hello and welcome to cross talk or all things considered i'm peter lavelle says he wants to get out of syria apparently not everyone in his administration got that memo also the latest twists and turns in the alleged poisoning controversy in the u.k. and r t is again being targeted. cross talking some real news i'm joined by my guest mark sloboda he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have victor allege he is a political analyst as well as a leading expert at the center for actual politics and we have dmitri bob h. he's a political analyst with sputnik international right gentlemen as always crosstalk rules in effect that means he can jump in in time any time you want and i always appreciate mark let me go to you first here we have president donald trump saying that it's essentially time for the united states to get out of syria kind of

hearkening back to the old campaign days but apparently as i said in my introduction not everybody got that memo in the administration what's going on here will be coming out of syria like very soon. let the other people take care of it now we got to get back to our country where we belong where we want to be so that was that was the trump that i remember from the campaign now if people voted the way to well i don't know if they voted on syria and foreign policy but that that is what his foreign policy platform was at the time now this was a media across the press led by the washington post the new york times but even from people within his own administration really trying to walk that back right there did you did you check that in with madoff maddow to prove that in that message mr trump that had the right what does this tell us about his administration though because there. there doesn't seem to be any quarter needed policy there

seems to be no timeline as well so i mean is you know something that trump just says because it was like at a rally ok to energize the base because this is a kind of a test of who's running foreign policy victory he'd my lips no new taxes george bush sr during good republican convention one of the first things he did as president was he have raised taxes for the american taxpayers politicians say you do not have sexual rules. and. shortly what we did was he said something that was not true the united states is not planning to get out of syria very soon or soon or in the long term perspective the united states plans to stay in syria as long as possible even if the president of the united states doesn't agree deemer that's why the president of the nation he doesn't say so but. he was there you need to read the reason why we're doing this

because i think it's a litmus test of if there's a real disconnect in words and in policy and apparently there is. basically i was asked to comment on this by al-jazeera and they told me it's not like in russia where the president says something he means it it's a democratic country you know i said yes we're. going to have democracy and i don't know about that deep state but i do or would you rather sit and according to that there you always had that states and the e.u. should never never make concessions they could not retreat the problem with this ideology it can only move forward it can only test whether or not to create one of the interesting things more we have john bolton coming in and i think we all know he's long history of blunders and failed policies but he is a big booster for interventionism i mean he essentially is associated with it you want to stay in. serious and gay one north korea and syria are going to be on the

table here here's in they say they agree on a lot of things i actually think they just agree on a lot of yeah i think john bolton probably did a face by moment where when he heard dropsy this question exactly what he was walking into the one of the lines out of the associated press story on this was alarm bells went off across the state department and the pentagon again showing that trump is obviously not on the same foreign policy and military page in the pages of the washington post our favorite neo con josh rogin you know that the mouthpiece whenever the security state wants to say something he wrote an article under the title in syria we took the oil now trump wants to give it to you not to the syrian government but to iran this is the specter we've long talk about this all the neocons tried to shift the goalpost with trump to raise the specter of iran because of the hard on in the industry and in this is what's going to happen this

is what's going to happen is that you know because apparently trump and bolton on the same page when it comes to iran this is how he's going to convince trump. his syria policy has to be an extension of the policy on iran and that's how it's going to play out of course but it is hard to be of that words were. to start with he probably did not mean one single word but what he said about getting out of here very soon he has proved himself to be a president who says promises a lot makes a lot of problems it will do makes a lot of really put under delivery there very little to do with reality or it would be even the wanting to do it why he does that sometimes bluffing sometimes believing that increases the effectiveness of it is negotiating because i tend to agree with you but the problem with that is that we do least at this point in time we have these negotiations coming up with new. with korea and south korea. if the

north koreans are seeing this kind of bluster coming out of trump power are they going to trust any kind of deal making a deal with the americans is hard enough let me remind. the american constitution says that the president determines the foreign policy so if the united states had been wrong or when it implies that it has something to do with russia these days then the president doesn't but on many issues as we see no you know the united states is not ruled by the elected president it is ruled by an elected i do what would you and with north korea it's the same with me do east you know the united states could be imply there are going to be the military exercises are starting right now and in south korea the aim is to forget all that soon border with jordan games first visit by the eurozone to the caribbean to china their approach mom you know in the face of these new exercise ok we're going to keep an

eye on that i want to go to this poisoning case in the u.k. it's falling apart the official line is falling apart work i don't see that oh it's we've just had an easter miracle oh yes i did i did a way of putting it right there we should call this but it seems to me we're going to go we have. the overt shock this is a word created by the west that has nothing there with the supposed program this this supposed. ten times more powerful than v.x. that's what we're told right so far out of the three supposed victims of it we've got a cop out walking the streets just fine talking to the press and then the double agent the british spies daughter evidently iraqi lives around us and really we should get a significant risk looking out we are social media we had you know we had a headline in the telegraph. one day it was poisoned russian spy and daughter.

should be allowed to die says friend thirty six hours later in the telegraph russian spies daughter is conscious and talking nearly a month after a chemical that's what i call a seasonally appropriate reception. that's what i call the seasonally appropriators resection but it's not the only strange thing about these poisoning let me just give you all of the versions that they had before that mr scruple and his daughter were sprayed by a possibly that they were contaminated with drool that somebody inserted this this poison in his car knowing that if there was this meaningful indicated there was a severe door we know now we've heard this mean and now we have this because of the wrong and the dog bit more don't so we have no way to know whether it will smear the outside of trying to even say this is the answer is that there is someone someone media to this group of this is an interesting thing about this door theory right because supposedly this is

a contact there of poison in some type of liquid or or powder form on the door they touched it they supposedly left the house at nine o'clock in the morning and didn't collapse in the park until four o'clock so this is a nerve agent ten times more powerful than v.x. that somehow has a seven hour onset something and then you recover after a month with evidently know if it's true but the damage has been done and the intention of this has been played out basically actually for what mark and the media say that it becomes very obvious why the british deny it russian authorities members of russian with access to these russian citizens. most people is a russian citizen and by you know by international law they had to give access why wouldn't they want to give them access because they really don't know what happened to escape on his go there or if anything at all happened to them anything at all you know exactly so but he was bad soon. you know. who or maybe it was something

else that the british and the enemy expressed to them or didn't pester them and maybe nothing happened at all to them we don't know there is no evidence presented anywhere but as you correctly pointed out what matters today is perception not theology and the perception is created by the russian propaganda cruciform make propaganda in british european as well i mean i can tell you when you're just news this is state department so what we do is we'll go we'll take the word of our british it probably in the atmosphere is such that you could accuse russia and russians of any possible crime of any possible violation and unfortunately the majority of people in the west where we do know the majority of the media i don't think a lot of people are buying and just real quickly what it is going to get both of us are going to break and well i think it's just like the arsenal price tag it's still not clear who did it you know the dutch radios aided by the jewels as he said or here we can sell the quote sequences are so terrible that people know i'm not even

caring about what really happened with the stock in february one thousand nine hundred three in the same we hear their record it's like let's move on or kate forget about the dog the russians expel sixty american diplomats they are destroying our relations well your sense of security talk about we're going to talk about them the next morning three seconds or before we're going to break the hell are not talking here we go. she says this is a beast from the deep sea this is obviously a big fan of h.p. lovecraft has no norm very little russia has lots of tentacles there's a long history of the other three as yours the nazi from all the way this is the climbs of communist times the nazis and so on i have only this to say to her for not got enough for. one model for tiger in his hour dead through sleeps. waits dreaming. on that point we're going to go to a short break. short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news state.

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to get to shape out just becomes the ticket and engagement equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. welcome back across the uk were all things considered i'm peter liberal to remind you risk us thing some real news. ok gentlemen switch gears here and you know we have we live in the age of something great ok so i guess we have to for cat gate in the united states based on what the british claim we previously talked about in the first part of the program about this alleged poisoning the united states is expelled new probably the largest

expulsion of diplomats i think on record here and they also expelled russians from the united nations mission which is from what i understand is against international law which is why victor and where to go here well first of all the the american action in exposing forty eight russian diplomats from russian embassy and consulates lots in the u.s. and twelve russian diplomats from the russian mission to the united nations was prepared before this group. and in britain also there is evidence that members of the state department crisis center and members of the british department of the state department traveled to russia before this crippled people incident actually happened and to visit the talks with american diplomats in. moscow there is evidence of. premeditation of that this is a clear provocation that was. coordinated digital london and washington now as far

as their actions what drives them so we see that we are in the new cold war effectively we are in the new cold war with the emmet with the united states what are they trying to accomplish with this first of all they want to consolidate the european lesions around them and of course britain as america's. closest ally special. really yes it is. frequently uses to impose its policies on other european states but at the same time you know this i agree i think you know consolidating the the north atlantic alliance is really poor because it is fraying ok but one of the reasons that there's so much going on domestically in the e.u. domestically in the u.k. likelihood brigs it in the european union you have countries like poland and hungary that are pushing back against the. this post modernist image of what the european union should be and then of course you have

blame russia for everything that the democrats and liberal to hold out in the united states you see what's happened here with some countries like. ireland. then they do try to. not take these measures but. they were forced. the issue was to show the north atlantic unity but mark it didn't actually show that they actually showed the opposite yeah i mean they tried to twist and poor but obviously there were at least a handful of. others i think you're right there's a domestic element particularly for the united kingdom behind all of this and that's distraction from bragg's it and trying to take down the left labor party leader jeremy corbyn at the same time there is a british comedy skit a show aired thirty years ago yes prime minister that has

a skit that seems almost to foretell this exactly and it goes along. one of the prime minister aide says to him we should give them a story what start a war that's sort of thing where they decide on a war is too much why don't you expel seventy six soberly soviet diplomats that has been our practice. when we wish to ensure the press loses interest in something . a great headline for you government cracks down on red spy ring. very patriotic it must be a story that nobody can disprove and which will be believed even if it's not perfect i think i just could not handle the love and the yes prime minister could not and will make sure we get the link at the bottom of this so for everyone to see go ahead well how does the new york columns report on all of this what are they findings they found out let me quote an article written by the veterans by peter

baker and stephen. the us has found out that the year of attempting to cooperate with russia had not that much success we hear of attempting to cooperate but only in the russian paralympic games accusing russia of all putin mr trump in place great could lose and you know no trumpets expect in sixty russian diplomats that's a great agent you know russian made brags it's possible he wasn't sesa result because as a result of the threats it brought is drawn the son is in power in that you can to resume accident actually accident agent so i just feel it really hurts me that all you know people like steve irwin jack who had the courage to could predict that official line in the us all in the course of a think you know on the invasion of yugoslavia he's no right in this once it's about a year of attempting to cooperate with russia. it's simply that the those

that want to stay in the american mainstream media they have to go to the line they have to see these things the understand it's not just us. i talk to european politicians lawmakers they end their stand they understand the scope of this is a prime occasion but of course many of them simply cannot so see it they will. immediately be accused of being sick they will immediately be accused of being treated us and they will lose their political position so they see what they have to see that this this publication has nothing to do with reality that russia has nothing to do with escape our case is to me we begin this is one of the best examples i can think of where the the real casualty here mark is the truth the russian foreign minister. lavrov he said that privately. particularly european leaders are apologising to him for what's going on they say

we know this is all essentially feigned. but the americans are forcing it to us we don't have a choice in the matter and what they have here is also what we're going to have over one or two was last year that will be pleased to see i would argue are good at they'll be against this because that's what the russian public also wants to be if you know in the russian news but they write that. of the russian diplomats because she bowed to pressure from the u.k. germany as to time to be. i don't know i don't want to police i don't know i don't buy that i don't know as i said i think she sees her political career on the line and she is tearing a page from the liberals in the us saying this actually works ok and i think that. weapon nice original you know really really important want to talk about is in our team is being targeted again in the us and when it was forced to become register as a foreign agent at the end of last year you were promised that its operations would

not be hindered. but it's not true it's happening picture yes we started this program with thomas words about syria which are now to their words about fair and not affecting. future rule their words about the coming summit in tampa and. indeed that mean. likely not be true also and it was pretty obvious from the start that the reason that the decided to use for against r.t. was to try to shut it down to two hinder it's. to hinder its access they're making speeches people's access to see the american government simply does not want a meeting restrictions on freedom of this issue do not want american people to have access to alternative sources of information of their own they're on the wrong side of history go ahead people i mean we keep hearing it from the united states from

the e.u. we need to maintain dialogue with russia what sort of dialogue surround that or else that's the kind of their work that they have they don't want to hear the voice that's why they are basically prohibiting their t.v. basically silence and it at least in that washington region this is the kind of dialogue that they want to have i talk to you and you listen this is the kind of dialogue that they want to have in this situation you know mano mcgraw is going to visit more score and he expels to the russian diplomats simply because something happened in the u.k. something that looks very much like a provocation now france is helping the u.k. to investigate this with russia is part of this international convention on chemical weapons it has a legal right to be involved in that but it's the french are not involved in the unlikely event but they're involved in investigating and it doesn't make any sense just imagine what would happen if a british citizen was poisoned by some substance in russia and the british

diplomats would not be allowed even to visit him or her or even to have a if she can't talk you know if you would ask republican talk. you know say if you what's with her there would not be possible you know there would be an outcry and they would view it as a goal and then only now if your relative from russia victorious people actually traveled to. to she here and the british authorities now said that they will think about letting her see her close relative and other by the way is what was said by the state department the expelled russian diplomats that russia and the police them what we have seen over the past year is that despite these claims by the state department when. being asked for their diplomats when they cannot get a critic so they simply say well yes you can replace them but they won't give you know they're going to look at him to give him. more. now or you know state

department spokesman again she made it quite clear that if russians want to improve relations what they have to do first is acknowledge responsibility for the attack confess confess that you agree no no. no this is a clue that from our narrative and then you know they're scared i mean this whole thing with r t and the thing they question artie's slogan that question more means that they're just trying to confuse the truth which of course the all the all that all the other the the other side of that of course is the assumption that what they're telling you you know remember the iraq war the destruction of libya and so on so on is the complete unvarnished objective truth you know and i just know what it gets down to is really unfortunate is that it's our t. against the ministry of truth that's what it's getting down to the end of the demons absolutely right the biggest problem we face right now in journalism is

there is no dialogue no dialogue is permitted if there is dialogue that means you're committing a piece a piece meant. they just say that you don't qualify could be a drone yes that's right you could obviously but that was also for a friend this instinct always to take in this whole the war before it get down to it and we are getting back into that we had dialogue during the cold. more gentlemen we had treaties signed an arms could mean there do i mean i don't know that's not my general going to jump in here many thanks my guest here in moscow this is the end of our broadcast segment same with those for the expanded version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember cross talk rules. killion a loan to spend spend be true to the twenty million. it's an experience like

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