diplomatic relations what's the next step it's war. usually now a few weeks ago they had a russian intelligence and security services visited washington to be have also just seen a former cia had being designated as the next secretary of state doesn't mean that spies or former spies are now taking over the roles that were previously have reserved for career diplomats well i don't like the way our spies. in the intelligence office and services yes the beat the beat the people at the more correct i think it's normal that what once president any challenge yourself this is around. president bush the not the junior the senior it said once that all decent people served in the intelligence services but they we also have made a good quality diplomat so i think yes you are. joking of course but i think that the intelligence intelligence officers there are qualified people that qualified

diplomats if they served in the. ministry of foreign affairs each country now can i bring you back to your initial statement about the war on our doorsteps i don't know if you would agree with me but i think the russians have a somewhat different attitudes toward the war even compared to the europeans let alone the americans because the americans have long been isolated or insulated from conventional calls like by their job or a few russians i think have a much more visceral reaction to a threat of war if that scenario of a major. conflict. were to transpire what are you seeing would launch the opening salvo. not russia not russia that's a clear but. seeing that all the logic of the.

latest events defied the defect. russia is getting ready is getting ready for anything i mean these are a form of the armed forces weak wittman of the armed forces which actually started after. unique speech where he actually there it to challenge the so-called american leadership there was in my opinion the gist of this i'm not sure he even challenges you simply expressed his criticism or how that leadership transpires in the case of more in the middle he know the speech this speech was not know that that poli and he openly said that the one ball the world that is dangerous but is not necessarily something that americans disagree with for example president obama in different words also express that idea that the united states does not have to dictate nineteen's will or to the other

countries and present trying by the way also in he's special way articulated that idea to some extent i don't agree or read the national strategy or a bomb or nuclear posture review them erica united states is an exceptional nation and united states should be in the elite eason billy should be in the lead and will be in the lead the being in believe does not necessarily mean being the. global cop i mean there is a degree of difference because. for me being in the lead means being the global cop and for the military people when a president or supreme commander says i'm with believe you should follow that means that they should follow his example and they should follow his orders and commands and i think vice and i suppose that would be unacceptable to many works people in russia why do you think russia of all the other countries cannot accept this kind

of logic because you know they're caught. her argument is that this is a relatively small economy this country has lots of its internal challenges why doesn't care about whatever the united states doesn't the world. for the military people this argument about about small small percentage of the russian economy and the world economy well to me doesn't sound. well. it doesn't sound to talk because. if if any war happens it will be war like the second world war it will be a war they say week maximal and the size of the economy and the size of the economy will and went ok well mr brzezinski we have to take a very short break now but to be back in just a few moments stay tuned. the

war don't you on the idea that dropping bombs brings peace to the chickenhawk forcing you to fight the battle. to stop trying to tell you that the gossip in public life. i'm telling you who are not my problem. are the hawks that we along with all good fun. welcome back to well the party of guinea burzynski chairman of the board of the

peer center and mr brzezinski mainly in russia believe that this curious case of this great pals is connected to the syrian war theater the high concentration of the russian then american maybe's in there rather mediterranean sees the fear that the united states may strike syria once again do you see any connection there well well of course the the chemical issue is is in fashion i would say. well if has been always connected with syria the syrian government is using chemical agents against civilian population against children elderly we just course is to me is nonsense since the syrian government actually. eliminated all the all the stock by a lot of chemical agents in its possession but of course some

objects reach or not the control of the syrian government seven seven seven years ago they were in the hands of the islamic radical islamic groups terrorists so. seeing that all these provocations. again i say they were very poorly organized and staged when for example the latest lead is a case of the electorate used of chemical weapons which followed by the us try to remember that harshly when the interrelation who in the u.s. were allegedly serry in was use. but people without messed with. well proper clothing traveling just breezing. i'm sure you heard that just recently yes the defense secretary mr mattis said that the united states after having to try

its trick in that country actually doesn't have evidence to support the claims that sarin was in there. you see it as a military to me even that strike was something extremely strange first of all south of the house of cruise missiles disappeared second the second you see the strike itself was. absolutely unclear to anybody just what was he actually sorry or for them a syrian blades runway is not damaged no shelters them nothing was their mistake i mean it may sound funny but it actually i think is very very dangerous because it shows that you don't need much to strike another country and with tomahawk missiles you don't even need that we fight to protect this way that's why i think general your estimate of americans again seven that they will strike the center of damascus

. chemical attack happens in eastern guta general get i soon made that absolutely clear and he made it more clear as far as i know during his follow up on the station telephone conversation with the. chief of general dunford and p. explain to you what may happen if they strike and this waiting they didn't strike now the u.k. government is now very loud about the so-called show of solidarity that some european countries demonstrated in the aftermath of the cripple case but i think there was there's also a very interesting and very unusual example of turkey and they don't member siding with russia on this specific case and i think turkey is a very very special case because you mentioned all the publications before that i think turkey did play a role in if not organizing some of those partitions and then at least covering for that why what's the significance of turkey being on the russian side this time

around i think. turkey first of all is one of the major players in the area second turkey is our neighbor. their key is quite a strong country economically militarily and even. politically. to have the gun and to have turkey on our side is very important yes at the beginning of the conflict and when the spiral of the conflict. developed we actually the peak was the when they shut down our aircraft and our people were killed afterwards sanctions afterwards well a lot of mutual ecu zation but then it seems to me that president putin explained the president of the gun that it's better to be to be together and to there that

the unsuccessful attempt on president of the guns a life and president that are going to sure that that was your lead and with the assistance of the americans there of course. i would say to some extent bush. our door our side now the russian president just visit the turkey and he specifically said there that is going to expedite the delivery of the f. four hundred air defense systems to. and as you were just said turkey is not an easy partner for russia and i don't think anyone in the kremlin takes whatever a. government has to say at face value i think there still has a lot of mistrust between the two capitals don't you think that the deliveries of the asked for hundreds to turkey may backfire against russia by then i don't think it may backfire i think if i still have doubts that the delivery will be completed

because the pressure on dorky from from from americans from need to from other european countries extremely strong you know as one of the years ago as one of the sectors of defense told me that there was a. a russian try to sell a helicopter are still there and the competition was between a come of and there goes the bell tower come of course gulp fifty was faster stronger more better armed you know estimates were better but of course that then there was one by the across the belt and then a guy told me general you see you may sell turkey rifles a c v's. if you are obese is even banks but you will never sell

them aircraft helicopters washee ups and they craft systems because it's not just military sales but that nickel milter corporation it's public but for some reason present the present there the one is very insistent on pursuing that politics why do you think he himself that's me makes me optimistic so since it seems to me that president the guy wants to diversify he is it is especially empty craft essence he doesn't want to be. purely dependent on the on the american the quick now turkey is also pursuing its own military offensive in northwest syria and north east syria rather and there are concerns about the humanitarian aspects of that operation as well as staircase long term plans for syria do you think russia has a control. or will you see. i cannot

second by president but when president putin says that care of this people is part of the syrian people and has all the right that there are in its own fate but syrian state should be united the terror though integrity of syria is not questioned by russia. it seems to me that in these huge story along between the turks and the kurds there is government and the kurds russia now takes some neutral position and by the way. as far as i can guess the what the what the russian we say to the carrots guys you have a choice reach say that they you. or gave the lead with them you mean they it's i mean i can force now you mentioned already. the just recently u.s.

president done all trump announced his intention to pull the american forces out of syria reach some have interpreted as sort of a representation being had of another offensive or at least some sort of pressure on iran they're also. israel and saudi arabia retreat clamoring for some sort of action against iran if that comes to pass what position do you thing russia should take. well. i don't think russia with object if americans withdraw because first of all if they withdraw to attack iran or will. well that is to start a great war and to be at least not not in the middle east as well so they had the conference the president the defense minister on seven it's actually the part of asia it's not just middle east near east so it will be did the great war in their

part of the world and you see it's like it's like korean peninsula. ok and who is most to suffer or is there the self that we care that much about. here but steel and here they strike around the core who will be the. well. come true we'll be suffering but i mean that mr brzezinski there is a great difference between and i think the korean case and the case israel and iran because south korea is doing everything possible to avoid any military confrontation it's actually mean to hitting with north korea and the americans the position of resume is very different israel is clamoring for some sort of hostile action and i'm not talking about these around talking about also the arabia because . israel which is. mostly the

actions of their acting in concert i think we can agree on that i don't know ok ok but. still still iran is not not they we can trade not the country we should be effect and destroy one strike if if they strike iran it will be a war it will be a war and quite lengthy war and anything russia will remain neutral in that war or do you think it will try to you i don't think i don't think we will interfere militarily on the side and i don't think because we don't have any legal treaty of mutual assistance i think russia may. take a role as maybe there and as but i don't think russia will interfere well mr brzezinski we have to leave it there it's been a great pleasure talking to you thank you very much for a time to you and to our viewers please keep the conversation going on our social media pages as for me same place same time here on worlds apart.

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for a joint investigation into the poisoning of double agent said he. and his daughter . and russia turkey and iran agree on a joint effort to rebuild syria and warn of attempts by militants to sabotage the peace process. and for the latest on these stories into the r t v dot com stay with us now to cross talk debating the poisoning case. hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered. words have consequences and threatening actions can be very dangerous this is the atmosphere engulfing the west relations with russia the poisoning incident in the u.k.

has yet to be explained to the public but this is not stop the british and american governments from playing the role of judge jury and executioner. ross talking toxic relations i'm joined by my guest charles shu bridge in london he is a security analyst and former u.k. army and counterterrorism intelligence officer in brussels we have any machine on she is a former british intelligence officer and writer and in washington we cross to james jatra see is a former advisor to the us senate republican leadership all right as always crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate any let me go to you first in brussels you know the lot you were only on last week but the more we learn about what happened with this poisoning incident there's only been one thing that has been consistent russia did it everything else keeps changing very fluid except for the conclusion reflect upon that any place

well the more we know you know the less we know apparently because we have a situation where one the police had to build up another dental chain to they had to identify the substance three had to find a motive but forget all that in terms of a classic investigation technique within a few hours the british media was saying it must be in russia because he's a russian spy and within a week the russian government saying it was russia so we have a situation where things have escalated to ask control hugely fast ways and to date a month later we still don't even know exactly how the so-called substance was applied to these two people it was supposed to be incredibly toxic substance but two of the victims have survived and of recovering and scriptural himself is apparently in a stable condition and three we still don't know washington involved in which might

create a motive over the last eight years since had safe haven as a former m i six agent finding safe sanctuary having a pension in the u.k. so the whole thing is a mess the fact that the british government rushed in to condemn russia is a mess the fact that they have apparently shared so called into. with other allies in order to strong on the men to trying to make sure that they expel that is a mess and it's just escalating and it's metastasizing in a really frightening when you have international relations with you know you know channels so what one of the tragedies of all this is that how do you walk this back because you the british government in the american government have invested themselves so much into this before there was an investigation before there was discussion of evidence it's almost impossible for them to walk back now i mean they've got this story and if they can't prove they'll say just trust us which fewer people actually do that anymore they've actually boxed themselves in and this

is what i think is going to be very dangerous because if evidence is we have this chemical weapons organisation if they don't back this up ok there's going to be a lot of egg on a lot of people's faces and with the political environment in the u.k. that will not be permitted go ahead charles yes of course some of us have argued in the past and i know you covered it yourself of course why would the british and the americans wait for an investigation because they decided to take certain actions as we know to put in chain this as you pointed out largely unstoppable train of expulsions and actions against different countries taken action against russia why would they wait for an investigation if there's any possibility it's all so that investigation may not produce the results that they want and then if they don't produce the results that the government wanted of course they then couldn't take those actions what's bizarre to me is that perhaps trying to fend off these kind of

criticisms in the last few days the united kingdom kingdom government has actually hardened its position if you look at the statements coming from the foreign office from the british ambassador in moscow and so on it seems that any doubt whatsoever that the russian government is responsible for this has been removed british government and a foreign office and specifically explicitly said over the long. a few days repeatedly so we're not supposed to consider the message there is no doubt that the russian government was responsible for this but actually of course there is a great deal of doubt and i think people understand this not just in russia but also amongst european capitals now we've got a situation where and he is quite right to mention that the. the suggestion has been and sunny one has been counted a lot by the british media that if you are paying capital some of them not all of them have backed the british government in its assessment publicly at least then they must have been shown convincing evidence and yet we can see from the comments of for example some german politicians and also the czech president himself was

saying he backed the explosions because you need to stand with an ally when he asks you to stand with them he said very pointedly we need to see evidence and that suggests very strongly to me that they actually haven't been shown evidence that they have just backed britain because britain has very pointedly asked them to do so and allies stand with allies but eventually britain is going to have to produce some evidence and if it doesn't you're right it's going to be on people's face and i think jim you know what charles would say that i think that's really where the us angle is i think of course london was elbowing european capitals to follow but the americans when they put their foot down particularly when it comes to nato people begin to get all fall in line what's really interesting is that the media spin is that there is unity in the atlantic alliance actually the the it's actually just the opposite there isn't a whole lot of unity there there are members of nato said they're not going to expel and senators and they're not going to get into this parlay here so i mean if you were honestly to take

a look at it the elbowing and pushing people around has not been nearly as effective i think as london washington had hoped for go ahead jim. well that's right if peter of charleston and he will indulge me a little yankee arrogance here i've always liked to think of the u.k. as our poodle but it seems in this case the americans or the british model that they throw these accusations out there show us no proof whatsoever but the americans say well if it's good enough for our british friends it's good enough for us and that's what's got at least most of the allies going through the motions you notice that the vast majority of russian diplomats that were thrown out came from the united kingdom from the united states from ukraine and then you look at the continent one or two here and there before m h country and then several countries like bulgaria and grace that every refused to do so so i think that the united states is the necessary muscle you have to back up the british accusations to get these other countries intimidated and on board but what you know this this is

a way is like tony blair's swearing by the american allies on. iraq except now we're doing it just because our british friends say so well anyhow you know obviously a great place really well into the russia russia russia nonsense going on in the states i mean this is one of the reasons why people are pushing it because it dovetails very nicely into the the russian bogeyman on the stage ok i've watched the coverage in the us on the cable stations and hasn't gotten a whole lot of coverage but it what it does is that it's basically says well they're there they go again up to their nasty stuff that's how it's in played they're not nearly the same it has been in the u.k. what is to resume's the goal in all of this i mean. you know over the last few days a anti-aircraft talian has returned to germany that was withdrawn at the end of the cold war i mean is this where we're going to go here because i can tell you if they were if the nato wants to fight in

a conflict with russia it will pay very dearly for the i always tell my viewers here listen to the words no. the bluster because russia is prepared go ahead. now i think it's very interesting that against altenburg who's the head of nato right moment was one of the first people to say very clearly after the u.k. claimed it must be russia that we need to wait for proof and manual macron also did that first week after this attack but france was also very rapidly pulled into line to sign up and say no no the u.k. knows that russia carried out this attack so this is going on i think there might be two strands here first of all the u.k. wants to puff itself up like an animal under threat to look bigger because it's got brakes it going on it's got trade wars going on it's been expelled from. choice so it's under threat as a country but secondly it wants to try and project its.