you know is this policy being driven by tell of even riyadh. well certainly riyadh and other gulf states from the very beginning and turkey wanted the overthrow of saud and that brings me to the point that whether you agree or like the assad government or not it's a fact that they were been on the defensive this is an uprising this was an attempt to overthrow a government so you're on the defensive so to invite iran n. and russia to help them defend themselves is a natural act of a government trying to survive this was not iran or russia invading syria the iranians would have come in if there were no attempt to overthrow the government so they they have every right as you pointed out to invite whoever they are any friends they had to help them survive this is natural and any government would do that now the israelis i mean hezbollah by the way i think is defending lebanon even lebanese christians and they don't know who would agree with as much as they hate they may hate that well they may not like them but they realize that the lebanese

army isn't worth germy so let me jump in here just let me jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on syria stay with us. you never know what's around the corner you never know what's in the pub you know the. excitement is that not knowing that's where the adrenaline in which comes from . communities are going to finish in the stream so will. the violence is a part of an example of schizophrenia thank you can do these things and behave well .

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just best not to test just need to mash don't try to stop the president on the screen trying this project until. the three of petitions to toast looks for to snap them up when you look at it as the girls are with you for this approach to your machine station shouldn't be you should cook door for the one who's doing the design we. welcome back to crossfire all things are considered i'm peter lavelle you were discussing the situation in syria. ok let me go back to richard in new york richard i know you're

a career diplomat and diplomacy is sorely lacking these days around the world but richard me over. what a military strike against the regime. the assad government to mask what is that's what kind of. what outcome would washington be looking for in striking syria you've said that they've backed away from regime change i think there that doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense i think they would want to go all the way i mean what kind of behavior is that you go trying to enact here i mean this is the problem with military policy because it doesn't really have to work with political outcomes it has certain goals of destruction and threatening and doesn't really talk about the political part of it go ahead richard in new york we certainly do need a clearer overall policy towards syria the strategy has been wanting to put it mildly now the question though what are we trying to accomplish by

staying in why we're two thousand yeah very small number there in northeastern syria. we don't think first of all we don't think that the oasis. effort is totally ended and we also know there are other groups ready to come in in its wake if given the least opportunity so what's needed is a strategy which develops the country as a whole as quickly as possible involves the people with their own government as quickly as possible after these years of warfare massive killings and dislocations it's not going to come easily it's not going to come well but one thing we can contribute up the moment is the continued small military presence in the country with isis very much at the top of our concerns well richard did just the opposite is probably the truth i mean the u.s.

maintaining its forces in syria probably gives isis a reason to exist to fight a foreign occupier number two richard the u.s. government has already warned it will sanction third parties and countries that help syria with its reconstruction so getting all the people together and helping developing the country that's already off the table you'll be sanctioned ok michael i can see you wanted to jump in there go ahead. yeah i guess once again it gets back to the whole point as as to why u.s. forces are remaining in the sunni controlled area of eastern eastern syria looking for bases actually that the turks have complained about in the kurdish controlled area the whole idea is i think by the united states if it's trying to resurrect this teaching policy of any kind is that unite the sunni's and of east syria with west western iraq and to maintain that presence there and control that area and basically partition syria ultimately even though you have

a little pocket of of isis but but the united states is supporting entities and groups militant groups though such as josh al islam which was in east ghouta and and has the capability by the way of launching chlorine gas and other and other weapons of mass destruction they have actually admitted that in the past up in aleppo earlier this year so the data states is going to continue to support these sunni control groups and i think ultimately it is to divide syria and with the help of the saudis the saudis are paying for this or they've they've offered money and and i think taken that may be the only reason why he has decided not to pull out because well i got a good you know you know michael it has been it has really paid for isn't it really wonderful that the u.s. government pimps out the american military for

a foreign power what it discrete wouldn't real discrete you know where we're coming in over the men and women there and we're going to go to anything there is for the people that work in the military to be pimped out by their own president to have you know a someone hobby crazy regime in saudi arabia pay you you know you wrap your head around that ok that's pretty that's amazing ok let me go to joe here i think is happening it's happening let me go to joe here you know what is happening. to me is that there is such a poor in the united states because of russia russia russia and this disease has transported itself across the atlantic and to britain right now over a nother chemical weapons incident which we see no evidence whatsoever disposed to believe it but joe that they want to give russia a bloody nose they want to give russia a bloody nose in syria the russians have already made it very clear that they will not take those threats lightly ok that's why i'm very very concerned go ahead joe. yes i totally agree with you know we have to understand it's

a fiction that the united states was fighting isis in syria i believe they were fighting them in iraq i think there were two separate wars we know from this intel defense intelligence agency document from twenty twelve that the u.s. and its partners in the region and europe wanted to establish yourself as principality which later became isis it was warned about that then we know from a john kerry leaked audio that he was watching he says he was we were watching isis advance on damascus to try to get assad to leave exactly what that document said that the put pressure on us so there was no there is no effort to defeat ice russia has to feed it with syria and iran and other militants in humans who have defeated isis in syria they're not there for that reason and we have to remember also at from the campaign of donald trump he wanted to cooperate with russia in syria and syllis worry about the form of government later on whether assad stays or not the real problem was isis so i think he had i don't know who told him that weather was bannon or whatever or he just got a brilliant idea one morning but that was the right policy that even obama tried to

implement if you recall he had kerry try to work out a cooperation with ash russia that putin has for national lottery destroy you know it's you know spoiled the priority you know that the right i gave let me you know the other night you know be evil when there is a illegitimate or a quasi legitimate diplomatic attempt it is it's destroyed by these hawks in the military. and now peter yeah and now peter you want to do a drawer to troops if you read a piece in the new yorker by robin wright the generals who are the ones who are supposed to be running the show not the president the we have a civilian form of government here not the generals so again trumps instincts are to say the right thing but he's pulled back by those behind him and this attack coming very for two of us leewood it was about to withdraw the troops looks like the opposite is going to happen you know richard why why does the why is the united states threatening the demand. because government when damascus has been doing the heavy lifting to fight isis and what the united states that's every times it goes

in there militarily has its forces on the ground it just dull ones that attempt to fight terrorism if you know the u.s. policy is an impediment to fighting isis i don't understand the logic here go ahead richard in new york. well i flatly disagree with your assumption at least the consistency of syrian policy to fight isis what is it is what is the u.s. done in syria for what is what is what name one thing the united states has done right when it comes to syria one thing. well we tried for many many years to get syria interested in opening up talks with the israelis they were very very reluctant to come anywhere near the line officer last visited in his last years. i don't claim to have no idea what you actually mean to after seven years of civil war a proxy international war it's because assad didn't want to talk to the israelis really

. no no don't do don't misinterpret i'm just saying that. we have tried to do something positive in syria we did work on it to extensively year after year you didn't get anywhere ok so that's passed but it didn't leave a very good impression of syria in washington and i can tell you. well i think you can do know that syrian people all of the after the billions of dollars the training the funding the salary of these jihad is from outside the country that's what the u.s. policy has been and now they are illegally present they're under it legally under international law the damascus government wants them out and they won't leave i mean who's breaking the law here who's being an animal here ok this is this war could have ended a long time ago if it hadn't been backed by the united states saudi arabia the other gulf countries and israel would have known for

a long time ago go ahead michael do you want to jump in it could have been over a long time and have been beaten up those kids down and ok and on the first and richard on their first stand yes there were violence and they were it was from outsiders it's very well documented you know don't tell me you know this is all peaceniks war you know wandering around you know giving flowers to people goes out to buy one started on day one ok michael you want to jump in. the you know our relationship with the cia are with i'm sorry with with syria actually degraded in two thousand and three when we invaded iraq the syrians saw all that this was going to happen they had they had the back channel with the cia how and when they let the say they have helped to a point they did and then that's when they turned to the pentagon just on the eve of the invasion to say don't don't invade we'll while try to work this out we'll

leave the state some five thousand troops to go into iraq for you to to look for w m d they saw what would what the outcome will be so everything went to pieces from then that's when assad really turned to iran right after that and that cannot be disputed that is a that is a fact and i think that that's when iran and syria really began to become closer you've got to keep in mind assad is a she is a white so that was normal and this is what upset israel to a great extent our foreign policy in the united states has been to carry out to help implement israel's foreign policy for years and the pentagon was the instrument for doing that ok joe that forty seconds you had to program go ahead joe . yeah well john bolton began this week his new job and i ask her to advise me as

a real thing for iran the iranian presence in syria might be what he ultimately be going after even more than trying to overthrow assad yet it looks to me that always it's iran always that is at the very very center it has been since the revolution in one nine hundred seventy nine and trump and he has surrounded him with a group of people that feel exactly the same way people that lament the the defeat in vietnam that's all the time we have gentlemen many thanks to my guests in washington and in new york and thanks to our viewers for watching us here see you next time and remember prosperous. backstabbers financial survival guide. housing bubble. oh you mean there's a downside artificially low mortgage rates don't get carried away that's cause

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a ghost town but i never thought in a million years i would see that and it's how it's happened. but this is the aftermath of the alleged chemical attack in the syrian city of duma say in video released by russia's defense ministry that those brought to the hospital were not showing symptoms consistent with exposure to a chemical agent. also russia calls a security council meeting on the situation in syria with moscow and washington exchanging fiery remarks. one protesters killed and hundreds are injured in gaza as israeli troops used live firing tear gas to disperse the patient demonstrations along the border there. in football. welcoming russia before they take as much to see as scum moscow

despite their concerns about russian only get. i really get a feeling that with the world cup so we could see when you come in because often you see that is no problem the russians are lovely i mean to say what happens between governments a lot happens between people are totally different. good evening life multi-age queues kevin i am with you tonight just turned eleven pm this friday now first and tonight more on the syria crisis that story still dominating in a development from the russian side russia's defense ministry earlier released a video in which witnesses of the aftermath of that alleged chemical attack in syria's duma say that there was no indication that those rushed to hospital had been exposed to a chemical agent. my name is. i am a medical student i work in the e.r. department of dumas central hospital on april eighth

a building in the city was the upper floors were destroyed and the bottom floors caught fire all the injured from that building were brought to our hospital heavy. then the residents from the upper floors were suffering from smoke inhalation and that is what we treated them for based on the symptoms they exhibited by this is a bit of a dominating headlines over the past few days that incident in duma whatever took place is attracted very different versions of events from the russian side the syrian side and the u.s. u.k. and france something did happen in do all the seventh of april with the western nations on the what helmets group on the ground in syria claiming it was a chemical attack by the damascus government on civilians killing and injuring dozens the russian side the mask is saying this was a setup now today we've got that evidence allegedly from the russian modi saying they have identified an individual in the video you can see just being played bad that video was used as part of the evidence by the white helmets and western

nations to prove that there was a chemical attack in duma as those rebels and civilians were being evacuated you can see the highlighted the witness there on the video just for our viewers they claim they've identified him subsequently asked of exactly what happened in that incident on the seventh of april in dubai let's take a listen to what exactly had to say about what took place in the hospital after. that during treatment some person came in i don't know who that was and said that it was a chemical attack. when the. people got scared a fight broke out. relatives of the victims started pouring water on one another. then others began to give inhalers for asthma the children. even though these people were not medical professionals we did not see any patients exhibiting symptoms of chemical poisoning. so this video amongst others of course quite

shocking disturbing images of civilian casualties was circulated online all social media and cited by the information and organizations countries as evidence of that chemical attack and evidence of course is the key word here is the real crux of the issue of what o.p.c. w team heading over to do more on the way that they should be there over the next twenty four forty eight hours or so believe they have arrived in syria their findings will be key to establishing what really happened in duma whether there was some sort of chemical incident by the damascus government by as the western nations are saying or as we heard from the russian. the russian military has gathered evidence that indicates the direct involvement of great britain organizing the provocation in eastern ukraine we know for a fact that london pressured the so-called white helmets to carry out their plans provocation as soon as possible they were told that from the third to the sixth of april rebels would carry out a series of heavy showings of damascus and that this would lead to

a reaction from the government forces which the white helmets should use for their provocation and to allege the use of chemical weapons so these are obviously quite strong allegations from the russian ministry of defense or other counter allegations us to this alleged chemical incident in duma something they will have to obviously provide evidence for specifically for for britain's involvement in this the key bit of evidence that as we said before is the arrival of the o.p.c. team with the u.n. and that he would instructions on the ground to get those soil samples get those examined any victims if there are any and find out if any chemicals were used that's the key thing to prove what exactly happened and to give some credibility to either of these two versions will find that out of course in the next twenty four to forty eight hours. the u.k.'s ambassador to the un meantime reacted to the accusations from the russian military by calling them grotesque in a blatant lie however the video we're about to show you that we're telling you about featured the medic who dismissed the chemical attack claims and has been

taken seriously and shown by a number of media outlets further questions are also hanging over the west's narrative due to the dubious reputations of the groups that initially made the allegations with more on that regard steve. reports of a chemical attack first appeared strange enough it's almost the precise moment the battle had bended when the syrian government and rebels were negotiating on how to evacuate the latter reports first appeared on social media twitter facebook and spread like wildfire while my colleague kendall anian and i have learned today that the u.s. now has blood and a year in samples from some of the victims of this attack in syria last weekend and that those samples according to u.s. officials tested positive for chemicals sources the usuals why the helmets who service rescue is islamists and syrian rebels also the somewhat less known

syrian american medical society sounds together with the white helmets they were cited by the washington post the new york times c.n.n. virtually every western media outlets reporting on this chemical attack saturday april seventh amidst continuous bombardment of residential neighborhoods in the city of duma more than five hundred cases the majority of whom are women and children were brought to local medical centers with symptoms indicative of exposure to a chemical agent sams that self is funded by u.s. aid six million in two thousand and fifteen usaid is widely believed to be an arm of the state department and is banned in multiple countries accused of interfering in domestic policies and promoting regime change it even has an office of transition initiatives the management at sams also believe it or not former usaid stuff was saddam's who reportedly provided the u.p.c. w.

with samples of the alleged sarin gas that was used in hunchy houla site of a chemical attack last year after which. donald trump sent fifty seven cruise missiles at the syrian airbase o.p.c. w. is on its way to duma to investigate we've contacted various groups including the world health organization they have refused to go into any details become not rule out the possibility that someone from within region wants to see the syrian state weakened or even toppled might stage something and what we know as well is that jay should islam the army of islam the militant group that was just ousted from duma they have a position of chlorine gas they used it and they acknowledged its usage two years ago in aleppo against kurdish militia they issued a statement saying you know we've done it what comes next no one can say whether

the u.s. will go ahead with a preemptive strike or whether cooler heads will prevail it appears a lack of evidence on the alleged chemical attacks a concern for a number of journalists one of those is spelt from belgium i spoke to millie or had traveled to syria to judge it all for of self around two years ago i started to discover that i wasn't really told the truth about the war in syria and i started to learn more and more. and i have this led me to decided i want to go see for myself you know as people should. journalists should so i did if you travel to syria it's such different picture and then what is being beamed in the media unfortunately yes we have a long way to go but i think the rise of internet you know it's the reason i like. the control is slipping away from from the dinosaur mass media so. the development

of syrian rebels really to assess potential u.s. strikes against the country that's a warning from the russian side at the u.n. security council where moscow washington once again confronted each other over the situation in syria. number two we understand very well that the heads of syrian armed groups have received instructions to begin an offensive following potential active force we saw recent examples in iraq and libya they show is that the u.s. needs the u.n. security council for pragmatic reasons they used in the case of iraq with the vial they used it to cover up the initiative of the libyan no fly zone and that's what's being done now you're showing us an imaginary vial it's empty chemical weapons didn't produce the most casualties in world war one but they were the most feared in world war two chemical weapons were employed on an industrial scale against civilians resulting in the worst.