patrick henningsen executive editor of twenty first century wired dot com thank you so much for your time that's our wrap up of today's headlines for now but i'll be back in about thirty minutes. we're back on after time to see and you're watching the first episode of a brand new season of going underground as israel stands accused of conducting air strikes on syria and killing more wounding thousands in palestine coming over the show twenty years to the week of the signing of an agreement to lay down british and ira arms in the nile and the p.l.o. haywood speaks to us about one human rights to fall for those maintaining teresa

mayes grip on power and with u.k. labor leader jeremy call been calling for an inquiry into arms sales to israel after it kills all thousands of palestine the grandson of a signatory to the israeli independence week of the lead talks to us about injustice the story of the holy land foundation five blocks from this week's headlines war on syria the shooting unarmed civilians by israel and palestine told us the more coming up in this first episode of a brand new season of going underground but first while we have been away it is arguably become obvious teresa mayes case against russia is falling apart could only russia really have been responsible for attacks on british spies scribble and his daughter no one is still really given a satisfactory explanation for this statement from the boss of britain's top secret chemical warfare lab after foreign secretary boris johnson claimed porton down told him russia was responsible for the chemical attack on british soil we haven't yet

been able to do that and of contradicting boris johnson who still remains foreign secretary at the time this show is being recorded isn't bad enough there was this it's not our job and see where actually was manufacture not our job many thought it was exactly bought and downed o.p.c. w remit to find out where the chemical was manufactured after that interview the u.k. foreign. his deleted a tweet alleging porton down support for the certainty of to resume his government but then the even the n.h.s. hospital treating the script polls had to be bounced by a russian t.v. channel into admitting that the deadliest of nerve agents could actually not be deadly at all following intense media coverage yesterday i would like to take this opportunity to update you on the condition of the two remaining patients being treated at salisbury district hospital. last thursday i informed you that condition had improved to stable. as yulia herself says her strength is improving

daily and she can look forward to the day when she's well enough to leave hospital and there are some in britain a queering why recovery from this year's strain of flu is slower than recovery from novacek anyway britain is now more focused on bizarre claims of alleged chemical use by the syrian government even though previous claims have long been debunked before today's news w m d claims it already bounced israel into another defacto violation of the un charter let's begin with. you israel now blamed for a series of airstrikes against syria an air base attacked early this morning hours after one of the worst chemical chemical attacks in history yet israel being blamed for what tony blair and his rump of the british labor party in the palace of westminster want the u.k. to do bomb syria and destroy president assad secular government which is winning the war against british backed extremists on the ground extremists who wish to do harm on the streets of europe not that britain is only aiding groups like the white

helmets linked to al qaeda british soldiers are also risking their lives against islamist apparently the british man was a member of the s.a.'s he is the first soldier to be killed as a result of enemy action in the fight against islamic state yes in the past few days the british people discovered that there are u.k. boots on the ground in syria on the same side. as the assad government defacto but then the s.a.'s has always been a british regiment shrouded in secrecy in feigns belfast west m.p. and westminster reference their actions of thirty years ago well this program they are not armed and officials and officials were shot dead on the straits of gibraltar and i think it was a terrible tragedy a terrible time in the history of art and but those legacy issues dismissed by juries amaze coalition partners as condoning terrorism let alone the collapse of the power sharing mandated by the good friday agreement signed twenty years ago this week i'm not the only human rights issues the people of have to contend with joining me now is tory peer lord haywood who would thank you so much for being on

the shows away from the legacy issues the. end of storm one you've been campaigning and putting this nation through the house of lords about human rights of a different introducing it we hope we'll get it through the house of lords all the eyes of commons but more likely initially in the house of lords and that's to make legislation in relation to same sex marriages in northern ireland exactly the same as it is in england scotland as it is there isn't equality you know it's a devolved matter and as long as it was devolved it should have been dealt with by belfast but we don't have a devolved assembly at the moment and we don't know how long we can have it without one so called him again in the commons and myself in the eyes of courts decided it was appropriate that we should introduce a same sex marriage bill is the point then if it is a devolve issue then of doing this in westminster we're posting all sorts of northern irish legislation at the moment we had a debate just before easter and paulse the northern ireland budget because there isn't the capacity to do that in belfast so nothing could be dealt with in belfast

all those powers are currently with us and we believe that it is actually right the same sex marriage bill should be introduced and passed through the eyes of parliament it's leave it to one side the twenty years ago on tuesday the good friday agreement was signed in any way his home rule is westminster ruling northern ireland i'm sure is a maze. defacto coalition vetoed a vote in any case it's dormant i understand there was a vote for equality it was on the table and it could or could to progress and it's a decision for belfast if there is a belfast parliament but you can't then complain that something is being dealt with in westminster but say oh but we're the need other matters dealt with in westminster so yes some of the people in the d.p. i don't think all don't reflect the overwhelming views of northern irish people which is that they don't want to reflect the beliefs of their constituents as a certain group of people but all the polling shows that the vast majority of

people in northern ireland hold a view which is in line with the views of the english the scots and the welsh to their way is that he is chief whip wise is poured cold water on the bill saying that there's little prospect of it getting through polling against talking about the house of commons the lords procedure is a slightly different and we can start bill in the eyes of lords in a way that you can't in the calm of the commons would never vote it down today edgy beattie well the bill the indications i've had is that in the lords there is very strong broad cross party support for introducing the bill in the lords if it gets through the lords that would send a very clear message to the commons and i think it's unlikely that it would be voted on in the commons they'd be strong support there already was when quantum again introduced his equivalent bill in the commons there were people from all sides sponsoring the bill they're welcoming the legislation and that was true in the eyes of lords when i introduced the bill as well of course we've come a long way since close twenty eight but isn't it a fact that there is

a may who's only prime minister because of the alliance with a d.v.d. could be using her good offices to tell the d.p. you help lord heywood's bill she's not going to do that because she wouldn't be prime minister i think you made a rush assumption that she's only there because of the t.v. with the conservatives are the largest party in the commons no overall majority overall majority the largest party and more importantly. people in the d.p. know what the position is they know what my position is and if the lord's is the registration i think they'll recognize what the position is in the commons as well do you think she could do more to support l.g.b. rights she's done a lot she's been very very keen on advancing more women more community people in terms of and also minority racial groups incredible change taking place on historically she personally always has been yes she has made it all along and so yeah i think we'll we'll we're making progress not as much as i'd like but we'll

gather because you are on the record as saying that she trashed the brand of the tories. do you expect me to be the end of may know your local election only don't i i think in terms of the local elections teresa mayes in a much stronger position than she was a few weeks back a few months back the general perception amongst the media the political commentators is that her position is now i clearly secure whatever happens at the local election point i mean when you say. no there is a representative i go to the i have to say you're also a member of the lords political polling in digital malcolm is he often described as one of the tories top pollsters do you think she'll do ok then in london i think willy's control of a number of birds in london i've said so it's on the record but governing parties who have been in power is ministering austerity for eight years generally a lot further behind the neck and neck if we were talking about a government being

a ten fifteen percent behind in the polls that wouldn't be surprising we're actually talking about a government which is neck and neck with the labor party at the moment you believe the polls. i proved them wrong on a number of occasions i think they're pretty close to being accurate at the moment it's neck and neck i mean you predicted breck's it accurately ahead of certainly the commentary at i'd say this program completed did did quite well why didn't the polls go to right this time i think the responses that i've got the difference to me in many of the posts is that i actually do go canvassing i enjoy canvassing i enjoy hearing what people's views are on the doorstep but also you know you talk to your political opponents. privately and i'll tell you what the blairites in the house of government talks of people who know me know i'll talk to anybody but. the commons in the lords are not as politically divided as many people may imagine so you talk about things but you bump into people look i'm missing from other parties when you're out there on the streets and you get

a feel and even if they won't give you the most in a innermost thoughts what they will do is kind of. given indication in one form or another you can call him q coined the term which is no bust into a common political parlance of shy tories to explain the ninety nine to two surprise victory of the tories what about shy corbin east side in twenty eight i'm not sure they got it completely wrong in the general election in that everybody did and i don't think everyone know everybody there were two out of the major polling companies that did get it approximately like all ministers and i don't believe in shy called least as i think of most people in the labor party who are opposed to the court and they wouldn't suggest that companies desire at all shy i think there were other things other reasons why the polling organization going to do something which in fairness i got wrong as well although the german court of course has been on the record for wanting to leave european union up until the referendum and it became leader being reported as saying that tony blair's calls for a break that second because of referendum toxic is actually helpful when tony blair

starts to call for i think it's seriously unhelpful and i'm speaking here as somebody who was and he's a strong remain. the decision was taken in the first referendum but if you look at any measure on opinion polls whether they are dead onal not tony blair is perceived as being somebody who support you don't greatly want under current circumstances on anything i'm probably amongst labor voters in particular and i know the way you got it wrong of course was predicting that trey's i'm a would win a majority if she does a very badly when you see a wipe out in london probably i don't i don't see a white light but i don't see the tories currently hold eight bars of the thirty three i think they are likely to lose three four five which leaves them with virtually none but even then i'd my expectation is that the reason may will be taking a position to continue as prime minister because the reality is that if you are in government for

a long period of time in particular if you are ministering allstar ety throughout that period you would expect me fall further back than they are at the moment and you agree with coburn that it is a river and about austerity. now you know what we're dealing with here is a collection of local authorities on the votes on local or local services i'm not sure if he loses seats in some part of the country and other people say it and i think about it being a referendum on him i think he will do well but the question is i welcome would they do better if they had some leader other than jeremy colgan because most of the polls suggest they would do much better if i had a moment or a leader look i would thank you thank you after the break there's thousands like dead or wounded in palestine in the past few days are charities seeking to alleviate the suffering being targeted to speak to israeli special forces veteran the lead about his latest book charting the downfall of the holy land foundation five. coming up about two of going underground.

so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy. let it be an arms race based on often scary dramatic development only personally i'm going to resist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and talk. to. predict. welcome back in the past few days thousands have been killed or injured by the british backed israeli government since palestinians rose up for their so-called great return march and yet again as journalists learned women and children are

being killed by live ammunition the question arises should charity be given to the palestinian people when the statement they say b.b.c. banned fundraising in twenty nine for the people of gaza this is how one labor veteran and mentor of jeremy corbyn responded people will die because of the b.b.c. decision let me be clear about that and i i started my life six years ago. but he did capitulate to israeli pressure that's the truth i have to tell you but there are people dying now because of what us authorities are doing to charities aiming to help the people of palestine joining me now israeli special forces veteran grandson of a signatory to israel's independence his new book is called injustice the story of the holy land foundation five we go welcome back to going underground let's get on to the book what happened in dallas at seven in the morning on the twenty seventh of july two thousand and four well if you can imagine a family families with children at home at summer break everybody sleeping in you know planning for

a nice calm day seven o'clock in the morning banging on the door fifteen to twenty five armed federal agents and uniformed police barging into the house the wives the sisters the daughters just you know being them to hold on while they can cover themselves with a head you know get dressed nobody cares the barge in search the house arrest the fathers and take them away and they work for the holy land foundation known as a holy land foundation five and they were being charged on legislation from bill clinton well they were being charged the organization was closed down by george bush bill clinton bill clinton designated hamas as a terrorist organization george bush claimed that holy land foundation was giving money. hamas but there was no proof whatsoever and it still isn't to this day that any that there was any connection between them now george bush made the announcement after nine eleven so december of two thousand and one. in the meantime

the organization was closed down five men three of whom really had very peripheral or peripheral connection to the organization itself have been charged tried twice convicted and are sitting in federal prison with sentences ranging from fifteen to sixty five years and they're obviously we should try twice which is against the sixth amendment of the cause decision but as you just go back a little bit of this holy land foundation it was allied to the u.n. the salvation army the red cross even a two to usaid was one of the first charities on the scene from texas for the oklahoma bombing what is the holy land foundation only it's not a terrorist group it's not a terrorist group it's not even remotely justice as it is just as it is it is not even remotely a terrorist group this is an organization that had nothing but good and they did it in ways that were unprecedented but they were presenting unbeknownst to them they were presenting

a picture of palestinians themselves being palestinians and of the palestinian issue in a light that was disturbing the zionist groups within israel the pros really groups the israeli lobby and so they were trying to say that well they're actually terrorists are actually giving money to hamas and there's been no proof not a single shred of evidence that they did anything wrong that they give money to terrorism ever but in a court of law in dallas texas the proof made no difference and these men were convicted him edge of the six the member but actually that's the double jeopardy rule which could have been broken for the second trial there was evidence well the evidence came from anonymous israeli secret police yes so what they did in american court what they did was unprecedented in the history of the united states they brought in to expert witnesses from israel the testified anonymously. claiming to be officers in the early secret police and one an officer in israeli military intelligence and their job was to say that the organizations with which holy land was working in palestine were controlled by hamas even though all the evidence

proved otherwise and there was no evidence to show to validate their claim but they said we don't need the evidence we can smell of hamas. and so the first trial ended with a mistrial the second trial the state amended the charges amended and then ended up with all convictions the these five what exactly were they involved in the charity off to say the second intifada or understand well they were they were looking in one thousand nine hundred seven the established order and foundation because there was a great need for relief in palestine intifada just begun. countless were arrested families had no breadwinner there were curfews people could go to work and buy food there was no food countless were killed by israel and so there many orphans there was a severe need in one thousand nine hundred seven also shook him about his daughter sanabel to whom i dedicate the book was born ill and for many many years she was in need of charitable medical help and that really inspired me to get involved with

relief work so that that's what and that's what they did they dedicated themselves wholly to the cause of relief in palestine but only palestine like you said after oklahoma city bombing after nine eleven tornadoes floods in the us earthquake in turkey refugees in pain you name it they were there and they did an excellent job in every penny that they had donated was accounted for every penny was accounted for you see veteran labor cabinet minister tony benn wasn't even allowed in the statement a to b b c to read a telephone number for the proper un disaster an emergency committee charitable donation line for gaza was being bought by israel are you imaging that the israelis actually have corrupted us jew process in courts of law well what i what i asked the lawyers what they thought because my you know my opinion i have my pity but i want to see what they thought because they came into this new no with with no political agenda they just thought that their clients were innocent i mean they are

innocent that they believe they were innocent and they said after nine eleven and and they said to me this after living in the united states an arab muslim palestinian cannot get a fair trial. period and that's exactly what happened that the judges were cowards they bend they bend they bend over when the state came back and said this is national security this is a special sort of a case so instead of upholding the law and upholding the regulations that are there to protect citizens from arbitrary actions by the government they folded the strange thing in the book is that these charities and already been prevented by the cia the state department being fined yes and they had on the stand they had the former u.s. consul general in jerusalem saying that they were vetted that they were honest that there was never any directive by the u.s. government that they should work with them because they're hamas and they have never been designated and they were not listed on any of the u.s. government lists you were because who alleges the use of dodgy evidence from people who had previously been convicted over oh absolutely i mean the second the first

trial ended with a mistrial the second trial the judge allowed evidence that was not allowed by the first judge and the u.s. government the federal agents the f.b.i. did everything they possibly could including bringing dodgy witnesses and dodgy evidence. and documents that were wrongly translated in other words even the translations of the documents were brought from confiscated by israel sent to the united states and translated were translated wrong and the transcripts of the phones that were tapped the conversations that these men had for almost two decades were poorly translated to make them sound as though they are supporting hamas as though they're calling for the killing of jews which never happened i don't think it's a deterrent for other charities absolutely it is a terror for the charities it is completely drained you know during the sources of finance for charity for palestine without a doubt it made an enormous enormous change in the ability to raise money for palestinian causes absolutely this was and that in terms of that this is a this is

a big success coming on top of the old terms reduction of aid for say owners really for work so absolutely the as soon as they were closed down there are reports from gaza showing. clearly this was a disastrous for refugees for poor people in gaza another place and palestine without a doubt make a ballot thank you thank you. well when i'm going to go through some of this week's headlines joining me now is professor sami ramadani sami thanks for coming back on before we go to the good news coming out of the middle east let's go to a different kind of chemical attack here in britain from murdoch sky news. secure location after discharge from hospital what have you made of this whole saga i mean it's piling up of the mysteries about this story from day one until today now she's out of hospital in reasonably good health why are they hiding her away why not face a press conference because the russians will kill. the russian government saying

quoting the vienna convention and saying they treat this kind of abduction it would have video interview then remote location and the technology is so advanced now sure you could have a live link with and chat with her by journalists from all over the world what is it that is keeping this story so control the more you dig into this this story the more you find contradictions unexplained events from day one until now there is no coherent narrative alleged chemical attacks are in the news in the middle east let's go to this tweet we obliquely references that oh yeah let's have a look again to our very foolishly do not attack syria if you do many very bad things will happen and from that fight the u.s. gets nothing if there's a temper twenty thirty and now he is threatening to attack syria and while we're

talking maybe an attack is under way there is really a grave situation developing around many hotspots in the world and there isn't. eagerness and readiness to escalate tensions to aggravate situations from afghanistan to iraq to syria very significantly all their plans seem to have produced nothing if you like in terms of their own set of objectives and they want to change that balance if you the central trump was referencing and recognize opposite for you and i why does he not recognize that he doesn't recognize it actually but he's big he's becoming and he's coming under enormous pressure by the if we if we like to term them the war lobby or the tensions that are of the of aggravation of tensions in the world world lobby and they are using his personal affairs his personal misconduct his has a loud mouth and stupidities to isolate him but of the same time as soon as he

throws missiles at syria he's he's again the decisive leader who. became president he sent a fifty nine. last year all these policies of the last fifteen to twenty years have been led by these new york who are now in now in circle trump actually led by john bolton and significantly john bolton or sitting behind them one trump threatened to attack syria because israel is already has already this week been bombing syria without any resolution obviously against international law let's go to this room middle east should say prime minister netanyahu giving a speech today on the holocaust memorial day no innocent people in gaza says israeli defense minister obviously this character has a yes famous for for making statements and he gets away with it he's been doing that for many many years and he's said even worse things than this about the palestinian people but for some reason israel is protected against being exposed

for an apartheid state that it has developed into well i'll give you the mainstream media would say there is no there are no innocent people as to hamas. clave that seems to be remains your narrative that should somehow be wiped out seems to be we are over a one and a half million people there what are they talking about even of hamas controls everything which is not true by the way there are still women and children and innocent civilians and journalists i should say palestinian journalists year old father shot dead with press written on. there is something different this time one of britain's most senior politicians is an advocate for palestine and for the international the un resolutions let's go to this from here it's generally calling calls for a review of u.k. sales to israel of a gaza border deaths exactly that's a huge difference in the frenchie semitism every day the labor party high and the left in general in britain have a proud record of fighting fascism and the semitism who stood against anti semitic

fascism in britain and the nine hundred thirty s. whether in the streets of the trade unions leading demonstrations or whether it is the left in general including the labor party standing up to the real fascists and to see might this is the right wing press of britain which stood for fascism for anti-semitism and not the left in britain so this is really a blowing things out of proportion in order to silence criticism of israeli regime policies and to attack the leadership of the new leadership of the labor party because they fear an independent approach to foreign policy that criticizes israel that does not. assume the united states says let's go to war britain jumps on and follows and goes to war there is a new approach they are frightened of and they want to isolate this leadership of jeremy korb and and the labor party presently ramadani thank you. and that's it for

the first show of this we'll be back on saturday with the british iraqi hip hop artist loci is pretty much ten months to the day of the grand felt task. be seen by many to be able to match it of the failures of you know that was until then people talked about social media deals in one thousand years to the day when you came back major coalition claimed forces killed seventy close with albanians only to admit two days later that the burned bodies identified as refugees were the responsibility of nature itself measures were in europe in the one nine hundred ninety s. we kill or injure hundreds of thousands. joined me every thursday on the alex salmond chill and i'll be speaking to us through the world of politics sport i'm show business i'll see you.

donald trump there is russia to try and shoot down u.s. missiles over syria and suggest that a strike is a minute the us president goes on to say that relations between the two powers are worse than during the cold war. the us is threatening military action against a mask over an alleged chemical attack a probe into the incident has yet to take place with an international fact finding mission not even due in syria until the end of the week. the u.s. has approved a grant for a media company started by a palestinian journalist killed last week while covering clashes at the israel gaza border. and facebook's boss is probe election meddling and data leaks but it turns out those grilling the c.e.o. have been financially supported by him in the past meanwhile the social media giant

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