again as well the european union was there. i mean pro european and to a greater extent i'm pro you as well though not entirely divinely is your committee even going to last until twenty nineteen which mostly depends if the government lasts that long you know that i mean the betting at the moment is that you know we last saw this problem until twenty twenty two or possibly the next mayor of your williams thank you thank you. well fifteen years ago today a leaked memo between u.k. and u.s. spy agencies g.h.q. in the n.s.a. was released to the public a detailed collusion between governments to illegally bugged the united nations in an attempt to swing tony blair's vote to invade iraq a war that would go on to kill wound or displace tens of millions of people a decade and a half on u.k. and u.s. bombing of iraq continues and the story of that whistleblower is becoming a hollywood film starring keira knightley and matt smith former g c h q translator

and whistleblower katherine graham joins me now catherine coming on the show in person if anyone doesn't know who you are arguably they're going to know about you shortly do you think keira knightley playing you in a new film official secrets is going to make more people aware of what you did as a whistleblower and what you went through our hopes yeah i think. i think it's a good. choice and she's going to do a fantastic job out there working with gavin and the producers and hopefully with meeting care fairly shortly hopefully affair will reach out to people who maybe don't generally look in an alternative direction so i mean this marks fifteen years now since you blew the whistle on g c h q and s a collusion connivance to get us into a war that killed wounded or. really tens of millions of people what does it feel

like well as i describe it in a press conference it's like if you see an elderly person struggling with their bags and somebody comes and tries to rob them of their purse or something what would be your instinct you'd run and try and assess the elderly person if you see a child crossing the road and this traffic coming you try and leap in and grab them it's an instinctive kind of reaction and when i saw that memo. i just thought this is a red flag you know i had no choice i had to do something it was just immediate response of helen's had active reaction to break the official secrets act and possibly harm relations between london and washington and to to expose a memo that talked about the u.n. security council and britain's getting into the iraq war now while exposed.

wrongdoing expose duplicitous behavior. and you know i think anybody looking back now i think there are very few of the people who initially championed the war who are still holding on to the same position i mean i think virtually everybody who at one point thought it was a good idea have now backtracked i mean it was a disastrous decision it was an illegal war. and the e-mail specifically was good we know all about iraq it was about process was well it was about legitimizing the invasion and you know billing the u.n. security council. yes intercepting the domestic and office communications of the six nations that was sitting on the un security council at the time in order to bribe them all intimidate more you know embarrass them in however way possible to vote for that second u.n. resolution that would have given the u.s. and the u.k.

that legal cover for a preemptive strike and that that does not exist even to this day there is no legal cover there's no justification for a preemptive strike i was aware of the fact that iraq was not a threat to the u.s. and the u.k. you know it was a country that had suffered years of war years of sanction and they were struggling to pull themselves together again and just finally advice to anyone watching you if you were military installation or any government in the world to go out into the country living here in britain walk if they're thinking about it right now what should they be focusing on as to whether to go public it's obviously it's a very personal decision and it's a very difficult decision but i was speaking to matthew hoh who is a former u.s. regrettable if you're yeah and you know that he will tell you that. a lot of evidence pointing out the fact that. a suicide levels the rates of suicide

amongst veterans for example is extremely high it's about six percent higher than the. not about really should be paid if you're being opposed to work at the pentagon as in the levels yeah afghanistan yes and you know and and they now know that there are some people don't commit suicide from p.t.s.d. they commit suicide from guilt. it's the goat eating up inside which causes them to take their own lives and we also have the example of larry welk wilkerson who was the senior aide to colin powell and he's told me personally that he is eaten up by guilt because he prepared colin powells brief that went in front of the u.n. . which persuaded vast numbers of people that the invasion was necessary and he is consumed by guilt so now his way of appeasing this is is to

shout as loud as he can about the abuses so don't wait till you yourself are suffering from this. position this you know a malady of being mentally tortured by guilt if you know something if you think it is in the public interest to know please bring it forward and you are not alone because and the time that i blew the whistle you know now wasn't the trend of whistle blowing as it was and it was for me after i found it very isolating but now there's a community of people that has all kinds of organizations that will help support you and defend you and support your family and so on so it's it's growing. thank you. i hope you enjoyed that episode of going underground for my latest season we'll be back on the eleventh of april for

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. to injury kissinger once said the brochure on the unite. it states went into the ukrainian crisis acting rationally based on mutual misconception with tensions heightened over the scruple case all the sides guided by misconceptions. misrepresentations. they've been waiting for a long time because it talked about the dollar that this world reserve currency countries are tired of funding in america's wars because ever there's got to be trained in dollars including oil to buy oil got to buy dollars first means america gets a commission. to wage wars all over the world. facebook

admits that data belonging to nearly all of its two billion users may have been accessed improperly and that around eighty seven million accounts were breached by the research firm cambridge analytic of. the u.k. foreign office it deletes a tweet claiming a british experts had pinpointed russia as the source of the nerve agent used in the script paul poisoning case. the e.u.

rejects russia's proposal for a joint investigation into the poisoning of double agent sergei screwed paul and his daughter. and russia turkey and iran agree on a joint effort to. builded syria and warns of attempts by militants to sabotage the peace process. all right broadcasting live direct from our studios in moscow this is. thomas certainly glad to have you with us and facebook has admitted that the scale of a personal data breach involving the research firm cambridge analytic was far larger than previously estimated artie's came up and has. but we now have facebook admitting that most of its two billion users probably had their information

revealed in an unauthorized manner now when the new york times first broke the story in mid march we heard that it was fifty million fifty million users of facebook that had their information handed over to cambridge analytic now we later heard that it was eighty seven million people who had their facebook profiles handed over to this research firm and that the majority of them were in the united states now the firm that has been using this information it's called cambridge and a little and essentially it does data collection and polling and analysis for political parties political campaigns and groups they use this information essential to craft their messaging craft their campaigning in a way that would be persuasive they kind of create a psychological profile of a vote potential voters based on what they have collected from facebook and social media they then use that information to craft their campaign advertising their

messaging etc and now the data harvesting happened in a tacit agreement with facebook now facebook says they had no malicious intent. however this has really hurt their reputation the government of germany actually went as far as asking for a clarification from facebook for an explanation we also have seen the trend delete facebook all over social media with people you know tweeting out you know delete facebook calling for people to stop using facebook in response to this perceived you know dissemination of people's personal information we now have an apology from mark zuckerberg the chief of facebook this is what he said we need to make sure that there aren't any other cambridge general because out there right or folks who have been properly access data you know we need to make sure that we don't make that mistake every. again so at this point it's revealed that essentially almost all of facebook's two billion users probably had some of their

information access without their permission in an unauthorized manner now that's very very big and a lot of questions are being asked now we do know that facebook is now in the process of changing their apps so that certain apps are more protected and that the privacy of their users is more protected but as we see you know this call for for facebook to be deleted for people not to be used to using facebook is expanding so a lot of questions are being raised and it's certainly true that the reputation of this very widely used social media app is is severely tarnished are we asked internet law expert yeah your cohen and media analyst timothy car for their views on the facebook data scandal. kember generally the guys denying the figure they claim there is only thirty million but i don't think it makes a lot of for the from the very thirty million to late in the year and i think it is

the principle behind the old story about but what about the use of internet robots as we call them boats in order to meddle with the us elections not the bills there is a little bit of they are a little bit ridiculous nobody is talking about it but it was very interesting to hear his desire to beg only a couple of weeks ago. almost apologizing for allowing them to leave the boxes today that it was them being you doing election is the the story was about influencing election but by body. rather than access the news is they've done locally this is a company that routes so rapidly that the people who are managing facebook lost control of their creation and the whole business model of facebook is built on this idea that they they collect highly targeted data on their users and then sell that

data to advertisers and others and i think there just wasn't enough oversight of that process facebook don't want to say that they can they can police themselves internally they can solve these problems with their own oversight that i think that you know there's a legitimate reason that that's not good enough that we need to look at a new regulatory framework that will protect the privacy of users of social media not just facebook but people go on google and other popular platforms. the u.k. foreign office has deleted a tweet saying experts at a military lab had confirmed the nerve agent used in the screwball poisoning case was produced in russia artie's an associate you're going to reports now from westminster for an office has deleted a tweet that it had initially posted.