by dollars first that means america gets a commission to use that money away to wars all over the world. welcome back across the uk where all things are considered i'm peter bell to remind you we're discussing toxic relations.

can we go back to jim in washington you know one of the if we can is kind of broaden this out because i think one of the things that's being missed and being lost actually are some very fundamental principles that we expect from the state and our media and those are the presumption of innocence due process and the right to dissent all three or under savage attack by this this cobol of liberal corporate media and governments ok and these three issues that i mentioned are the pillar of western society and they're being crushed go ahead jim. well i guess peter i would say welcome to the twenty first century i mean that's nice to talk about all those needs riches and powdered wig principles in our constitution that we got from our mother country but they simply do not apply anymore you know this was mentioned earlier that the brits will have egg on their face of the proof doesn't come out i don't expect the proof to come out and i don't have any reason

to suppose that the o.p.c. w. will not be as corrupted in this process as the so-called jim jones the best a gate of mechanism was on accusations against syria look let's look at the bigger picture here for over a year we've had this whole russia collusion hysteria going on in the united states where does a trace back to to the russians know to christopher steele at m i six agent who's got a connection by the way this cripple through this orbits outfit in this fellow what pablo miller's his name that that when we look at the relationship between the elements of the american and the and the british deep states the various agencies m i six g c h q f.b.i. cia the other groups here that have been involved in this i would say conspiracy to not only subvert the american election but to make sure that our relations with russia stay worse and getting worse all the time that this is almost in a way a phase two of what we've been seeing for quite some time in terms of a political campaign ok andy i'm going to ask you

a hypothetical question and it's really quite serious is it possible that this incident is just a fabrication but there is no incident because i keep looking at what is being presented to the public and it is so sketchy there's no physical forensic evidence been proved provided to us ok i mean there's even talk that this is a facebook page was accessed when she was in the coma or something like that i mean what happens is and we're not given information to the public then you start kind of rattling your brain like well what does this all mean here i mean it seems to me the. this is what's happening this is how this this whole process is being presented to the public but it does create an enormous amount of doubt at least in some people and i think if you look at the comments under articles written about this there's an enormous amount of skepticism and then they either stop comments or they delete all of the comments i'm not convinced the public is so on board with

this go ahead and. i don't think there is a huge amount of trust no. and in fact i've been invited on to other media outlets and u.k. to discuss this why does seventy or eighty percent of their respondents not trust what the media is saying the. hosts of the shows are honest and actually why should they not be astonished after the the mess of the weapons west structure with iraq and other lies that have happened around intelligence you know torture x. extradition all the rest of it so this is within a context of wider context over the last two decades of distrust of what our governments what our intelligence what our military tells us that's why people are not trusting what's going on moment in this particular case yes there has been an absolute does thought of of any form of intelligence any form of evidence any form of information from the medical team trying to care for the script holes so of

course people are going to be questioning this and there has been a lot of very hard evidence coming out about what the porton down scientific institute might be doing what other institutes around the world might be doing i mean evidence even published in a magazine called the new scientist which is a very prestigious scientific magazine in the u.k. where scientists come together and said actually these so-called novacek family of agents might and have been replicated around the world over the last couple of decades and certainly of the last decade when. they formally were published by the guy who blew the whistle when he defected to america so we have a situation where all this information is out there in the world so far you can government to immediately immediately say it must be russia could only have come from russia because this was developed under the soviet union the one nine hundred seventy s. it's so specious of course people are suspicious you know cherry. you know in all

of this you know what was the what is the made government and the americans what do they expect russia to do under these circumstances if they are not presented evidence of their guilt they're just post the say they're guilty i've never heard that is childish i mean i have no i can't comprehend why they would even do that it's like it's like a maze government is talking to a wall it doesn't want to reply it doesn't want any kind of dialogue here so what are the right what do they expect the russians to do go ahead charles. well of course they expect the russians to do as they have to because the russians had no alternative but to act in a way is to say well we are the accused party until you provide us with some kind of evidence we are in a position to get a comment on that and then russia is taken up further by saying but hey why don't we get bearing in mind the circumstances of this why don't we actually have a joint investigation where we can put our input into and that may actually come to haunt the british side that they haven't actually taken up this opportunity because

of course in the last day or so details of a another potential motive in this case of emerge it's been averted for example got . only a couple of days before this poison attempt was made on her and her father. something like two hundred thousand dollars came into her account from. the sale of father's house through his divorce and yet also it seems that only last year her brother who died supposedly in mysterious circumstances was the beneficiary of that money and so here if these reports are true this could start to really ring panics alarm signals for the british government that actually over here we actually have a potentially alternative motivation for this kind of killing if for example this kind of drug could be a bit st and we hear from the reports that the people concerned had high links to soviet and soviet days intelligence officials and so therefore it may well be that

there is a reason for us to have a joint russian and british investigation so we can that's what you said about the investigation itself the police have been extraordinarily quiet on this they have been no c.c.t.v. is she there's been no descriptions issues and so on i would say perhaps to defend british police if it's possible on this they may be keeping their cards close to their chest because they may be cutely aware of the political pressure that they're likely to be placed under if there's any suggestion that the inquiry is not going to weigh the government wants after all as i mentioned earlier the british government said without doubt there is no. and it's a russian government being blamed so people have a right to ask what chance therefore is that of a nonpolitical pressurised british police investigation of even considering alternative much of a sions and possible it is you know jim just from what charles said right there it sounds like you know that the british authorities the police authorities sound like the f.b.i. during the american campaign intensely politicized corrupt ok again i was talking

about some of the major features of of of the rule of law and the end seems to be tumbling down all over again because you've already drawn your conclusion and you work backwards ok i was in graduate school for a long time that's called bad science and it's actually immoral go ahead jim it is and frankly peter i think that's the the charitable way to interpret this that we're on t.v. i don't think we're on t.v. and. i well i would i would tend toward the other thing is that the people making these accusations themselves do not believe them and in fact know that they are not true and if i were in the russian shoes and it's not my job to give them advice but if they're saying well we didn't do it where's the proof we want to join investigation i would turn around say look these two russian citizens were poisoned on your territory great britain within ten miles of your top chemical weapons facility unless we hear otherwise we presume you're responsible for this we demand

proof that you're not. look this idea that somehow they're british are just sort of jumping to a conclusion i think it's much too fair here and to fair to the american government as well i think there is a deliberate provocation going on and i do too and that they know that they're making false charges just this isn't the case of the w m d's in iraq i think most of the people making those accusations knew full well that saddam hussein did not have w m d's but they were making the accusation anyway because it serves their purpose well jim they never would have invaded if there were weapons of mass destruction that's logical ok they never would have done it that's why they did it because they were there any you told me before on this program that city gate was under the protection of the british authorities is there going to be any kind of snafu about that they were actually supposed to be protecting him right. of course i mean he was a high value agent an asset working in russia for ten years he was reporting agent names back to m i six so people keep calling him a double agent he wasn't he was

a british agent right they've been turned and betrayed russia so that's the situation he was in but you know the russians rinse him clean of information for they released him of course m i six nation of course when they received him that's why they allowed him to go free pension tomorrow mass allows him to live an open life so you know again in terms of motivation why on earth would the russians try and kill this guy now when he's been you know free for years he's been . i would always said for many years i think charles would probably agree with this in terms of motive it's going to be down to something he would be working in now in the last eight years where it's been living in the u.k. now if you was involved in the christmas tilt of ca that might lead to motivation he might even work with other people as well we just don't know i would hope that the intelligence agencies and the police would be investigating those leads at the

moment trying to work out who actually much has a motive to time carry out. any i mean let me go to charles here a very considerable sort of this program i mean libyan authorities are not looking for alternative under motives because once you're in certainly you have the culprit there is no it's like o.j. simpson ok you know you know he did it ok. you know why would the authorities look for the killer of his wife and her friend they don't know he did it ok in this case here they've already determined the outcome so why would they why would they even look for alternatives go ahead. well it may be i mean but the british police is is perhaps one of the least politicized police forces in the world i speak as many years as having worked in the british police and of course i know full well they can be susceptible to political pressure and it can you can imagine a situation where there's more political pressure than this where the government is declared absolutely certainly that russia did it but it may well be that one of the

reasons why they rushed to take action before the police investigation is because they actually suspect there may be a chance the police investigation won't prove their case and certainly i think the police will be wanting to look at alternatives if only to dismiss them and so we even though i agree with what you're the logic of what you're saying that it seems that the government has without any doubt already come to its conclusions before any investigation we should wait as should the british government of waited of course in the american government all those are followed it should await the outcome of the british investigation and then if necessary we can pick holes in it and see where they are on the way they've gone right but let's await the british investigation and let's wait see what the i.p.c.c. w. says well i suspect the matter what the british investigation say it will be spun to support when they were in the report comes out we're going to have you all back again many thanks and i guess in london brussels and in washington and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r.t.c. unix time and remember cross talk world's.

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