tv Cross Talk RT April 16, 2018 3:30am-4:01am EDT
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mation and the conclusion the spears laboratory was emitted from the final report the laboratory in question has not addressed of the claim and says only v o p c w can comment but it did stated that it supports the u.k.'s conclusions about the use of an over choke nerve agent now be z. which the scientists allegedly found in the samples is a toxic powder that was developed by the u.s. military back in the one nine hundred fifty s. moscow says b.z. is a weapon that could be in the hands of the u.k. or the u.s. but one that russia does not have in its arsenal as of yet now the u.k. was quick to blame moscow for the attack and solsbury claiming that nobody talks soviet origin is a clear indicator of russia's guilt and international chemical weapons that watchdog said in that now controversial report that it supported britain's findings concerning the identity of the substance and what our guys have now takes a closer look and comments on the growing controversy there was no trial
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no discussion no evidence no proof there was only judgement and punishment is highly likely that russia was responsible we do polls russia culpable culpable culpable for the attempted murder the pundits needed even less than a movie chalk sounds russian means russia did it but established that it is not a chaka matter is by definition of the translation of the name which means newcomer part of a program in a soviet union in the late seventy's and eighty's the points made there are a lot of questions to ask of this whole mess but over the last few weeks we've interviewed dozens of chemists experts and military specialists and hear their biggest gripes. the nuvi nerve agents a new she quit they haven't been so in decades here they are exerts from the
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books and studies available to the public neither the formula know the chemicals any more russian than itself for years now researchers have published studies and theses on the nuvi chocks which there are dozens and dozens of many developed in different countries there's just one good tool in twenty zero seven the us or the published a paper on numerous chemical compounds we were interested because of the toxicity we all thought united them under the system there are more than sixty compounds here and they've all been indexed since then these formulas or some of them have appeared in various publications constantly you simply cannot say they are secret. there's more to it if you suspect a potential adverse arena has made a new discovery you have to do the same in order to study the new substance and
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make antidotes it's true to say that russia is not the only country being able to sympathize a few grams of no beach up in the late ninety's all intelligence services in the west worked on so i'm not surprised that in france in a new king in the united states you have this kind of information that could explain this speed in which the product was identified and there's a whole lot of nerve agents to go around with more being discovered undeclared nerve agents. in four months and it's a country and there are many discovers the properties of a new chemical structure it's that city a chemical weapons potential they must immediately according to the conventions register it with the o.p.c. w. but no country does so. and it really isn't as difficult as it may sound if it's really a we're dealing with it's not
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a real problem to synthesize that kind of nerve agent all the mystery components are easily available on the open market any specialist in organic chemistry would be able to make it though every expert we talked to said that you need serious expertise and substantial funding to make a pure nerve agent was a myth and of course you can't make this in any basement the chemicals are highly toxic and the love has to be well equipped with ventilation detoxification equipment every concern for such as this but there are twenty or so labs that counter. the argument that there is no alternative explanation because only russia has made new rich ox thing else. britain's decision to classify almost every aspect of what happened and the investigation as called the room and
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mill running but there are tidbits that have leaked out tidbits that have the scientists scratching their heads the interesting thing with nova chalks is that there are so many of them and they come in so many different forms they can come in a powered as solid as a crystal and even as a liquid but just to give you some reference if this was a variety of the nova chucks a single drop is enough to kill ten people ten people within minutes if this was in the hailed even more units one important thing we can hail symptoms appear and follows in minutes if it gets on the skin symptoms and can take from minutes to hours. at first one might think that the script could only have survived because the dude's had to be very small but the reported symptoms don't match
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they're simply missing if indeed this was a new rich aka nerve agent at work the script bells were very fortunate. or three hundred thousand demonstrators have marched through barcelona calling for the release of jailed leaders from the cabel on the separatist movement. several top officials were detained after catalonia proclaimed independence last october the move came following a referendum which went ahead despite spain prohibiting the vote and declaring the result illegal in response the catalan parliament was dissolved and its leaders accused of rebellion protesters have been calling for charges to be dropped against the region's former president carter who is now in exile in germany. public and those backing independents have called the measures too harsh. or serious a problem is the price paid by these politicians who are elected by the people we
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cannot allow it not for anything in the world that's how i feel and there are many who feel the same this is the proof and i'm here today because i am outraged by everything that's going on just as all the people here today are i want freedom for our compatriots. well this week saw another wave of clashes between police and environmental activists near the french city of najaf. tensions in the area have escalated since the deployment of thousands of police officers earlier in the week activists known as zobrist have protested for a decade against the construction of a new airport near the city some even built makeshift houses and moved in there but since plans for the new transport hub were finally rejected in january the police have been trying to forcefully victim our friends question it is following.
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the standoff continues on the sunday between the police and if you just look behind me this is just one of the many barriers you can see dummy just here but there are also in the fields behind us as we are trying to come through this field just right . and rows of place even coming into the area of not too dumb to land on sunday they will police cordons around the entire area checking i.d.'s people will come into the site and that's because the saddest sight called for action for people to come and support them on some day to support their attempts to stay on this land land that many people have been living on for the last ten years.
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the arab. let's take a look at what happened earlier this week as the expulsion of the scientists began what's happening now is this is the battle between the police the c.r.s. will the government and the protesters the saddest who say that this is their land and they will do anything they can to defend it they've been throwing bottles they've been throwing fire at the place and the police have been responding in kind with tear gas at times it felt like the sky was raining with tear gas and a colleague's video agency will cool it up in that take us back to saturday. because you. already feel like i don't want you to see
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well as you can see now the zionists have let fly to one of these a barrier case the police are just about a hundred meters down in the distance ready waiting for whether they going to charge forward and i just want you to just look around me and you can see all of the smoke and. that is because it literally has been raining down with tear gas here in not a done deal and if you look behind me there is a follow up in that in the background it is incredibly difficult to breathe we keep being moved on by that gas is actually chlorine to my skin because it hurt so much . real brewing. coffee school board room. but as you can see behind us the c.r.s. and the police have come into another zat this point this is a point where. a couple of dozen people were trying to hold off if you can see the
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police are pushing the way they steer gas in the air already they've put dogs in this world they are absolutely determined that they will move the saddest away from this camp we saw one man with a placard saying no violence he was taken away by the police as he was trying to peacefully resist what's happening here what we can see is the police are now trying to push everybody away a tactic that we've seen earlier in the day whether you choice right getting rid of all of the saddest or the activists they can then bring the bulldozers in to get rid of these buildings this is sheer brute force by the state and it is wreaking because they are clearing this site a site that's been occupied for many many years is sad could be over faster than many people thought it would be because she's also still continuing to tear gas is still being spread well here in the city of nohant which is about
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thirty kilometers south of not too dumb to launch has been plenty of to guess and people are saying they are incredibly angry. relations between the u.k. and russia might be at an all time low but that did not stop british football fans from traveling to moscow for a major european match on thursday ahead of a game some media in the u.k. ran articles warning of suppose and threats awaiting british supporters you sally met up with one arsenal super fan to see if the headlines were in fact true. this on my way to consider you a very prominent hostile fan going to be all seeing him when he travels from moscow to does he have any fear is regarding the political tension between the u.k. and russia is he worried about things like hooliganism. follow him throughout history how do you feel in this context you know. in the noda there's been
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a lot going on between the governments waffling between the governments and i'm a person this is football we're going for football you know if you listen to people around you in the u.k. a lot some people are coming up to me and say robbie don't go there you'd be mad in an oil some of you've been to russia and i say well no i haven't come out i can i get advice for someone who has been there have also been concerns with regard to safety so for example hooliganism and also racism you know you've seen fings about russia and things of happened in russia that's not going to be a problem but up in qana encouraged because of a lot received e-mails from groups over there in russia. immediately some release not nearly as bad as what it's made out to be. on the plane about to head out to russia. looking forward to it.
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it's a place i never before. to a thousand also supporters come over to watch the game many of them have been advised by the foreign and commonwealth office as well saying they could be an uptake of anti british sentiment amongst some russians due to the heightened tension between the two countries at the moment well i mean like in moscow already . well we're very worried about coming here because really it's uncertain baxley so it's all right there's no taking certain bits where you can also. explain it to the pulitzer since get on with it. you know we
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don't want to look around moscow sailboat in the news so what will be most days of this game how will they know if the stories are going to get a feeling that would it will come to be good so that when it doesn't for me i will be back in about thirty five minutes with a full look at your weekly you're watching our international and we are certainly glad to have you with us. what politicians do sometimes you can. put themselves on the line. to get accepted over checked. so when you want to be president i'm sure. most some want to. have to try to be precise this is what before three in the morning can't be good that i'm interested always in the why is it not how. this should.
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because the slowness of the mood of them so moving. to build your school board local was before. much of those who heard the particular fear they would use to see him with the north we will forgo. the move. move. move show you the stupid you will to live in the media since the glitter it would. move just like most of these girls a good few films for good goof. go to show so look i do the same you want me to show the story to the i should go. to starbucks to get it to me to fill it with the lid of the mist they'd say look it is it's. true stuff's not just test just new it's the mashed old truck stop the president and please control this project until.
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those we have produced to toast the spirit to snap them up when you will because that is the cousin with you swear your supporters to your machine station shouldn't for you should cook door for one whose job is the. american sanctions would be dominating but i mean day is this justice is a fad is this all us or more jews a country like a dish or bread but when it things it doesn't need it anymore it just costs the way i think it's it's very immoral.
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welcome to worlds apart delage chemical attack on a damascus suburb has once again the put the world on the brink of a major confrontation and not just one as russia and the united states have been repossessed meaning that big guns israel is the moment to strike what it's called the reining in assets in syria for so little respect for the country's sovereignty can't israel colony on its own interest being accommodated they have to discuss that i'm now joined by the group and ban shalom an israeli air force veteran and columnist for the jerusalem post colonel it's great pleasure talking to you thank you very much for joining us on such a beautiful day thank you for having me now before we go into discussing israel's rationale for attacking its neighbor militarily let me ask you about your own
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assessment of the situation in general you know the russian television package this week about what kind of foods you are supposed to stock up on in the event of a nuclear strike i wonder you've actually come to a point globally when dot kind of knowledge may prove practical i don't think so i think this may be a bit overdoing it this far as where the region can go but certainly the the possibility of a miscalculation and deterioration into a regional war that is possible remember that we're talking about a global power is a play israel is not a global power but we do have our interests are very vital interests which we are trying to protect now there was a moment when dan merrick an attack on syria seemed not just an abba to blow but also imminent. possibly expansive and evolving not just syrian targets but since then both washington and i think if the european allies have stabbed back
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a little bit. do you take it as a tactical move or do you think there has been some reassessment about what has actually happened and do more perhaps they were assessing went off what can happen as a result of the american strikes i think there's a problem in the way we perceive this something happens in this case it was the chemical attack on civilians in the syria and then the public in the media are waiting for the response of course playing into this is also this this very unique american president which tells us via twitter what he plans to do and so everyone's waiting for this attack remember that the last attack by the united states was also not a game changer but more a signal and also here again is a for waiting we're sitting back and waiting for the american response it's not going to be toppling the syrian regime so it's going to be something calculated in the middle we don't know what we don't know when but of course this is the american calculation i wouldn't make a mistake of tying israel into this and also remember that the last attack by
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israel on two four had nothing to do with a chemical attack israel is not a global player player as far as being the regional a policeman and we are not carrying out messages by global powers we are looking out for our own interests i personally believe that the timing here was coincidental well colonel as you said we have a very very unusual president in the white house and i personally think that flipping a coin is more reliable than predicting mr trump's actions but i still wonder after everything that was written and sat and then taken back and done written and sat again do you seeing districts will still follow yes i think it will happen it's clear to me that the american administration will have to fulfill this kind of promise given to their people into the world i think president trump has decided strategic and military considerations all. the very important consideration of his word of standing by his word remember that he criticized president obama for
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drawing a line in the sand or declaring a red line and then not enforcing it he even made made fun of him for this so i think it's very clear now that if president trump said that there is going to be response then it will be i just think that our expectations in a way that this american response will be so severe that it will be a game changer i think this is not the case it will again be messages and very careful calculation by the americans not to deteriorate into a clash a direct confrontation with russia but even if it's a targeted strike it's not actually you know a tiny little trifle it's actually a military attack on a sovereign nation don't you think that you watch it maybe we are overplaying the danger but don't you think that you are underestimating the significance of all of this because this is not what you're supposed to do to strike a your neighbor or another nation across the world militarily i know that these are all dotted on regular bases but this is actually against international law ok again that's not separate remember that russia is now inside
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a different country on the invitation of the legitimate u.n. recognized syrian government understood i'm not even going to argue that issue i'm just saying that certainly countries look out for their interests and like i said completely separated from the israeli case that we can discuss later that has nothing to do with this issue i think the americans for instance if they decide to take out installations that specifically have to do with chemical weapons i think all mankind would agree that that is a positive thing to do because using chemical weapons to all mankind is considered a serious violation of international law of our basic morals so again i'm not that i'm giving recommendations to the united states i'm just saying i can certainly understand why the united states with their global responsibilities and their interest in the middle east will want to signal to the assad regime that these red lines are serious now can i take it from your comments that you fully. subscribe to the version of assad's culpability in this so horrendous attack and i wonder if
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you're basing your conclusions on the promise of his irrationality heem being evil but still pursuing pragmatic goals or perhaps on the contrary human being totally and suicidally mad very good question trying to figure out leaders in the region is extremely complicated i'm going to say that i gave up completely but it's extremely complicated as far as a president of looking out for his own interest maintaining his regime i think this goal has in the way enabled him to use many means that many of us would consider not appropriate and crossing and violating moral codes. using chemical weapons let's just make it very clear as an israeli i would strongly argue not to make a judgment by video clips you see in the media the media is manipulated by various factors in the region that has interests this is done a lot to us i would not do that to others but in this case i think the world health
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organization's and other international institutions that time and time again go in verify and say that actually samples taken taken in the field demonstrate that chemical weapons have been used i think it's safe to say they will we see now in syria is extremely troubling to say the least i think you are slightly misrepresenting what their world health organization has actually sab expressed concern about the use of chemical weapons and i think we would all agree that using chemical weapons is absolutely inadmissible i think even the syrian government would state i'm pretty firmly but the world health organization sad that they have received reports from some of the part there are going is ations in the field one of such part there are going to zation sc included syrian american medical association which is indeed a fairly heated debates. i slammed reach was in control of that territory so i as of now. now i don't think there is any single international organization that has actually suggested what you have suggested i think it's best that every one of our
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viewers goes in assesses the data that's out there i said and i'll say it again we've to be very careful to jump to conclusions i am certainly not an expert on using chemical weapons remember that when you say chemical weapons as a variety of of chemicals out there some are classic chemical weapons like seran gas and also there's been a use of chlorine in syria i wouldn't even address this specific attack and again remember i'm an israeli standing here in israel trying to analyze the situation. looking at the last few years of what's happening in syria seeing this regime clinging as hard as they can to the throne when this war has taken such a devastating toll of hundreds and thousands of people killed and this so many displaced mainly my concern is an israeli this is the instability in the suffering of my neighbors and not a calculation of what specific issues have to do with the assad regime in general by the way most israelis would tell you know that the assad regime has proven unfit
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to rule but again we're talking about interests i know understand and appreciate that russia is inside of syria to maintain and uphold the syrian regime and quite successfully let me ask you specifically about the russian position because you yourself gave twenty five years of your life to military service i'm sure you understand that in military terms using chemical weapons in that particular situation was absolute nonsense to many liabilities to little gains especially given that the syrian army was poised to take over that suburb anyway but even if you believe that the assad government authorized tag do you think the russians now oddly being slagged or willfully covering up for that government which as you sad has perpetrated such a car and this crime against its people you know israel has a lot of respect for us. we have very good cooperation coordination with respect with some of what's going on and i understand and appreciate that russia is looking
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out for its interests also russian forces are inside of syria and have a good view of what's going on so it's very difficult and i think it would be a mistake on my part to do that kind of calculation again going to the specific attack i didn't even say and i cannot see who was it ordered by who is it approved by who knew about it and i would rather look at the broader picture even you know also i think we make a mistake them sometimes after hundreds and thousands of people killed taking one specific incident of using korean and being shocked as if that is from crossing some red line and all the rest all the other people that are you know that's that's war also that i think is a mistake i think many times the the meanings that are used in the internal war in syria are means that are questionable and i'm talking about bombing a civilian and terrorist act colonel it's not like israel has never done that itself of bombing civilian areas let's let's not get into that discussion because i seriously don't think it's anywhere going to never would we go in carpet bomb
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a civilian population we have a question gaza right now as we speak we're not bombing gaza well you did on many occasions before and the same happened in beirut in lebanon but i am not interested in pursuing the truth because i think syria is more pressing issue right now let me ask you specifically what you mentioned before so that we we should not draw conclusions based on our own social media videos because they could be manipulated and the al qaeda affiliates which provided those videos jaish al islam which was in control of when that attack happened which was accused by amnesty international of using gas poisonous gas against the kurds in two thousand and sixteen days girl was documented rearranging children's corpses for emotional impact there are also strong indications that they have applied foam to the mouse of some of the corpses. are you saying that these groups actions and potential motives do you not to raise any suspicions on your part may surprise you but again i will not take
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a specific video clip and draw conclusions from that and that's why i would not claim to know exactly what happened in a specific attack i'm looking at the broader picture of what's happening in syria and when you ask me what is my aspiration as an israeli my aspiration is stability and peace in syria and stopping the stopping the suffering in the killing of people so so so again i'm not i'm not claiming to know exactly what is being done but do you already claimed that it was the outside government that was behind it there's no doubt in my mind and also relying on israeli sources which i believe are more based on intelligence there's no doubt in my mind that there are tactics that are used by the assad regime which we would consider not moral and certainly there have been chemical attacks in syria and even we have to look not far back into the future and understanding that there were chemical weapons that in the agreement
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