hello and welcome across all things considered i'm peter lavelle they came to new wing saw how did three people in solitary survive contamination by a military grade nerve agent london has a lot of explaining to do also nikki haley goes off the rails again what exactly is a normal country. across talking a world in crisis i'm joined by my guest mark sloboda he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have victor allege he's

a political analyst as well as a leading expert at the center for actual politics and we have dmitri bobbitt he is a political analyst with sputnik international ok gentlemen as always crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate victor let me go to you first here using the word saga is an understatement here. bring us up to speed what's going on with this alleged poisoning incident in the u.k. so what has happened this week first of all near oculus li all the victims so-called victims of this poisoning have come back to full most. of these people can not only conscious now not only did he come out of a coma but he can speak his daughter you. know that you'd be fine and the well millions really great. she can speak on the phone she's fine and the thing is the fact is that. that type of chemical that the accused of

russia somehow using against people if that would actually be used they would never be able not only to come out of a corner but they would they would not be alive to be second of all the british government denies these any quest from people's nice to come and visit. and his daughter in london you would want to do yes and one of the eason's given by the british authorities was that. you have enough money maybe she would want to stay in britain no they don't have thought of polish plumbers of course and want to top it all off. topic of several hours ago news came out that the united states is considering taking cityscape and. to its witness protection program in a sort of an alleged crime happened in the u.k. and they're getting witness protection in view in the u.s. and that he isn't going on that he isn't given the officially isn't given is that

the united states would be the best place to prevent further isolation at them so yes it is good but i think that the probably the best place will never find out exactly when there's a confluence of these people mark do we know if said again you want to go to the united states can they be compelled to go to the united states will we ever see them in front of a microphone where we will you ever be able to visit her family in russia again just like jeremy corrigan peter the only reason that you would question any of this is because that you are attacking the united kingdom as part of the russian spin machine that is that is what the british labor party leader jeremy corcoran was accused of doing by the british foreign minister just a little truth is not a priority here if we deem it right well i know the truth is not of importance i think basically you are all needing what happened there was not always in. it was

a tag against the united kingdom by the russian president figuration president ulan of chemical weapons and mark is right you know there is a clique in romes in russia you know you describe what was questioned by the british police. not just eighteen wheeler a bald before go into that head to the u.k. we know one of the versions that the poison was in that block wheat that was brought to screen and he is on his order from russia so you know the police are asking did you notice anything which are said nothing special just when they went to buy this block of the nearby store there was putin in person send it to me because that was the only weird thing that i noticed it was kind of strange you know there actually you know it it's you can make jokes about that but the implications of the story are immense and it is of lack of legitimacy in the british government to tell the truth there actually are victims in this saga first of all it's the parents there's a cat that's that there's a guinea pig that they want to skip over that but the deal victim is the

relationship between russia and the west and the british authorities have obviously chosen route of confrontation with russia they are going they're willing to go. to accuse russia without any evidence not present again yet in the in the court in front of the international community can go it blinking going to be doing their job for though in the rule of law the presumption of innocence innocence before proven guilty and we're going through the the right to dissent it has to be said that the pets died not because of some mysterious nerve agent but because the british government killed them cremated their separate two two for whatever reason of them yes it was recovered and blood because we don't have a fifteen minute memory here let's let's recall that we were told that they were the british soil was attacked by a military grade nerve agent a secret soviet military grade nerve agent that just happened. to be on

a british spy drama earlier in the last year that is ten times more powerful than the v.x. military grade that we were told the new york times called it the nerve agent to deadly to use right the telegraph said we should just let them die anybody sometimes when it comes to what. we but we have an explanation for this because it into politico years began because who is purported to be a chemical weapon and security expert he came up with all kinds of reasons why they could have survived they could have been wearing gloves all three of them it could have been raining it wasn't. it and they could have washed their hands afterwards had magically the nerve agent just disappeared this is you know this technology is really off now you just can't kill the whole obvious but also religion or you create is a good much we're just watching your cans from the military is create all different

kinds in qualities of nerve agent so not only did the russian government commit an attack on a retired old swapped a spy who had already served time in prison and that i mean they had been squeezed by the f.s.b. had been squeezed but not only did they kill him with a super secret soviet nerve agent that would point the glowing trail back to russia but they did it with a sob lethal dose that all three of them survived to this is what we are supposed to mean when you could just drawn the conclusion that this was a publicity stunt to drive a certain agenda and many of those agendas are and the failure of the me government to deal with briggs it. the failure of her own policies among the population as far as public opinion polls and being able to use the the trauma tried in. phobia that always. we want to we want to talk about

a spin machine let's talk about this mission with boris johnson all right when he still lost. he still is really not that at least it was given to the public in the world that it was certainly attributed to russia by the porton down scientists who then later contradicted this that was not a lie though that was he misspoke it was a mistake if he exaggerated slightly it was an. overstatement yes or a gaffe just take your choice that is a spin machine. i'll take he's incompetent indeed you know the problem was that at the very least when boris johnson said that he knew that these weapons were made in russia and that this was made or imprisoned order he expressed explicitly who threw it to don't on the border tree he said that they told him to guy the guy told him right and it was simply just

a brutal liable to see and then they can't that you need to meet yes that's one of the if i was going to delete it i mean we still you know did their own tweet us to over up what they said also what happened when the destroy the new molds when they didn't come to their calls for several days because they didn't know pigs died of starvation well you know you had a police officer standing next to the door for a number of days and he never got to the poisoned exactly i'm not prepared i don't know if that is not if that is not put in with the evidence then would else he said think we have to find out what happened. we don't know the official version according to the secret eventually becomes public knowledge but when that eventuality will happen whether it was a ten years from now is it twenty years from now is it fifty years from now is a big question there's a little footnote to this the british are actually seeing they never apply used in to do it to the so-called know each of their own so they keep thinking. to life

for a moment i was there and he doesn't know how to have it defined he had to exact a piece and that's why they're saying they didn't use the incident because during the kevin the antidote they would have to produce maybe a joke and then a cleaning that never should have that we don't know what happened here and we may never know right because no real evidence the only evidence we have is is from the out like regis lies of the we believe it will go to the receiving poisoning the most incredible story i have read moon of alabama blog says that the effects of seafood poisoning act very much like a nerve agent like this read it for yourself it's at least more credible than the british government's version of what happened well i know what happened because i know what will do you know the most important thing about the arsenal bright stock was not who personally who was the person who was not on call at let's go there that you know the it basically brought he two up and leave it to fall back in one thousand to get three in the same way i don't know exactly what happened in souls but i know with the consequences i know how russia now you know when when russia

convened a security council meeting of the united nations britain complained that they didn't wait until the results of the investigation well the u.k. went to the security council first even before the police investigation but in the course of the sphere of public opinion i think they already lost because what happened was that the birth of soviet political dogs know these dogs i love that i think against the government to. regulate against the element in but in america and in britain that me just quote that you know the most hilarious one of the most recent one is you know there is a mate is reported to be raped in london so they reported to. us to the office who said i have only one question am i the only suspect or is it the whole russian people when he said i think what he said the independent said it best in their editorial the headline whether we can prove moscow's involvement in the script all

case or not is irrelevant. the poisoning is severing russian's relations with the west i couldn't said it better myself ok we're going to continue because we're going to a short break gentlemen to worry about short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news station with r.t. . zia says harlan kentucky. we all know this move them places you could walk down the street fanny's leave. a ko money since it was almost no coal mines left. the jobs are gone all the coal mines are said. that it was love to see these people the survivors of disappearing

before their eyes. i remember thinking when i was younger that if anything ever happened to the coal mines here that it would become a ghost town but i never thought in a million years i would see that and it's how it's happened. we tried to deconstruct all these manipulated by cut series shaun of the world that is a religion or any it's a peaceful religion and it's possible to be a practicing muslims who believe that the koran is the word of god and at the same time be a member of secular societies it is possible. pranking gave americans a lot of new job opportunities i needed to come up here to make some money i could make twenty five thousand dollars as a teacher or i could make fifty thousand dollars a year drove

a truck so i chose to drive a truck. people rushed to a small town in north dakota was an unemployment rate of zero percent it was like a gold rush it was very very similar to the gold rush but this beautiful story ended with pollution and of a station a lot of people have left here i don't know too many people here and just slowed down so much they lost their jobs that laid off the american dream is changing that's not what it used to be. it's a tough reality to deal with. welcome back to cross talk or all things considered i'm peter remind you we're discussing some real news.

ok gentlemen i want to finish up the first block here you summed it up really well mark at the end of the first part of the program and i want to us all three of you where do we go from here mark they they can't back down from this right that if they backed down from this the british government would fall and they can't let that happen because that would likely mean jeremy corbin's election and that is what the british deep state a and the you know the whole foreign policy elite fear most is jeremy corbyn the labor party leader being elected so they've got to get more outrageous with their lies and i have a suggestion the satirical website put still your headline british police find putin's passport at scene of salisbury poison attack and i mean considering the number of passports that terrorists and everyone else that's left laying around so why not why not why not why not where do we go from here mark is right they can't and they will not back down and one way for them to go forward is another even more

significant even more dangerous provocation against russia. so there may be another act that the blame on russia whether it's in the united states or in great britain the member and you could hear these words we would tell you about her return to sort of senator sessions where she said. what happens if there is an attack in new york city the may very well just organize something like that and then blame it on russia with no evidence at all well they've proven you can get away with it exactly a precedent well for me the main problem the main question is how will russia react until now has always been these embarrassing situations for them all this left the door open for them all this let them save face you know the lies about iraq which you never raised it after after the war eight. yugoslavia which was supposed to be justified by at least one hundred thousand course of obedience dept you know that turned out to be a lie they never found the graves but russia allowed them to see peace and to get

i'll do it with it now i hope russia will crash on it because you know just like they say don't lead foot in get away with it well putin has nothing to do with it but now the question is will russia let them get away with it now if it does then it will continue and it's not a problem of interstate relationship it's a problem i do all ideological fight now there is a very aggressive new ideology which unites the united states the european union the u.k. and i'm less interested to know it will get more than once when i introduced this program as a world in crisis here nikki haley's name is already been brought up here i mean i obviously like to make fun of her you know i've said many times that she has advanced degrees and in the hillbilly studies i still believe that but you know she had some very fiery words from a cheap diplomat it's quite scary russia will never be america's friend moscow can

try to behave like a regular country. but the u.s. will quote slap them when we need to react to that picture that's the chief diplomat from the united states going at the united need to things here first of all what the she mean by being like a regular conversation absolutely that's why i wanted to do this a regular company is a company that tipped to washington the following it does yes that does what essentially says what it tells them to do what it would there is them to do and incest thank you so i did that with russia should be more like the netherlands and and of course russia has my sort of foreign policy just like just like iran just like venezuela cuba is exactly these countries that have their own view of the world that they have their own for in the way that want the friendship with me but then they all want to ems that they have to make foreign policy establishment so much from nikki haley to john bolton to be

a lot about john bolton on this program but you know what it's very interesting is that we have another round of sanctions came about we have this whole affair in the in the u.k. and we have nikki haley alton coming in and this seems very well organized to me and i think that we had to say in the first part of the program is that you know now we have a precedent now we can see more of these shenanigans being played out to drive a specific agenda yeah and the latest is with these latest sanctions against russian oligarchs and companies as as they call them a handful that they say are close to putin first of all putin is probably just and a lot of the russian people most of the russian people are just saying thank you thank you for pressuring and scaring our you know all of our such as it is into repatriating their wealth back to the motherland rather than spending it in new york or london and we're really happy with that but you know the most hilarious

and ironic thing. about all of this is that russia's all of dark back in the day when they really existed were created and celebrated by the bill clinton administration in russia right that whole you know we saved we got boris yeltsin elected you know. so these these these latest sanctions really again are quite toothless the intention is that they can force what they call to overthrow putin in a coup this is been the liberal hope predators knowing they can't win an election the fear of trying a policy you know that's right will you have liberals they can't win elections and then you double down on policies they don't have any why do you not have a relation because this is what the foreign policy experts on russia in the west who fundamentally mis understand russia all of that is a russian soldier back of a postage stamp who got rid of the oligarchs and leashed them to the power of the

state that's why there aren't any all of our experts say it likes it jeff bezos or unlike ukraine or she fortunately or unfortunately. i have a couple of points i think that basically these sanctions today is that was published today it is the more extensive in terms of effect because the really reach people are included you know. bear that had go for in all the company which is huge you know. they had a basel which is just about all russia's been to over g. but i think the mistake that they're making is that they basically spread these sanctions list and spread it to almost one hundred percent of russia's reach people so it looks like clos drago know if you want to really saw discord between the russian rich people then take fifty percent impose sanctions on them then maybe you know you will have a split but the problem is that the sanctions of all of them across the board i did they do it because american foreign policy is actually fed by profoundly wrong.

information there is no such science now as russian studies it is all fake it's all ideologist they dia that this is the draw she is run by a bunch of capitalists you know tied to the president and they have no base in society that looks very much like the russia of the ninety s. which they liked and we. believe it was a little bit of russian and it's a reflection of much like that. in the world view of the american elites russia was when it was. russia was bad when it was run by the bolsheviks and the communists and russia's back when it's run by capitalists so the conclusion from this is that it's not it doesn't matter who actually is run by but russia itself is bad but not desirable is good when it was disintegrating when it was hard going but you're not you. know that with a market that you know the foreign policy lead in the west they project all of their. real sins projected upon russia russia is. a

normal country what kind of normal country is indeed is in what may seven major conflicts around the world without any kind of international mandate breaking international law on a regular basis was a failure of the military. themselves to be a normal kind of a concert consider themselves to be an exceptional one the us single exceptional country and all the rest must listen and the us doesn't want russia to be like them or god forbid they want russia to be like the other sorry. you want to russia to meet them alone to if you like your greed because you were sacked leaders have been around the edges even in the now and they're the ones that last week you had the parliament castigating anti the russian propaganda group called e.u. vs design fault for what for taking the dutch media for publishing news from russia calling it fake news the dutch parliamentary belt and they said that these

people from their basically a government financed you. they're in for that they have no right to do to pass a judgment on what the dutch media is reporting whether it's fake news or not so netherlands is too good you know ukraine or maybe maybe muldaur or maybe the poor and that would be the right way for russia in their minds but it will you know it's never going to happen yes it's never going to happen or not is it keep trying you know i think really set of russia will never be america's friends and we will have to you know slap them around one hundred mark. and you know what we do the united states the united states is going to have united states inversion. paths could be friends. have to be friends but they don't have to be enemies ok notice that you know who cares about the term friends when you're talking about geopolitics also said it's nonsense throughout the years even in soviet times even in the seventy's

in the sixty's in the eighty's ninety's that the thousands whether it's putin or british me of or what you have or who are on top of or yeltsin russia has never another single russian leader in the past fifteen years has sad that. russia does not want to be friends with america and that i mean they have an enemy never because in reality moscow once the chemical that evolution sure that america must go it doesn't want to have a confrontational relationship with washington a confrontation with washington brings nothing good to russia or to these and so alternately an example is not to the united states and one pivot to what mark had said that by the e.p. three resources of capital from great britain to back to russia of course some resources. are going to be depleted to russia or to other markets but the british so you out the last several decades have shown themselves to be thieves. they do they will not do the bridge that nobody has just said the smith yes they will the new way of well who is investing there was the sources who is putting that money in

those banks then you. when those accounts were opened they knew it when there was an investment of billions of dollars when we had the new and old of oh yes indeed and yes so it was not it was not an surprise to them not to miss now what they're going to do that's just going to allow all of it to be repeated back to russia what they're going to do is they're going to i rested seize these resources and and who knows how they're going to use them because we already have from the experience with libya and with iran we know that billions of dollars that were in the sixty's it may have simply disappeared in the rocket hang on a really good team in the last twenty seconds of us i think you know their calculation that there will be a split in the russian leaders are wrong and they're called to lation that the russian people will rebel against their reach is also wrong and let me just remind everyone every time when people try to confiscate all the property from the rich people in the u.k. in russia it never made poor people it never produced if would come from the point there are many thanks to my guest here in moscow this is the end of our broadcast

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