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are welcome to. being with us this hour. with breaking news today russia says the organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons cannot identify the country or the laboratory of origin of the nerve agent . poisoning without further ado let's go live to t.v. . reporting from london obviously very convoluted story a lot of. unanswered questions indeed what do we know so far. well those two sons are going to go away by the looks of things it seems a bit of a stalemate we're seeing so we've been just watching the press conference carried out by the russian reps for the o.p.c. w. sugar he said

a number of things at that press conference i've been following it he said that the the o.p.c. w. report supported the u.k. version that navi chalk was indeed the poison used to fatal attack he also said that the u.k. . had a tryout of accusations so one of them being that the u.k. showed that russia continues the creation of naga chalk russia apparently russia uses such substances abroad to exterminate enemies abroad it says that russia believes traitors are legitimate targets and also the u.k. claims it respects the o.p.c. w. and russia refuses to cooperate now russia did ask a quick key question here that was it true that the o.p.c. the report can't pin the origin of the agent and the reply was no it's impossible to pin it on a country now earlier the o.p.c. they held a closed door session at their headquarters in the hague and during the session

delegates were tweeting their statements and we had a little bit of a trickle of what was going on behind those closed doors and also what the u.k. representative to the a p c w was saying and there was a power arch of accusations and we're seeing it from both sides as i said before russia responded to those leaks by releasing a rather strong statement off the back of those comments which perpetrates the u.k. representative to the o p c w and they said two other points during that meeting which was russia has altered all the questions that the u.k.'s asked with regards to solve three and the other point was that russia said that they provided proof that not a child was. and painted in the u. s. as a chemical weapon back in twenty fifteen now from the british side the representative there he repeated the government stance which is that it was highly likely that

moscow was behind the attack and the reasoning that they gave for bad was that no one else had the motive or indeed the means to do so so if we look at that full statement that the delegations produced and we try and decipher what was in it it appears that there was confirmation from the british side that there was no information about the thought of that chemical agent that was used in the salisbury attack let's have a quick listen to what was said. neither d.s. tales analysis nor the b.c.w.s. report identifies the country or lab of the origin of the agent used in this attack there is no plausible turns of explanation for what happened in salisbury the russian state the sponsibility were believed to only brusha had the technical means operational experience and the motive to target the scribbles we've waited for a long time counting on our british colleagues to provide some proof any sorts of

facts for their strong statements the british side continues to spread absolutely unfounded accusations dropping ever new and sometimes bizarre versions of what happened. so what you heard there was a little bit of what both of the representatives said. and you can see as an outsider the frustration on both sides of the camp where the british are sticking to their line saying that they have other sources which provided evidence and that's the reason why russia have retaliated with very strong accusations in fact in the in the statement released has outlined what he calls eight lies that have been circulated by the british authorities involved in that script case let's take a quick look at what he outlined.

now so to clarify the situation to date there has been no definitive independent evidence that points to russia being categorically responsible for creating the chemical weapon that was used in that attack and there's also no definitive evidence that it was the kremlin that ordered that attack so from the russian perspective despite the lack of evidence they feel that this this is this is being basically widely ignored by the international community. as it does seem further from the truth. nearly seven weeks ago now to deal with

reporting from our london bureau. so experts told us they're not surprised that the probe didn't identify the exact origin of the agent. my understanding under the chemical weapons convention it wasn't deede the job of the o.p.c. doubly to try and establish where these weapons come from but it's very difficult if they are claiming it came from some former soviet abara tree then they do need to allow the russian government have access to some of the thump of to try and test it see if they can find the strain that it might have come from but having said that as i mentioned before. it's been established that the formulae for these agents have been out there they've been published in a book that was still available allison up until a couple of weeks ago it can determine the look border treat from which any any near region in any given near region or substance was produced. but even if they can determine the dollar tree that does not mean that the border tree in the country the country and which the border tree is located is responsible these nerve

agents could be saw him but obviously in this case they have not been able to even determine the level of to which this particular new region was produced so this just adds wore off. to the narrative that's been spun. we have p.c. w.'s also in the spotlight on wednesday in syria as it came under fire while trying to end the duma is force the watchdogs motion to perspire on a probe into the latest chemical attack in the city on april seventh auntie's into trying to join me in the street here with more on this. this story with the o.p.c. w. mission to syria it is interesting in a sense that at least here all sides are united in a sense that they're saying they want the investigators to get to the bottom of this and really no one expected the chemical watchdog's mission to syria to be a piece of cake and there you have it the staff can't even get to the area where

allegedly the chemical attack happened first i just want to break down the process for you how it works and initially the u.n. security team is meant to be sent on the ground to assess whether it's safe to work there and the agreement has been that at a certain stage they must be escorted by the syrian troops and at a different stage by russia's military police so the security staff apparently they were on this initial one trip to put it this way and according to an official statement by the o.p.c. w. they came under small arms fire and then also an explosive device was detonated and that was the reason why they had to retreat and go back to damascus what reaction we had so far to what happened up there and i can tell you that the russian military has officially confirmed that the incident took place and also we

understand from the statement from the washing army that the exchange of fire happened when it was specifically the syrian army and charge of providing security for that swat. teams a very brutal securing the u.n. reconnaissance mission in the city of duma a skirmish you could between the syrian security service and figures in the office the from the syrian security service was slightly wounded in an exchange of fire. so the syrian army was escorting the. u.n. team and they were the ones that repelled this this alleged attack well this is what moscow is saying and after all the it was the syrian soldier who got injured apparently in that attack but i just want to bring up something else here and point out that previously washington and london were pointing the finger at russia and their allies syria for what they called trying to hide facts and also hamper the mission of the chemical watchdog in syria the syrian regime has reportedly been

attempting to conceal the evidence by searching the factories from duma to ensure samples are not being smuggled from this area and the wider operation to conceal the facts of the attack is underway supported by the russians i think we've seen that the russian government and the syrian government their whole goal in this is to try to cover up their goal is to try to deflect attention so if they could put this back on us they would certainly like to do it so on the other hand of course it's not up to the u.n. and the o.p.c. w to judge who this attack came from but what it is worth asking is whether the russians and the syrians are genuinely helping them out on the ground and if the answer is yes that might put london and washington in somewhat awkward position here. let's go live now to security analyst former u.k. army officer charles shu bridge discuss this further charles great to have you on

always big big questions remain don't go over do not rush has been blamed obviously for delaying access to the side of the alleged chemical attack it does appear there are some genuine safety concerns for the o.p.c. w. though what do you make of it. yes we've seen situations before in rebel held territory where least where rebel held territory of previous investigations where when access was gained by the view that they came under fire again and this was again some time ago and i think this is a situation. understandably wants to avoid and those hosting them the governments responsible for their safety want to be avoided as well and let's not forget as well in the previous two or three investigations that. have conducted into alleged nerve agent and chlorine use in syria. is one able to get to the scene of the alleged instance of tool because these areas were under the control of rebel groups

that couldn't themselves guarantee the safety perhaps even from their own fighters of westerners including inspectors going in and so of course the the first requirement of any work of this nature is that the officials the investigators the monitors are able to work in a secure environment and clearly today no matter what the cause and direction of this incident what's happened is that it's still not secure there naturally the western media and the western governments are of course going to try and spin this to their advantage to suggest that this is russia or syria trying to keep the inspectors away but really from my perspective at least as an observer of all of this that if the russian claims are true then of course no syrian claims it's in our interest to get the inspectors in as soon as they possibly can as was the syrian government here is you know if they do damned if they don't if they let those inspectors in their safety is compromised they're in the wrong and if they delay that there's accusations of a cover up but let's just get back to the crux of the issue the allegation is the

concern is rather at least from from washington for one that syria and russia could have already cleaned up the area could have got rid of any potential evidence not survive the concern is that. yeah there's no doubt that from any investigation where forensic evidence is concerned and possibly even more the case with perhaps quickly dissipating chemical substances one thinks for example was done the chemist of course we know from what we've read from real experts in chemistry field that for example chlorine traces will go quite quickly but for example chlorine is very freely available you found that in a previous investigations throughout syria and so the existence of chlorine itself may not be as significant as of course the possible perpetrator might be and. at this stage at least isn't going to go into or the like it's going to where the perpetrators actually lied but in respect to the allegations made let's not forget the white house it's the medical staff of the syrian american medical society

these are the two groups of people that have made these allegations in the first place they produced the videos and they've produced these claims and they claimed quite specifically that these symptoms and again the symptoms from what we see even of the remains of unfortunately that children inside it would appear to be in the in the videos that we've seen do suggest they have claimed that not just chloe but also a nerve agent was involved and it may well be the nerve agent it's going to be it but it's residues far more persistent i reference an interview that i saw yesterday in one of the u.k. newspapers with gerry smith who actually was one of the leaders of the clearing up of chemical weapons that syria declared and were cleared up at the end of by the end of ninety two thousand and sixteen he said but he used to be a. he stated categorically that even if an attempt was made this is yesterday stated this in the british media that even if determined attempt to clear up traces

of for example sarin was made that nonetheless inspectors should be out to find traces of the lessons of science even for another week and so up to now from a nerve agent perspective at least the delay and possible clean up attempts looks like that main. the significant issue we do need to wait for the official results but if we were to speculate just for a moment charles i mean look if the inspectors find evidence that was a chemical attack those airstrikes the britain france the u.k. they'll be vindicated won't they that will be you know p.r. win for them etc if they find the opposite or at least if it's found in conclusive do you think that lead to a change of rhetoric from the west on you know that chemical incident alleged chemical incident in particular and wider policy in syria as well. i suspect to determine a temple be made to muddy the water by the west especially the west media or the u.k. u.s. media or at least the u.s. u.k. government line i mean let's not forget that in the u.k. u.s.

mainstream media the moment it's a completely uniform there's one or two spots where actually tentative scenarios being put but generally speaking it backs the u.k. u.s. government and france government line completely and what we're already seeing is that of course journalists have got in on the ground robert fisk is a notable person i'm thinking of there he is he says and attended by syrian government employees and so on he spoke to all the residents to medical staff who none of whom confirmed the idea that there was a chemical attack carried out by president assad's forces already we see today the term attempt in the western media to discredit him as a person and the integrity of his reporting so we can expect to see that with the reporters well we're already i think seeing i'm detecting science myself that there is a slight backtracking amongst government statements for example we see some reporting today that the i think it's i the pentagon of the white house rowing back slightly saying well actually we weren't completely clear that's why we we were lying on

social media we were lying on activists on the ground and that's why we only carried out a limited strike so that already i think preparing the ground for the possibility at least that is so p.c. w a port isn't particularly helpful for example it may actually find that there were no trace of chemicals of chemical warfare that may be unlikely but it's a possibility of course that comes in in that case even if they do find traces of chemicals of course then the big issue the big question is what's this still a staged event using chemical it's perhaps by rebels or to help a white house is the allegation or was it a genuine attack as claimed by the west or by certain western countries by president assad it may well be that the. investigation even if it is a particular long and and. it's worked effectively it may not be able to answer those questions and i think many people may be disappointed whichever way the. report goes and one can only imagine of course the political pressure that is going to be working on the operation the operation of the organization over the weeks and

months ahead from possibly all sides certainly correct no easy task they have no easy work visions as well charles schumer is a security analyst a former british army officer thanks for your take great to have you on the program as always. reports of the alleged incident emerge from april the seventh meanwhile more questions have now been raised over this footage you can see there filmed by the white helmets rescue group and a local hospital at the video allegedly shows the aftermath of that chemical attack says the shuttle r.t. arabic visited that very hospital in duma they spoke with doctors and residents at the same they described what happened on the seventh of april claiming they saw no toxic agencies there.

people from the white helmets told us about the use of chemical weapons but we saw no sign of that if chemical weapons were used against those people our medical staff would have also been affected and. people poured water it's really good thing that we had been attacked with chemical weapons and that when somebody from outside shouting about a chemical attack don't know who that was we heard an explosion and somebody said it was a chemical weapon and we ran to where the noise came from and the started pouring the water over the people but they seemed to be ok and then walked away without any help on that but locals got confused somebody started pouring water over people's heads saying there had been a chemical attack i was at the spot with my wife and daughter but none of this experience any symptoms of chemical poisoning i mean while even some western media

are now calling into question the allegations of a chemical attack that soft a british journalist robert fisk visited duma and wasn't able to find anyone who can confirm the use of such chemical weapons washington however and its allies still have. little doubt the u.s. britain and france chose not to wait for the official probe before launching air raids against syria in the early hours of saturday. was despite the much of the publicly available information on the alleged attack coming from controversial activist groups such as the white helmets on the syrian american medical society both groups of thought to be funded by the west including by western government organizations i was so far of course most group went to be investigating the alleged chemical incidents and actually visited the site of where it happened as those that earlier of course w. . its probe that was planned for wednesday the world health organization is not on the ground. there's

a thing we have it's called intelligence gathering the united states has excellent intelligence gathering other countries do as well so i would ask you should the united states and her allies wait around for bashar al assad to use more chemical substances on is people should we wait around for that formal investigation that could take months and months this is you know actually scandalous that the u.s. has launched a strike based on insurgent tied social media sources well this is exactly what defense secretary jim maddest said that a briefing several days ago where he didn't have solid intelligence on any chemical attack and do know what he did have were social media reports people saying stuff on the internet and who were those people the same people that state department spokesperson heather now what's referring to there the syrian white helmets which has been funded to the tune of at least twenty three million dollars by the state

department. following the weekend bombing raids in syria a bipartisan group of u.s. senators has unveiled new legislation which is aimed at limiting the white house's power to continue its global war on terror. for too long congress has given presidents a blank check to wage war we've let the nine eleven and iraq war authorizations get stretched to justify wars against multiple terrorist groups in over a dozen countries from egypt to the philippines our proposal finally repeals those authorizations and makes congress do its job by weighing in on where when and with who we were at war. the proposed legislation would require the president to give congress forty eight hours notice ahead of any new military action congress would then have up to sixty days to review that move and doesn't set a limit for any military action however it doesn't clue to congressional review every four years the proposal also expands the president's authority to take action against all terrorist groups al qaeda isis or the taliban but not

a state of the current war powers have been in place since nine eleven that we mused about fourteen times in fourteen different countries we discussed the proposal overhaul with former u.s. congressman ron paul. it more or less is defining things slightly differently but in one slow up i think the effort to go to war i don't think it really repeals their war powers resolution but it does say that congress gives the president authority to go to war against radical violent groups like al qaida and i says and maybe taliban but they say not a country. i really don't think it's going to pass. we'll see i only welcome the debate but i think they'll wake up and find out it's not doing anything and that when they pass these resolutions most of the time things here worse this whole idea that you can fight radicals any place in the world that's

what they're doing already it just gives more authority to the type of policy that we've been following and getting us into trouble. in other headlines too jewish men wearing traditional caps have been attacked with a belt by not a big speaking youthful mistreats of but in one of the victims managed to film the incident. that up was susan. susan is from it is just. a thought. but. what did. she it. was like. what we have is an incident where by two jewish men who were wearing the traditional kipper are yarmulke on their heads were pursued down the street by a group of three people who attacked them with a belt they shouted the. arabic word for jew them as they pursued them in

response we do hear one of the. of those that was attacked who was actually filming at the same time saying whether i'm jewish or not you've got to deal with this there's a lot of focus on the police here in germany at the moment to get a result in this case the the whole incident is caught on film we have a clear view of the perpetrators for all the alleged perpetrators face. but also because this isn't the only incident this isn't a standalone moment if we look back just the last month there was a case where by a jewish primary school student on saying that she was jewish was told that well you should be beaten and killed for that there's also been incidents whereby a israeli born ballet dancer in the shona burg area of the city was well over his staff were harassed at a restaurant that he set up saying that they should be burned or gassed all of

these things of course fitting into the the worst descriptions of anti semitism war we have right now is a lot of focus on the authorities to find the perpetrators in this particular incident as he said we do have that video footage and what we also heard from heiko masses the reasonably newly appointed for. minister of germany while he was visiting israel last month he did say that anti semitism was a shame that has become bearable on germany so you can imagine not only is there a lot of public pressure on the press on the police to find these perpetrators there's also going to be rather a lot of political pressure as well as the news update from myself and a team here at r.t. see you back in about thirty five minutes for the latest global updates and headlines.

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