worth around fifty billion dollars a year president trump tweeted too that there is no current trade war with china as washington has already lost years ago. recent thoughts on the latest spiraling of this the economist richard wolfe speaks to us he says that the u.s. could pay a high price for trump's economic decisions here. all of this destruction of the world trade is the theatrical mr trump this is about domestic political theater it's not a solution to the underlying economic problems of the united states the chinese have all kinds of economic leverage on the united states and my guess is if you keep provoking them in the way that mr trump thinks it's useful for him politically they will look at all of their weapons thanks for watching this quick reminder news alert for you on our site ulti dot com we're still streaming live media conference from the o.p.c. w.

there is on the show and various professors and reading questions as well about the meeting today from hopeless and double check their own site for now that's this news bulletin moishe jul twenty nine minutes ahead. i'm after a town say we're going underground with tourism a fighting for political life i mean the coldest of cold war u.k. rhetoric on air strikes on syria and on the eve of elections that could see it elects it or quits really it's really leaving the european union coming on the show

venezuela held this british gas supplies are threatened by storm and money probably not after you get foreign secretary was johnson killed off ken livingstone's fuel deal but what about if you use sanctions against the country with the biggest knode oil reserves in the world. to venezuela's foreign minister or a human rights up a supposed election and trump threat of war and then they historic we did the u.k. committee on exiting the news you'll williams about the end of the united kingdom as we know it was too late for to morrow's off because fifteen years to the day catherine guns expose u.k. u.s. corruption of the u.n. to excuse tony blair's iraq you're. told us about whistle blowing and being played by keira knightley in the upcoming film official secrets all this and more coming up in today's going underground at first it may not be teresa mayes final prime minister's questions as britain's minority government leader but it was certainly

she asking questions of jeremy corbin's resistor and what has implications for the break up of the united kingdom this week he said he wants a customs a range been meeting we could negotiate a new trade deals well that's the government's position so what he wanted to let down the country or agree with the government the leader of your of the largest socialist movement jeremy corbin referenced a leaked letter from foreign secretary boris johnson just as the leader of the s.n.p. in westminster did the formal circuitries lete letter on the irish border shows he can get to grips with one of the most fundamental issues of great since the fall of the circuitry compared crossing the irish border to doing between camden and westminster like when you could not make the stuff off this is our u.k. government that has appeared to put at jeopardy the good friday agreement does the prime minister's likely work the problem for you thank you for me please make that

you know you can do a lot of things go to resume only prime minister because of our alliance to a previously paramilitary link protestant political party appeared to say she didn't want bombs in british cities that commitment to the belfast agreement stands and we're committed to belfast agreement and the institution. under the fast agreement those institutions are not working incidentally but the belfast agreement to end u.k. army soldier of catholics and ira bombings in london are arguably not in the spirit of u.k. foreign policy today britain de facto supports what damascus calls terrorism it supports saudi bombing of yemen even inviting a saudi prince to london next week when it comes to oil interests not arguably allied to the pentagon it seeks the overthrow of governments one in particular venezuela the nation with the world's largest known resources of oil a march in support of president maduro is shed ewald in london for ten days time but there is foreign minister or hey joins me now thank you so much jeff foreign

minister of a coming again on going underground first of all the news that general elections have been delayed one day since last year we've been talking with the opposition we had today other protests in dominican republic it was working very well we had very important that vance's and finally when the opposition and the government had to saying we traveled to santo domingo the president maybe now was their former presidents about their from spain was there as well and when the opposition arrived they said they were not going to saying there was no agreement the date was to close the twenty second of april so we kept on having conversations and finally it was they said it to move the date to the second part of may the last two weeks of may we don't have the precise they are ready but it has been announced we have been as a government and the electoral institutions as well they are independent but we are thinking about the country about democracy about the future and we want all the

parties to take part in the election and that's the reason why we have press in a good has agreed and press the mother is already the candidate of the revolutionary forces so our candidate will wait for the candidates of the opposition and we will have the elections in last may of course the brit. foreign secretary boris johnson merely says that your president is a dictator who imprisons thousands of people i believe mr bari xians and. or his making fake news or he's receiving fake news there is not such thing as a ted recipient venezuela this is one of the most deep profound democracies in this whole world where we have had elections three elections last year and now we're going for the presidential election this year i mean no where in the world this happens and we will demonstrate as we have for over one thousand years that the venezuelan oliveri and revolution is

a real democracy and it can be envied by other democracies even in the old you americans appeared to be very interested certainly american journalists in your country the new york times made it ten thousand would piece comparing opposition leader mr leopoldo lopez to martin luther king jr what do you think of that and have intelligence agents go into his home we have too much natural resources i have seen we have oil we have guys we have gold and of course the u.s. government and elite want the government that facilitates all these resources to go to the usa and that's absolutely absurd you know mr lopez is responsible for more than forty three people dying in twenty fourteen calling the people to the streets to do violent demonstrations and riots he has been a right wing opposition not the leader and we believe. we have done

a lot to keep peace remember last year we had violent months four months of violence and presume a doodle did not resolve this did not solve the issue with repression what he did was to call the people for elections he convened elections for a national constituent assembly and peace came. came the next day after the election and it has kept this way very smoothly very quiet and that's what's going to happen after the presidential elections as well boris johnson and the european union says that your president and your government violates human rights what have you been saying at the un human rights council this week about the sanctions against your country by the european union these sanctions against venezuela violate not only international law but our human rights today it's difficult for us to get to our oil paid back you know we deliver ships with oil and then the companies either in the us or in other parts of the world cannot pay back the money

and we have more than one thousand million dollars in europe in europe clear which are blocked and banks are blocking and we have to buy in to import magazines and food and raw material for our people and it doesn't it's difficult today because of these sanctions do you discussed sanctions with your russian counterpart sergey lavrov in geneva this week yes i must say that the russian government president putin and all the government have been very helpful with us we are trying to build different routes different paths to avoid to bypass the sanctions with russia with china with thirty and with other allies in the world they are worried about the venezuelan people you know that. the secretary of state of the u.s. tillerson he said he was happy because in north korea in north korea there were people dying because of the sanctions those are the figures they look for to say

that their politics their policies are well directed this is not going to happen in venezuela because we are taking decisions we have allies in the world and we're going to protect our people from the sanctions and from any other attack from the u.s. you've seen. how u.s. backed agencies have brought down a government in brazil in that in america moscow and beijing did very little to help stop the rise of a cia asset michel tema a former cia asset becoming president why do you think that beijing in moscow is going to help you because we have built a very close relationship with beijing and with and with must go and we are more than. you know associates we are friends we are brothers this was billed by come on down to chavez and it has been also protected by press and i do so i

believe that russia and china we would do much more for venezuela and then anyone can imagine in the world why do you think no one here in britain certainly from the government believes u.n. expert alfred desire claims there is presently no humanitarian crisis in venezuela because what they want the world to believe is that there is a humanitarian crisis when the when there are many terror reasons you know that armies from other countries can intervene this regarding the principles of international law that's the objective it's the old trick but of course you can you can come to venezuela and you can just look around and you can see that there is no such thing as a humanitarian crisis of course we have trouble with some products with the some made the scenes but we it's been solved we have a better idea this year than last year and twenty seventeen was better than twenty sixteen and with democratic decisions and with our allies we are going to solve

everything it does for sure what did you tell british ambassador andrew super and other e.u. ambassadors i understand understood by the british man in caracas i was once based in washington and in brazil we had a. dinner with all the european ambassador. of the e.u. and they had a lot of questions for do it was likely for i was being questioned by a. the inquisition tribunals and i had to defend the truth in venezuela i had to defend my people i had to tell them that they were not in the right path but i must say that the british ambassador had a good attitude he understood what i was saying and i told him that we have to improve our relationships we have relation very good ones since the venezuelan independence where the english army helped to liberate their people so we have to

get back to the path of cooperation of mutual respect and avoid these attacks and the respect for the venezuelans over n.t. i believe that the european union is going to rethink their view about venezuela and specially the united kingdom but must do so because we have always been friends and that's the way it has to be is it your understanding that some of these powers are now backing and refiled call on. to the raft of the democratic unity opposition seems to have decided to run against him a duro at the elections presumably in may i am not sure what's going to happen in the opposition at hand to focus on is one of the opposition leaders he has by himself he has a good party he has a lot of. people who support him and i believe that the other parties have the opposition if he's the only candidate from the from the mood i must say there are twenty four other candidates have the regime and only one is from the government

which is press in the will so i believe that most of the part of the opposition will support and reflect on and people will vote for him and the venezuelan people will decide their future freely and without any kind of interference from the. international community and international community has to help venezuela to help the dialogue in venezuela and they can come on accompany us the days of the elections we have invited the secretary general of the un we have invited the people of kerry come of the african union and other international observers that will be with us during the week of the elections just finally i know donald trump is now threatening insurance types of sanctions against oil shipments he has of course threatened military action against venezuela i understand seven hundred thirty five million dollars in one day was the applications for the oil based

venezuelan cryptocurrency how do you think they're going to try and sabotage your oil base cryptocurrency the petro they have already said that the people who views who use the pads are also violating these. these sanctions against venezuela but you know that crypto currency is a different world they don't go through the traditional banking system financial system so it's going to be really difficult for them petro has had a very good answer not only in venezuela and latin america but also in the u.s. in europe in russia so it's going to be a very useful tool for us to help our economy to comply with our compromises abroad and do we need to have the payment capacity again and again granted in spite of the sanctions and all of the attacks from the u.s. foreign minister thank you thank you very much i stream my pleasure after the break

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welcome back in the past twenty four hours u.k. minority government leader tourism may has tried to remain britain's leader instead of jacob reese morg the bookies tory favorite let alone jeremy corbyn the overall favorite comes after a week in which the very identity of the u.k. has come under threat after defacto e.u. threats to tear apart northern ireland from scotland england and wales joining me now is welsh nationalist m.p. hugh williams who is on britain's exiting the european union select committee you're welcome to going underground so aside from the term old your speeches this week theresa may in the past twenty four hours bonnie on wednesday take us back to how your committee's meeting was with michel barnier the used chief negotiator of a briggs well he was quite stern interestingly when we've met him before he's spoken in english most of the time but the stance that was for the twenty minutes telling is often french about the u.k.

position and clearly you know the the building up to a very hard position as has become apparent over the last few days you know it's interesting for me as a mere backbencher from wales to be there right of the sense out of his hole and in civilian people like. the other day who's a former trade commissioner. who was the chief negotiator me either trade negotiator formerly their guns hero or what in the wake of what he had to say to somebody said the other they were swapping a three course meal for the promise of a packet of crisps but he told us various other things. not just jelly well anderson i just tell you we're only going let's see you know the armless one is good because he said you know trying to negotiate this is like trying to take an egg out of a normal it's the jelly one was amazing somebody asked them will the deals that we make after we leave will they make up for the trade that we lose with the european union and with a very spiritual. but with a very straight face he said well you know there's not

a huge demand for jelly in the european union we produced. more than jelly. but he said you know if you can find the top jelly exporting could see they might swap markers with you for the for the fifty million that they have in the wood up but you know i mean he's pulling a leg fairly severely with a very deliberate this year's inaugural like the years later they're going to keep emphasizing the crucial percentages and proportion of trade between britain and the court to that but ireland is no the critical key issue here rules which certainly mean a hard border pascal lamy told you about ireland where he say you can't have a border without a ball the arrangements on both sides because the black city is now was saying well we'll just open the border entirely. let anything in and it's their problem they have to come to us that source of arguments. all british business could just relocate to bill first i mean i'm welsh business and scottish business is a fantasy for you but. actually we entertain based on the there will be no border

that's what the government's position is all british business can really look into the north of the island of ireland and we'll be in europe i asked him about thoughts and said you know where do you reckon the border will be even if we don't have one in the north of ireland isn't the case of them have to be in the middle of the sea between. brits and the irish exactly because they have sever borders somewhere he seem to think it's the taxes he has of course i don't know i've got to ask you as applied m.p. though how and why does your party and i've got to ask you with the two hats you wear one of them bought of the all party parliamentary group in catalonia how and why you want to be part of a european union which you still do and i know the world's population according to the poll did want to be part of european union the jail's politicians i'm chair of the whole party has only group owned up so that's the media and i was over there for the referendum i actually did see a police station the police arriving including people in the ground for daring to

vote now the question really is he was me in that i was. red line for britain why would we want britain want to be part of a lending institution are we to deceive or everywhere indoors maybe even they're arguing against them or you don't side them letting them get on with it's you know it's the local and the international brothers you know britain as the fortress britain because i'm sure. there's that from the bennett wing of labor would always say it was internationalist to be outside the european union anyway but any news about anna gabriel of the spanish politician having to leave to norn european union switzerland now because arrest warrant has been put out for you and the the leader of the catalans living in brussels because he dare not move back or he'll be put in jail or britain after breaks it could be a haven of freedom away from the european union which shows he was to be allowing the jailing of its politicians that might be the case i mean what's the european union would probably say is that national policy is the national action is

a matter for individual member states the united nations has been criticising leave for human rights over its treatment of refugees coming over from libya libya of course destroyed by an alliance including many european union nations and also you know the bus been happening in. with a big fans there to keep people out and poland why just to be part of an institute i can see the financial now incentives as you would have it isn't close to what jacob riis more might say surely with time for britain to leave well without going into he was detail but initially it was a common market it was a matter of selling potatoes to each other better profits i suppose of that sort of thing and then they would be in the union has developed into a body which protects environmental standards working standards you know working time directive as i think up wards there was a war in yugoslavia and you know and you know i'm sure that they once members of the time of course but still there's a war in europe that again as well the european union with us is. i'm pro european

and it's a great expense i'm pro use. well they're not entirely divinely is your committee even going to last until twenty nineteen was mostly depends if the government lasts that long you know that i mean the betting of the moments is that you know we lost souls in this problem until twenty twenty two or possibly the next mayor your williams thank you thank you. well fifteen years ago today a leaked memo between u.k. and u.s. spy agencies g.h.q. in the n.s.a. was released to the public a detailed collusion between governments to illegally bugged the united nations in an attempt to swing tony blair's vote to invade iraq a war that would go on to kill wound or displace tens of millions of people a decade and a half on u.k. and u.s. bombing of iraq continues and the story of that whistleblower is becoming a hollywood film starring keira knightley and matt smith former g c h q translator

and whistleblower katherine graham joins me now catherine coming on the show in person if anyone doesn't know who you are arguably they're going to know about you shortly if you think keira knightley playing you in a new film official secrets is going to make more people aware of what you did as a whistleblower and what you went through our hopes yeah i think. i think it's a good. choice and she's going to do a fantastic job out there working with gavin and the producers and hopefully with meeting care very shortly hopefully a film will reach out to people who maybe don't generally look in an alternative direction so i mean this marks fifteen years now since you blew the whistle on g c h q and s a collusion connivance to get us into a war that killed wounded or injured maybe tens of millions of people what does it feel like as i describe it in

a press conference it's like if you see an elderly person struggling with their bags and somebody comes and tries to rob them of their purse or something. what would be your instinct you'd run and try and assess the elderly person if you see a child crossing the road and this traffic coming you try and leap in and grab them it's an instinctive kind of reaction and when i saw that memo. i just thought this is a red flag you know i had no choice i had to do something it was just immediate response of the incident give reaction to break the official secrets act and possibly harm relations between london and washington and to to expose a memo that talked about the u.n. security council and britain's getting into the iraq war now while exposed. wrongdoing expose duplicitous behavior. and you know i think anybody looking back

now there are very few of the people who initially championed the war who were still holding on to the same position i mean i think virtually everybody who at one point thought it was a good idea have now backtracked i mean it was a disastrous decision it was an illegal war. and the email specifically was good we know all about iraq it was about process was well it was about legitimizing the invasion and no billing the un security council. yes intercepting the domestic and office communications of the sixteen nations that was sitting on the un security council at the time in order to bribe them all intimidate more you know embarrass them in however way possible to vote for that second u.n. resolution that would have given the u.s. and the u.k.

that legal cover for a preemptive strike and that that does not exist even to this day there is no legal cover there's no justification for a preemptive strike i was aware of the fact that iraq was not a threat to the u.s. and the u.k. you know it was a country that had suffered years of war years of sanction and they were struggling to pull themselves together again and just finally advice to anyone watching you if you were a military installation or any government in the world you had to do that you live here in britain. what if they're thinking about you right now what should they be focusing on as to whether to go public it's obviously a very personal decision and it's a very difficult decision but i was speaking to matthew hoh who is a former u.s. we had him on the show. and you know that he will tell you that. a lot of evidence pointing out the fact that. suicide levels the rates of suicide

among veterans for example is extremely high it's about six percent higher than the knowledgeable relationship the pain of your being opposed to work at the pentagon to senior levels in afghanistan yes and you know and and they now know that some people don't commit suicide from p.t.s.d. they commit suicide from guilt it's the guilt eating up inside which causes them to take their own lives and we also have the example of larry welk wilkerson who was the senior aides to colin powell and he's told me personally that he's eaten up by guilt because he prepared colin powells brief that went in front of the u.n. . which persuaded vast numbers of people that the invasion was necessary and he is consumed by guilt so now his way of appeasing this is is to

shout as loud as he can about the abuses so don't wait till you yourself are suffering from this. position this malady of being mentally tortured by guilt if you know something if you think it is in the public interest to now please bring it forward and you are not alone because and at the time that i blew the whistle you know there wasn't a trend of whistle blowing as it were and it was for me after i found it very isolating but now there's a community of people there's all kinds of organizations that will help support you and defend you and support your family and so on so it's it's growing. thank you. i hope you enjoyed that episode of going underground for my latest season we'll be back on the eleventh of april for a brand new season of going underground but you can still keep in touch with us

while we're away on facebook twitter and instagram so use of. the u.k. foreign office to leaks a tweet claiming british experts have found the nerve agent used in the script poisoning case was produced in russia. and did other developments about the story the e.u. rejects today russia's proposal for a joint investigation into the attack on the former spy and his daughter claiming that moscow refused to cooperate with london. and also for the headlines russia turkey and iran agree on a joint effort to rebuild syria today but they're also warning to about militant attempts to sabotage the peace process maybe with chemical attacks.