and boiled to syria. western news so strikes on syria every night in world war three for years but with little actual damage and no follow up attacks is the escalation over how will the strikes influence the d.-d. a syrian peace process and are you really helping to end this never more. money former deputy u.n. envoy to syria welcome to the show good to have you with us today lots to talk about now the syrian government the russians to ronnie as they are expressed are a condemnation of their western we sell strikes on syria that was last week but even the syrian opposition leaders have also called them a farce called them too weak and even dangerous so have this strike has been pretty much useless than if they didn't make anyone happy. one of the troops things are getting very complex because the two major things that are scaring me that is the first one is everything is becoming good and showing about it's becoming

a war by proxy so everybody is involved. internationally and a huge part of it is becoming by proxy make that closes the second element is security and these. missions it was only one of their when i was doing double but now it's there because you see a lot of militia from one side shop on the other side of sudanese and we're just kind of for conflicts it's kind of go a bit about but about this particular strikes that i've just mentioned do you feel like they were useless. well if there were political for short you know. you know that does a blockage in the security council but according to the charter anything which is military is for to be approved according to the security council. resolution for sure just as well use the word complexities it shows the complexity is what they're going to because it's going to be everyone who's challenging it all that. you know

we know when we can begin a wall but we don't know when he is going to and i was going to develop so you have the u.n. security united nations secretary general also hinted that the security council should have been asked first but abstained from open criticism of the united states and its allies you worked for the united nations for a while does it bother you that a united nations security council is kind of be sidelined not asked not refer to. well it's express on time you know during the strongest controlling good spot of it because this is the will of the members of the security council thank god sometimes it can be balanced by. some principles inside the security council but for shorter you know what facing one of the worst guys is not going to find

a way i don't know how it's going to happen is it through the security council or do we need much more than security council when i see no proposal the last proposal of the french president to to make some contact is it going to be an international conference or will that about to you know everything coming up in a month while we need first is a political will of all parties you know toward is all this question to. the syrian people living so this strikes were not extensive or particularly damaging were they undertaken more for the home audience or so they participant contrarious than to actually solve problems inside syria. well there were always and explore short but strikes one of them. so. precise and you know it's going to go as i say the anywhere i. go i think through the open to what is going in the coming weeks so for sure for sure

a good will from older parties and when i say all parties include everybody locally these are live and internationally because out with us still living with a lot of conflicting does when you're going to situation see that to the rest of the middle is to the problem between so do. american president is that i and you know do with. some. we heard the saudis are that to go down. underground so it's kind of be and the will to fail the reason that all of it is in the situation is very very dangerous so the rhetoric surrounding the strikes was very hit but the strike themselves were limited and didn't escalate just like we underlined emphasize does that mean that behind the scenes there are diplomatic forces at work that are more constructive than trumps fiery tweets and mutual threats do you feel like the diplomats are working stage without us knowing it.

well we know the situation in syria is not including you know many thought is diplomats about also owns the goods services so that for sure that a little contact a lot of contacts between them through different channels does is why it stopped the way and there were no casualties you know human casualties on booking about oh some people for sure and i'm happy for that because if it was another case but what i see after the russian man is the lover of was talking about the possibility of her considering. positively the request of the shouldn't go over them and to give some three hundred of the messiah. when you see things there with the situation with is that i know with everybody that you know it's going to explode in a read of it about way britain's foreign secretary boris johnson has said that the airstrikes were aimed at getting assad to the geneva negotiation table well least

airstrikes make us more talkative more came to talk really make him come back to this format. i don't think this is this is the best which i mean the best way is to make much more but i shot from the russian and the sitting government you know. i worked with them when i was there and one of the things that trips me all the time and i'm talking about the syrian government i kept asking them you have to develop a poll it's a conversion or council is getting destroyed in state of the security vision kidnapping and the arresting people but. they are lies the only reason to have a security vision so that should be changing in a way to save syria you know the council is totally destroyed more than the fatah fifteen million people left don't home marriages internally displaced people this is really about and i think it's time able to dissolve that there was a course of very good as it is on the negotiation table to find

a final solution now so far the geneva peace process hasn't been very effective they asked are not talks organized by running iran turkey at least pushed forward to scale ation zones which significantly reduced the level of violence in syria so now we have two parallel peace process is where you basically pursue one goal what would be more rational to focus on the more effective one. well i'm not sure it will fix if you know everything is better of it or not and of course if you're competitors and have a question about was must why though and to discuss the future of syria was not was not because of a sign it's not because it's well limited thing because there was no real fight in syria and it what it's going to troponin joining. if you will cause them for august you know the problem of the chemicals in august and thirteen until now the

use of chemical even invented limits of them according to somebody. who was more than one hundred times so we cannot really. about some positive development i think since well richard is russian. it should be samantha so that's the news you need and making. everybody with a good i'm not talking about positive progression i'm talking about the fact that the only process that brought you know concise facts was destine our process and the un envoy on syria stuff on the mr a takes part in the astronaut process surely that means the u.n. finds it useful. well there was so off of that you know that's. right the west didn't accept it and. the last thing happening is. like i think the best way is to be very inclusive everybody has his own agenda in syria and to include everybody except of course the terrorist groups we know.

and then process but those. are the groups the government of syria the region of the russian diplomatic and the member of the security council should be this is why i wonder why it should not be much why the international conference for peace in syria why are france u.k. and the united states eager to use force if necessary but i'm willing to sit down and do the tedious work of organizing talks why that left iran and turkey and russia to that are the western allies not willing to break a sweat or to do some actual negotiation the westerners sometime and i find that very the cholas in the us position because they keep insisting i heard from you was you know the message was very clear do use of chemical will top and then more people. getting killed in syria by. every week

and that you have a lot of stubbornness and it's not all they do use of chemicals you know what i'm talking about about is about all kinds of things that would. also busying from. using your mother's side of the situation is the benefit of it's not that simple that you know ok well going to strike down not going to it was if there was again the chemical i'm going to do with it's very simplistic and i was in in my personal view all right we're going to take a short break right now when we're back we'll continue talking about that money former deputy u.n. envoy to syria discussing the controversy. on the recent u.s. strikes on syria stay with us.

prints the money and then the pentagon blows it up in various countries around the world are sends us soldiers out there to get maimed and blown up you don't die for your country to protect democracy you die in america to stop inflation that's what the soldiers out there are dying for they should replace the american flag upside down dollar sign or something. and we're back was my money former deputy un envoy to syria talking about the

situation in ravaged country the money he had conducted an investigation into the use of chemical weapons in syria before. assad that was in two thousand and thirteen i believe and you saw evidence pointing to the fact that jabhat al nusra wasn't possession of chemical weapons was the fact that the syrian rebels have chemical weapons ignore it and why is everyone always talking about damascus no i didn't conduct any mission. and i was assuming the group you know to conduct look. in august. two thousand and thirteen but we were keeping since the beginning of my mission in two thousand and twelve used to move it off in every sense of the two different. from contact trying to keep contact with all actors with all groups out of the groups we went with everybody who was involved.

also to get information when it happened but you know all of this. sometimes a lot of conflicting information. about the. the sponsor. of course was how to get in front you know because when people in the wall of the drews ever think again although you know even the lies even a lot of things so this is why we said you know i said i suppose anyone involved in syria in the will see that it was the. evidence they know it was so. yes but that was exactly my question do you feel like all sides could have access to chemical weapons and not just damascus yes right so why don't leave them there and if you know what way what i know you can ask is being when you are in the service is involved. well see this one time that kind of chemicals i'm not an expert of chemicals that can be only in the hands of the government but also can

service is involved in syria so they're not trying to give to anyone this kind of chemicals the opus a-w. is starting this fact finding mission in duma to establish if they cameco attack did take place so how would you estimate were the u.s. coalition strikes undertaken before facts were on the table. i don't know you know if you go to the all the missions first of all would be different it's a preferred not to dismiss if it was backed by a security council resolution if you give a political will to that mission which is not the case in the other case and we know in different experiences of the just of the member what happened during. the missions in iraq of inspectors in iraq you know all going in the fight to put within this mission a lot of the asians and would remember the question of david give you know the senate i mean they can guy who are finishing their mission made

a book on their record and i thought here was that in the name of the. so and sometimes even though it's with one of the last missions in syria when this does the use of chemicals four times two times by isis and two times the way the government of course it was rejected by the government of syria as well as by the russian the syrian government didn't do it but it's a bit out to know did it does america and its allies actions actually defeat the purpose of the o.p.c. w mission i mean they're basically sending the message to the whole world that the mission doesn't make sense what they assume they know is result i mean what is it do they assume that they know the results beforehand there's a huge lack of mistrust between the parties everybody was talking about the mission is going to be in do much when probably.