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the first thing you notice are groups of young men. locals claim. mostly proof africa they say they form gangs and generally wreak havoc theft is common and it's clear even the police feed this area as problematic within minutes were offered advice from an officer. to see police stopping young men and searching their banks. the locals say terrorized by a group of around sixty juveniles migrants from morocco but because they teenagers the police rarely do anything more than give them a caution before letting go again. with knives to the time of night when the kids don't.
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welcome to worlds apart this careful saga is far from over but it has already had its toll on russia's relations with europe prompting nearly two dozen countries at britain's urging to sound russian diplomats home but as the british narrative continues to unravel can this rush to judgment pave the way to a more measured policy down the line well to discuss that i'm now joined by eric jones director of european and the eurasian studies at johns hopkins university professor jones it's great to talk to you thank you very much for your time well thank you very much for having me on your show now we are in the midst of this really unprecedented u.k. russia rao a rally that has already the entire world involved to be just witnessed pretty heated exchanges at the united nations security council the other day and if you put the political posturing aside what lies between russia and the u.k.
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both geographically and economic plan to some extent politically is europe is it clear to you at this point what stance europe is going to take in this whole controversy well i think i think it's pretty clear that europe has been united in its russian policy particularly since about two thousand and fourteen and that europe has been united particularly in response to this incident so i don't i don't suspect that we're going to see deep divisions emerging in europe either around this issue or or in russia policy more generally a lesser of a substantial material reason for that to happen now you said that europe is united and from what i know it's only about two thirds of the e.u. countries that actually showed solidarity with the u.k. which is not a small number by any means but at the end of the day expelling one two or even four diplomats like germany for example is more symbolic than practical. joe many
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after doing that actually approved both the construction and the alteration of the second and those same pipelines so i wonder you've there is perhaps a bit of a gap between what the european leaders say and russia and the what they actually do so ok but but there's a big gap between what we mean by russia and when what we mean by the russian government right so the particular conflict the screwball conflict is not a conflict between europe and russia per se it's a conflict between european governments and the russian government over what they believe in europe to be russian government actions in a particular european country now does that mean we're going to shut down all relations with russia as a country no but does it mean that we're going to change relations with russia as a government yes and in that context expelling diplomats is not just a symbolic gesture it's a very practical gesture to signal displeasure from one government to another well but if it says you say a very practical gesture i wonder how does it actually address day this thread a few using chemical weapons in europe because i would think that even that was indeed the case of the european governments blood the narrative that the u.k.
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government is now trying to put forward it would call for military action don't you think that expelling a diplomat. to lead for that kind of affront if we tried to solve every problem like this with military action the world would be a much more chaotic place than it is today of course you don't address chemical weapons use only through the expulsion of diplomats the expulsion of diplomats is a symbol of displeasure or discomfort or distaste for one government to another but that symbol is part of a larger process of diplomacy that's aimed to control these weapons of mass destruction to make sure that they're not used in an economy instrumental way in that context i think that's an entirely appropriate response but it's not a complete response and we would expect that this policy would evolve to increase the controls on the use of these types of weapons and to make sure that the prohibition against their use in another country isn't forced but it's not going to be enforced by the other cars. injuries and should be self and forced by the
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governments involved but is it jones i know that you are of the opinion that russia wants to see the e.u. divided or perhaps even dismembered and i wonder if you see a british actions in this cripple case and by that i mean every i have a hand of diplomacy a little bit of arm twisting particularly when it comes to smaller european nations to enforce these so-called solidarity i wonder if you see those type of actions as also contributing to the european divisions because around two dozen countries did expel russian diplomats and ten didn't isn't that a division that. the u.k. how to strengthen ok so let's go back to the initial premise of your question i think the russian government has an interest in dividing europe particular sanctions policy and probably in this case as well because that would seem to the goal of dividing europe would be to diminish the impact of the sanctions or to break their imposition of the european union level i think that's
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a completely legitimate aspiration for the russian government but i don't think that that represents an aspiration of russia as a country to see europe as a political entity divided in a fundamental way i think that there's a very instrumental and very contextual specific so in that context i think i think the fact is that europe seems to be holding together far better than we would have expected particularly since july two thousand and fourteen and that european solidarity in the context of this group ok this is actually quite impressive particular at a time when europeans are having these complex negotiations over britain's desire to leave the european union now as britain leaves the european union that's obviously going to change the economic relationship in europe and it's going to change the political relationship as well but i'm not i'm not convinced that britain's leaving is going to lead to the disintegration of europe in political terms or in economic terms on the contrary i think that there are good signs that suggest both politically and economically that europe is going to keep coming together well the british narrative is a bit shaky to put it politely the u.k. foreign. secretary was already caught lying the house of the victim seems to be
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miraculously improving we are just heard that said again paul is no longer in a critical condition his health is getting better by the day and let's just admit this is not something you would expect after being exposed to supposedly one of the deadliest nerve agents ever created. if that narrative proves to be either falsified or simply inaccurate don't you think that this u.k. after its two. martial european countries around it don't you think that it made backfire against london nobody likes to looks tippett ok so let's put the hypothetical to the side for the moment the fact of matter is i'm not a chemical weapons expert and i'm not a neurobiologist so i don't actually understand how these neuro agents work or what the pathologist would unfold if you were exposed to them and then were to recover later if that's even
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a possibility that's all beyond my knowledge base all i can say is that from a diplomatic level the story that the british have told is a story that has resonated quite clearly in the council of europe and has generated quite a bit of solidarity in terms of european and united states response to what the british have explained they believe in most europeans and americans have accepted it is a russian action on british territory now now the technical side of this aside that solidarity is real now if if this story were to fall apart in some way then there would be a reconsideration of policy but of course when the facts change people's policies change that's what's supposed to happen with be a fundamental fracture between britain and the rest of europe the fact that the facts to change would not change the relationship per se no i and i'm not suggesting it would but i think when ever we talk about solidarity credibility and
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integrity i actually matters and if you were arm twisted into solidarity on false pretext i simply don't think many people would feel good about it even in the countries that traditionally do not have a very good relationship with russia simply because as i said nobody likes to be stupid well i mean let's put the word stupid aside right because i think you have a you have a really interesting question about. what happens when countries are wrong and we have a really good laboratory experiment on that which was the u.s. case for the prosecution of the war against iraq in two thousand and three in that case was predicated on the existence of weapons of mass destruction in iraq controlled by saddam hussein's regime and it was discovered later that that turned out to be wrong now no did that inaccuracy fundamentally change the transatlantic relationship i'm not so sure did it fundamentally change relations with europe because remember europe's europeans were deeply divided over the iraq issue i'm not so sure about that as well. on the contrary i think that in many ways european
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integration is strengthened from the experience and relations across the atlantic and strengthened from the experience because we've all learned that paying attention your allies is a good thing to do and to keep them in board in terms of the communication strategy let's not forget george w. bush's administration in the first instance when the iraq war was prosecuted was actually much more of a go it alone administration the second george w. bush administration set as a priority building and strengthening relations with europe and so i i would argue that when these kinds of mistakes happen the natural thing among friends is to figure out why the mistake happened and then to ensure that they have procedures in place to make sure that those mistakes don't lead to policy mistakes in the future well of president professor jones i would totally agree with you on that even though i think it's worth mentioning that britain also played a very act.
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