well be the first of all what i find completely bizarre is that practically from day one all of the british media all of it i stress have been covering this story in the exactly the same way sometimes in the exactly the same words and phrases now i'm sorry but how does the free media work here who is giving the instructions who is giving the orders because i find it very difficult to imagine let's say you know one hundred two hundred three hundred journalists report in the exactly the same way and basically guess most of the things that are happening and provide no proof when told i thought that was very strange secondly what i found absolutely bizarre is that we were told right from the start that this was supposedly a nerve agent the military grade nerve agent which for some reason was called not

the chalk which was by the way not that york was never developed in the soviet union it was something that was invented in america but if that was a military grade nerve agent right by now both this cripples and the policeman to supposedly save the lives would be long dead there is no way they would have survived but so that point solving problems yeah i missed all the attention of the media well they it seems like a miraculous recovery here let me let me go to marcus it seems to me that boris johnson the foreign secretary he's suffering from porton down syndrome ok because i got what is his story we have tweets being deleted at the foreign ministry here he had he was categorically informed that this was a nerve agent that came from russia and of course we find out that it's not true why does he still have his job marcus well. sin is completely and utterly

inept and while there are calls for him to resign over his statements on what happened in so spree of course he's not going to resign because if he resigned that would be an admission of guilt on his behalf and of course the british government's case against russia over so was probably would be all the more weakened but also theresa may is not going to sack him because if she did sack him then that would initiate a very very vicious response from the right wing of the conservative party because the right wing of the conservative party is very supportive of voice johnson so simply bush johnson is not going anywhere but that said even if he was to resign even if he was to be sacked his successor would keep to the same narrative and if i can very quickly just set the scene anyone who's familiar with the history of anglo

russian relations was not surprised by how within a few hours of the tragic events in seoul spree the british government and british mainstream media would blame in the russian state because ever since diplomatic relations were established between london and moscow in fifteen ninety five russia has been viewed in whitehall in westminster as almost the devil incarnate over five hundred years or so the ground has been set in britain to make any accusation against russia by a british politician or british mainstream journalists and they don't need evidence to back it up you know patrick you know mark has used the term the case against russia what is the case here all i can see is on the international stage is a lot of elbowing a lot of pressure being put on when we had with the the o.p.c. w. decision. if you look at all the membership it is a. lobel membership but it was the people that wanted to make sure that russia

wasn't part of the process either are in nato or in the european union lot an american asian they were they did know along with it all it's intensely politicized and so what is the case because i haven't been given any evidence yet ok but it seems like it's already gone to trial and the same people that brought to trial the jury go ahead patrick yeah it's a curious case imagine the prosecutor makes the accusations against the defendant but won't allow the defendant to see the evidence and is presumed guilty straight out of the gate it's absolutely incredible but you know let's look at this where did this term nova chuck come from and this is really interesting and this is something that's kind of casually glossed over by the media there is no there's very little evidence of any program or anything called nova trucks even in back to the soviet union chemical weapons research and development days so what it is is

a g.v. class which is a two three two three zero two two six zero of agents and the reason this term nova chalk has been thrown out i think people need to look at this it is to deflect from the fact that your first guest pointed out alexander the united states is the only one to develop this at edgewood proving grounds the united states army's biological and chemical weapons proving grounds in edgewood maryland in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight this was published in nist ok so the united states for this class which is not a nova chuck nova truck was a term invented by a russian defector published in his book in two thousand and eight so this this is a really important point because it deflects from the fact that the united states itself is the one nation on record who has developed and worked on this class of nerve agents that is publicly known. you know alexander it's to date there has

been no transparency just accusations unfortunately i have to believe that we're not going to ever get any evidence whatsoever it will always be shrouded and it will because it's this is really not about the attacker apparent attack on two people one former double agent and his daughter but this is about pushing forward an agenda very nefarious one at that because i don't see this is just one step in a process ok and so this is why i don't think we'll ever get any kind of transparency on this case go ahead alexander well as you know appease the fifteen years ago and now the prime minister stood up in the coalmines made up by the gay sions about chemical weapons against iraq and also called to tell the agencies and said you can't reveal the details and then the war happened and the million people or more died and so on and we're still don't know anything how would work so i think we're in

a similar situation now with another prime minister also i think to be honest with you peter i think there is no nerve agent i agree it was no no not over there until you got i mean anybody making up and give me advice and i agree up go ahead you know you know why i say this because you know when i watched the. chief executive giving his take on this so-called norbi choke and i felt the reason why he said. is because there is none i mean what do i mean what the humean we understand what it came from ever if the top professionals of course they're told that there is nothing to for them to examine and when i saw all those you know porton down boys dressed up in those fancy defensive good walking around and there on them bosses by him corpse was looking. you know we're going through i thought this is

a friend to friends of the responses they're just making it look as if. it's certainly going to be that it's certainly good for the cameras isn't it ok marcus let me go to let me go to you jeremy corbett is being pilloried for this is well and i find that's a very i mean because there's so many elements as we have nato we have the european union we have break and we have the labor opposition and they're turning this full blast against him in a very shameful i'm a conservative he's the way to the left of me but what the media is doing to him is shameful go ahead marcus well ever since germany corbin became an m.p. in nineteen eighty three he has consistently called out british from policy he's consistently called out american foreign policy he has consistently challenge the british mainstream media and history shows that he has been correct he was correct about what happened in the former yugoslavia he was correct about what happens in

iraq he was correct about libya he was correct about ukraine and he was correct about syria but what i believe all the more frightening about how british mainstream media is treating him is the level of abuse yes because yes they have tackled him over the last you know years but the person who abuse against him is absolutely horrific being called a traitor being called a putin apologist this is not something which should be tolerated in britain because after all britain is supposed to be a democracy there is supposed to be rule of law there is supposed to be respect in british politics but when it comes to corbin none of that is there and we have to ask why is that the case and it's very very simple because jeremy corbyn terrifies the british establishment sees it have a government is a genuine reform. it's british mainstream they don't want him to be prime minister

he's a genuine threat to them and also he's a genuine politician he's a genuine human being and regrets not because like many many would like a i agree in the politics in the going to jump in here gentlemen we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on toxic politics stayed with r.t. . and there are some was some upset all of them. i don't. know.

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let's go back to plymouth patrick can you kind of give us the the lay of the land when it comes to international politics i'm talking about the e.u. bragg's it and nato here because i think these are very important pieces that they're trying to bring into this story here basically trying to keep some semblance of unity when there it is flagging everyone knows that go ahead patrick. you know. the to dogs were unleashed yesterday in the british press on theresa may and boris johnson so they in a way they've kind of sprung their own trap in this sense so it's possible that if the stablished wanted to bury the embarrassment of the nova chalk hoax or the nova truck story that may and boris could very well be eventually buried with that or attached to that but then on the other hand the great breaking ranks in germany

angela merkel's one of her close deputies has come out and basically. criticised britain for invoking this kind of solidarity of faith between the e.u. or nato member states to sort of accept some sort of presumption of guilt on the basis of no evidence at all so of willy the former vice president of the the o.c.d. he put this very well he said this threatens to undermine these very multilateral institutions in other words if you cry wolf that this time be able to actually do it again they're already on thin ice as you mentioned earlier with regards to libya and so forth so this is really risky in terms of evoking this kind of stay. and with your allies mantra this is kind of the overriding theme so far we've seen with the united states doing as well coming in right behind britain on this as well as

its nato partners so that's that's how it looks geo politically you know alexander i found it really quite extraordinary looking at the us state department spokeswoman just taking a maze word i mean you don't do that in international politics you don't do it when the stakes are so high like this it is just the lack of professionalism and it adds to the perception that this is some kind of agenda that's being played out here and it also if we could get it go go back to the u.k. you know i mean with with briggs it in chaos here it looks like them a government is trying to find unity you know accusing russia of changing the narrative here and trying to rebuild her strength in the polls which are flagging go ahead alexander. well what i find completely puzzling is that this until russian stance by the maid government is not popular amongst the british public i can see that by the comments on social media i meet a lot of people who recognize me on the streets because they see me on television

and they tell me they don't believe may and pro-government and this is what i find completely puzzling as regards the sort of public relations exercise but my opinion piece is that i think that trying to bury bricks it i think that what that doing is that trying to create this so-called friend exact really coming from russia they say the war has been brought to our territory by russia and the extra war has been taking place i think what they're going to do they're going to basically cancel breck's it and say in the light of such dangerous situation with with the stick with our allies and we better well if not cancel brecht's but they extend the transition period which is a devastating to the station period because it was negotiated in the way that i find it's completely incompetent from the position of the british government and

don't forget there are many many other. serious problems and scandals in the background including the paedophiles can those the corruption scandals with huge corporations on government called took suddenly going bankrupt and many many others so i think it suits that he's amazed government to have some sort of a huge huge distraction and this is used as a distraction and what they're missing the ministers in the government is that they are not getting popular we have british album that's the most amazing thing markets which is amazing also is that blaming russia i don't care where you are in the west western world rochelle i. meddled in the election in the us and gave us trump here russia meddled in bragg's that that's why it happened here we go down the list of so many different things it is the most convenient distraction you can come up with because the media is completely in on it the elites really like it because the

people are right in the western world demand change and they're not being given it they're being told national security trumps their democratic rights and expressions go ahead marcus of london. well wost are not downplaying the significance of what happens in source perry because it is very serious however it is part and parcel of historically speaking a very troublesome very problematic relationship between britain and russia as i said at the beginning of this program for five hundred years britain and russia have used to each other with mutual suspicion mutual hostility mutual bitterness this is part is part and parcel of this relationship but if i can very quickly just because back to so it was pretty you know the conclusion of british scientists that they cannot determine the source of the alleged nerve agent is absolutely

devastating to the british case against russia. within twenty four hours the same scientists said that they have now discovered the source well one of them a mark of britain's are going out of offense you know i'm underage sure but no pressure was put on of oh you know in the word soft tommy in the words of tommy cooper it happened just like. right exactly patrick what what what is the purpose of all of this i mean do they expect russia to say admitting guilt or say sorry i mean and then we have to resume saying there will be a. proportional response what does that mean are they going to poison someone in moscow i mean i what it is is that it's so much bluster here i don't see it it's a very focused thing i mean what is the outcome that they want because if the russians are not allowed to be part of the process of international organisation

not just by laterally but in international organisations you know what is the point of having these organisations in investigations if all of the players under international law cannot go ahead. there's a law. there's a lot going on here obviously on many different levels but i think i'll pick up on your last point you just looked at the emergency meeting with the organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons and a roll call vote was taken and it was twenty three there were seventeen i believe abstentions right so in total twenty three countries either voted against the u.k. and the u.s. position and on sided with with effectively with russia so it's not the world it's nato exactly and i think there is a lot there is a lot of pressure put to bear on some of those countries behind the scenes you have u.n. ambassador nikki haley threatening to be taking names if the vote doesn't go their way but we've seen a record of this undermining multilateral institutions undermining international

relations and the last thing i'll say is that the propaganda has been so thick in the united states and britain that we have a situation now alexander your guest pointed out very correctly that the majority the british public probably don't buy this official conspiracy theory but we have a situation where the ruling class are actually a victim of their own propaganda over decades that many of them in in the westminster actually believe this all probably ask mark is you know what does he think how many m.p.'s actually believe in the conspiracy theory or are being held in a whip line that would be my question and i'd throw them work it's a great question marcus what do you think. i would say that privately they have all a significant percentage of and pays wass not necessarily. saying that russia didn't do it but at the same time they are questioning the british government's all givens and the same and paste from a number of policies all faithful all taken

a stand now that is regrettable we had same pace to take a stance but they all fearful because of the backlash that they would save from british mainstream media. the language which is being used by british newspapers to describe anyone who's question in the british case against moscow is absolutely disgusting you know we haven talk about traitors we haven talk about useful idiots so yes that there is truth of all the number of a pace who privately think very differently. they're not going to say that publicly and unfortunately unfortunately one it was part of the genetic code of professional politicians is cowardice. alexander let me go to you a lot of people have said since this whole thing started this is a gambit to rail russia is that world cup that's coming up in a few months to try to get some kind of well the international community will

boycott it meaning that the western countries ok nato and american allies do you think that's part of this here that's one of the reasons why it's being pushed so hard without evidence without the due process of law go ahead alexander. well obviously it's part of the game i don't think it's the main part of the game or because the there was an election in russia before and so on but what i find absolutely ridiculous is that they are saying that russia actually had them all to you and they use this word over and over again what is the motive. what is the motive that saying the more while the motive is allegedly big. throwing from the support or supporting the russian i would. respond and i was responding to them and saying do you actually believe that the russian people are so bloodthirsty that they need to would unite behind their leadership if they see somebody gets in

poison of all places in britain and this this sounds so bizarre and it's being repeated the by journalists and by politicians and by other people. now i think personally what the biggest lesson from what is going on now in britain is that the media here the press is out of control that it needs to be every form of the media here because what this happening with have a tiny group of people come through ordering the whole of the british media and nobody can do anything about it and basically from the from day one the media already create the agenda and in a sense i even felt that the media books and some of the british and exactly what the politicians want to upgrade to say anything that would come through the well the negative it's russia it's all enemy russia wants to destroy us ok well that

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