government expelled or groups from the country altogether and current condiments problems all along. it is really down to haitian human rights lawyer welcome it's really great

to have you on our program lots to talk about now the latest scandal in haiti's over oxon employees seeing ageing sexual exploitation in the country the haitian government has suspended the work of the u.k. charity awesome has apologized charted investigation and fired those responsible are responsible what more could they do right now well. i think oxfam is just sort of the symptom of the problem because haiti's under occupation and these n.g.o.s are there masturbating on this pain that has been imposed upon us because of imperialism what else could they do they could actually leave haiti. ok we're going to go actually case by case but because it is the latest case i'd like to focus on that in the beginning i mean totally takes one scandal to ruin the reputation of a charity accusation stake and people start thinking that the whole organization is

one after the scandal broke out some c.e.o. said that everything they're going to zation try to say or do just fuel the fire of public opinion it's like no matter what they say it won't come out right do they really deserve to be battered further well yes we're talking about children we're talking about post earthquake i mean look at the situation sophie we're talking about two thousand and ten the catastrophic politike earthquake that killed over three hundred and ten thousand haitians that made over two million haitians homeless and then you have this army of n.g.o.s coming in and that's where oxfam comes in with a director who has been recycled in different other n.g.o.s. as a sexual immoral person to me he's actually. he was in liberia

and fired by a british in geo in liberia in two thousand and four this role in person. and then he was recently and he was recruited by. and he had what they say i mean it's so nasty what he was doing callignee less sex that's beastie ality that's orgies with people who have lost everything and are looking at these charitable organizations as. their savior come to help give. their savior is yes and this is not just oxfam we have the un doing the same thing so you have to talk a lot of enters coming in and we'll talk about the u.n. further down in our interview so only the u.k. division of oxfam has been banned other oxfam workers are still in haiti does that mean that the country actually needs ochs them here or just found

a temporary scapegoat in the u.k. division we haitians have not been heard this is not about oxfam this is about the underage children who were you by this in geo who are now being blared about it in headlines as prostitutes what happens when you're fifteen years old and your mother just died five of your brothers just died. instead of helping you with the donation dollars that's paying this man salary that's been given by citizens of the world who care about what happened this crisis this me and held. orgy sex with animals with these children what can happen to them i'm a human rights lawyer who spent the last twenty four years of my life since one thousand nine hundred ninety four exposing that the charitable industrial complex and the military industrial complex are about colonialism that there in haiti

as a smokescreen wildly western corporatocracy takes our resources out so you know if you're talking to a haitian woman. i know i know and it's very emotional i mean i do realize that but me as a journalist i need to make sure that i cover all sides so bear with me because i'm going to have to ask you this question but i need your answers guardian wrote that sure pay more money to sex workers a lot more than the locals i know it sounds gross but in some way could there could these encounters have been voluntary so locals may have a role in this too not just oxfam could that be a possibility as well while. oxfam is in geo which is a non-governmental organization which is given its accreditation by the united nations the united nation has

a policy against having sex with your beneficiaries so does oxfam and so we're talking about a situation where you're asking me. who is it you know is the victim and we talk about under-age soaks here this man that we're talking about roland has a history of having sex in place is paid by donation dollars as an ox you know he started out in liberia and he was dismissed for having sex with local people including under-age children and you know as a lawyer as a human rights lawyer i'm actually concern sex with underage children is pedophilia it's a crime we're not talking about. anything else. yes there is prostitution

but as you know whenever a military comes into a space the level of sexual abuse and prostitution goes up at least fifteen percent is that really what the u.n. and the ngos are supposed to be doing in haiti aren't they supposed to be fiduciaries that are given this position as philanthropists and human human new man a tarion to choose not to bring up the level of prostitutions in haiti but to to to to help haiti developed to provide help at a time of crisis i mean and africa lifted crisis when everything has fallen down so so no i reject the idea that the the haitian women and men who were victims of oxfam. are to blame for any of what happened with regards to that because you're talking about a differential in power and we're talking about underage girls and we talking about

underage girls or underage boys we're talking about a crime that age in haiti is eighteen for maturity so although the media waltzes wants to make these under-age children prostitutes who really is the whore here who really is the criminal here so haitian parliament has learned that the majority of abuse cases don't get reported oxfam actually has the reporting requirements in place their stats are transparent other agencies don't have those requirements so do you have any information about their transgressions you know i head the free haiti movement which i founded in two thousand and four when the united nations lent its uniforms to this occupation. where it's this humanitarian front is covering up the corporate plunder of haiti's riches i had something called the haitian lawyers leadership network which i

founded in one nine hundred ninety four twenty four years ago and the purpose was to institutionalize the rule of law and to protect and defend the cultural human economic rights of haitians living at home you know broad now the question you're asking me is. is there reporting requirement with regards to the n.g.o.s and what they're doing in haiti the ngos do whatever they want in haiti remember there's a level of racism and a level of when you're under occupation and these n.g.o.s come in they're making so much more money than let's say a haitian lawyer in haiti a native haitian lawyer in haiti who is going to fight on behalf of let's say the victims. so you're talking about a disparity of power you're talking about this idea that these these white folks like oxfam's director who was who was. fired and the other i

think they fired oxfam fired sorry executive and another for. me they let them resigned they let three resign and then they fired for gross misconduct three so but they never reported to the haitian government that says it's a crime to. have sex with minors they never reported that so they concealed it and they continued to conceal what was going on up until now eight years later we hear about it. when take a short break right now and when we're back we'll continue talking to as human rights lawyer discussing the humanitarian missions in haiti and the opera they have been causing stay with us.

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the controversy around eight missions in haiti so now the haitian president after an investigation is calling the office them affair the tip of the iceberg but only on a hand count the haitian government really afford to poke into other aid groups besides oxfam president mention investigated mid-south some from jaf and other n.g.o.s what if more organizations are suspended can they manage without them can haiti do without n.g.o.s altogether you know i want your audience to hear me when i say this you can't develop a country which charity you cannot. the charities are there in haiti. to assist with the symptoms of the problem not the root of the problem of haiti and that symptoms like when you have no clean water no health care no infrastructure those are all symptoms of a greater problem in haiti and that greater problem is imperialism that greater

problem is debt dependency and domination that haiti has had to deal with sense it became the first. a free republic ruled by black people since eighteen zero four so we've had to deal with this. imperialism that comes in and takes out haiti's resources so here is the answer the answer for your audience to understand is not charity it's not these n.g.o.s it's not oxfam you can't you take someone's agency away when you bring in foreigners and you have those foreigners give you public services like clean water like health care they're not accountable that's why you have the problem of oxfam that's why you have the larger problem of the un troops and their sex rings and and their cholera has gotten to haiti and all of the travesties that we've had to suffer directly since two

thousand and four when the un came in and they came in the un came in after the united nations just made the united states france and canada and the western powers out through or we bush regime change in two thousand and four the democratically elected president of haiti which i used to represent so we're talking about the you win and the charitable workers who come in. to cover that this is an occupation because if it was acknowledged openly that this is a humanitarian front to occupation then the public of these various nations would oppose it but if you say haiti needs charity and look at these haitians and all their problems and you say these things all the time and this is what they say about haiti we are the poor some trying. them out i don't understand

it's not like they're there by force right someone is certainly inviting them why can't you just be like we don't need you by what is a problem as i said the u.n. came in in two thousand and four after the united nations has made the united states france and canada in their deep state cia agents helped take down the democratically elected president what we have in haiti right now is an occupation a military occupation with the u.n. serving as proxy military are you saying your government is in conspiracy with the united nations because no organization including that salute including the united nations can be on a territory of a country without a consensus of the government of that country after the earthquake we had bill and hillary clinton essentially take over haiti and take over the aid to haiti they

were i do think there was no interest in haiti what what why such interest on behalf of the clintons and your country why. i am so happy you asked because haiti lies between two nations city united states want to become client states that they dislike that has not fall and into a the line with manifest destiny and the one road doctrine and so on that's cuba and venezuela we are right in between we are that weakest link in their horseshoe also so so they unite this is what we say at the haitian lawyers leadership which i lead we say that the moon i did nation forces in haiti are the africa calm of the western hemisphere they are the u.s. western military army training latin american instrumental american soldiers. for on behalf of the western powers and they use haiti as

a training ground that's number one number two haiti has massive oil the head of venezuelans oil is in haiti's waters number in terms of riches haiti has they say now twenty billion in gold. haitian geologist says it's one hundred billion in gold doing the earthquake. bill and hillary clinton put in through fake elections and you can see this just google it michel martelly who is a former carnival singer if you look at the e-mails from the hillary and bill clinton they show you that they created this this fake election and now in two thousand and sixteen we have should be two thousand and seventeen we have this new president job mel movies job no more yes was handpicked by michel martelly who was put into office by bill and hillary clinton under the obama administration

and now the aid groups and you and agencies they always stress that they're doing a lot of good they do outstrip the bat that happens but good rarely makes for a hard news story that always goes unnoticed so all the good work they could be doing because i'm sure they are doing something good emergency aid medication shelter supplies etc will that always be outweighed by the bad behavior by the by the scandals by the overall problem of the occupation that you're you're talking about yes ok so so no matter what they do even if sometimes they're really actually reaching out to housing people and that that is also an undeniable fact. well as i said before sophie no matter how how well intentioned some of these n.g.o.s are and some of them some of the charitable industrial complex folks. are not predators no matter what their

intentions are we're talking about an occupation we're talking about imperialism we talk about the people of haiti being disenfranchised by fake elections run by the un right now on behalf of the united nations says me of the united states and it's and it's and it's you know european allies but i just want to ask you about the technicality does the humanitarian aid that they bring in to your country actually reach people on the ground those who really need it do they get it i think the figures were. thirteen point three billion dollars that was raised after the earthquake. and i think they said that less than one percent of that went to the haitian government most of that money went back to the donors to their hands most of it stayed in the donor hands to to to to what to bring

employment to their people to make money off of it is that what you're saying to bring employment to people like the world lim hamann whatever his name is yeah head of the oxfam person yeah are you going by the way i asked you i and you already i think you know that foreign foreign aid cripples most african nations i think you already know that the stis to stick say that the world bank puts out a lot alone but the corporate plunder. is greater than the aid they ever a give to the black nations or to the global self i want to be able those if i actually spoke to afghanistan's former president and he thinks the same way to you he feels like the foreign aid in the long run is ruining his country because it never comes with no strings attached. so you know this rapper i'm sure you know because he ran for your country's president. he's charities reported to have spent twenty five

percent of money donated on expenses like travel conferences accommodation salaries how can people who want to help donate be sure that their money goes where it has to because you don't necessarily need to be a part of u.n. or i'm it's also point or other n.g.o.s who want to help write there are a lot of philanthropist who want to help you know if you're sitting in your house you are sure it is an earthquake you want to donate money how do you make sure that it gets where it has to be very well you see i'm still thinking that we're having the wrong conversation here charity cannot develop a nation it can't give it infrastructure health care it can only allow for dependency and you mentioned one charity which which is why clip shot. you know i could show is like a tiny little bit of so small compared to the clinton global

initiative. and the big n.g.o.s and what they're doing in haiti the red cross the red cross raised half a billion dollars in haiti after the earthquake and only built seven homes and left no infrastructure and we need. clean water just basic clean water they could have given us with that thirteen point three billion dollars that was raised because the u.n. in two thousand and ten as you know brought us cholera which has killed over ten thousand haitians and made sick more than they say a million and i say three million haitians so we don't even have clean water so what do these forty two thousand n.g.o.s have to show except the fact that they are used as a smokescreen i was immediately ferrying to a whole race out i was just talking about people who want to help do i understand you correctly that your message to my odeon says that anyone who is watching t.v.

and their calls to help haiti they shouldn't. is that what you're saying haiti yes what i'm saying is if you hate haiti cannot be developed by charity if if anyone wants to help haiti you need to help us get rid of the u.s. occupation hidden by a u.n. mercenary guns fake a fake election fake a charity that's what we want as haitians and for instance after the earthquake we started my organization the network because we were not getting help because the people were being given dirty water by the n.g.o.s we started a program. which gives clean water it's a very tiny project but it is a haiti led haiti one and a transfer of skills to haitian without a middleman those the type of projects that people who are interested in helping haiti can do assist ended digitas haiti lead haiti capacity building

organization not an organization that's that's that's building up the capacity of the ngos all right it was really interesting insights to hear from you as really actually thanks for this interview i have never heard someone speak so passionately about the country and speak the way you speak about the country i wish you all the vast in your future endeavors as a leader until we were talking to you the haitian human rights lawyer about the u.n. and other groups humanitarian efforts in haiti and why they have drawn so much criticism that's it for this edition of sophie and co i will see you next time. thank you.

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