a he's a to mizi anational and he's believed to have joined al qaeda in afghanistan back in two thousand and illegibly worked as one of osama bin laden's bodyguards because he was already a german resident by that point he dented germany three years prior a need on a student visa when he came back he filed an asylum request that was denied in two thousand and six and a court in germany described him as an acute and considerable danger to public security but a higher court subsequently overrode the deportation order and they cited concerns that this man sami a would be subjected to torture back home in tunisia now sami a was never actually charged with terrorist activities in germany but all sources deem him a security risk and he has to report to a police station on a daily basis he and this whole story has been unearthed again because it's caught the attention of the alternative for germany party they're the ones that put in

a request with the regional authorities to find out the status of this man and how much money he's getting in benefits payments and it's triggered harsh criticism from both the f.d.a. party but also from senior voices within angular merkel's own c.d.u. party german asylum laws being shamelessly exploited here do we have to give a terrorist tax money because we cannot deport him i have known the standing of the school. and now this situation where suspected terrorists use human rights laws to avoid deportation is by no means the new here in the u.k. there have been similar cases last year a government report a home office report here revealed that over forty foreign born terrorists are devoid did deportation from the u.k. i think the reason this case with sami a in germany has caused so much concern is because it's very hard to stomach this idea that somebody who's

a suspected terrorist is getting government money. there's been a wave of protests in the united states several cases of african-american citizens being arrested all told to leave in public places up the debates just after the short break.

dropping bombs brings to the chicken hawks forced me to fight the battle. for new socks for the tell you that will be gossip and public but. they. tell me you are not cool enough to buy their little. hawks along with all. welcome back to the program the number of incidents involving african-americans being arrested or asked to leave public facilities in the u.s. has led to protests by anti-racism campaigners three such incidents have occurred only in the last two weeks the first one happened at

a philadelphia starbucks where two black men were arrested after being told to leave because they hadn't placed an order another case took place at a golf club in york pennsylvania where five black women were asked to leave for playing too slowly the club later apologized for that incident then at the waffle house diner in alabama an african-american woman was wrestled to the floor and arrested for allegedly belligerent behavior the video of her arrest has now gone viral all to discuss this we're joined live by author and activist john perkins and human rights activist randy short gentlemen great to have you both on the program today thanks for joining us around if i can perhaps go to you first with this question these are obviously private establishment under what circumstances do you think a restaurant or another facility is justified in asking a guest to leave excuse me my title as dr randy is sure to have a ph d. and for a master's degree i think. it's

a sin future reference. to the titles thank you ira it's very simple we have a civil rights bill it's parents fifty three years ago fifty four years i'm sorry. we still have these problems so. this is not shocking to anyone that is. black or brown that this is this this is an ongoing situation these just happen to be in the media. it's wrong but it is a part of life in this country for many people and it happens all the time and various manifestations. john i mean do you believe private businesses should be allowed to decide who's welcome on the property who isn't i mean isn't there an obligation here by those businesses to respect civil rights laws that guarantee rights to americans regardless of their race. fortunately i don't have any doctorates but my name's dave so there's my correction for you i have

a great difficulty with the starbucks incident i'm not as familiar with the other two five people on a golf course are going to be slow no matter what so let's dismiss that one and the newest one i'm not familiar with but in the case of the starbucks event first of all that is a very left wing very democrat party oriented organization so i find it ironic that they find themselves under the gun for racist act and in the spotlight and kind of like deer in the headlights they don't know what to do because the pressure has been brought on them and they kind of thought themselves insulated from that by their political positions they had taken but that aside the young lady calling the police said to them sadly with the side loiterers again she didn't say anything about race and she did indicate that that had been a problem before that people come in that store sit and take up space and use of solti's and don't order anything so this is

a problem that businesses are entitled to deal with especially those that serve the public in a way with limited space and a lot of turnover yes they're entitled to say you need to order something or leave and at the point of confrontation i understand the gentlemen were not physically violent but they were annoyed at being confronted that way and made up their minds to resist and it went all the way to the police coming in and taking them on an inquest because they wouldn't leave this is where i asked myself the question at what point do you treat black people like ordinary people and subject them to ordinary rules of society at what point do you stop taking every incident as racism and start of valuating them as human beings and how they're acting that's my question if i can get back to talk to show on this i mean how large is the racism probably meant you mentioned it is a very salient issue in the united states have things i mean obviously things have moved on since the times of segregation you argue that. that there are still you're telling way to go and lots of things are wonderful. for certain people there

they're fine there we have maybe ten to fifteen percent of the black population that's doing great. eighty five percent have major problems and the further down you get the poor the population is things are unchanged if not worse than what they were when martin luther king was walking around wearing out shoe leather so. yes there's been improvement for very wealthy african-americans who who make who have the top twenty percent of black folks have about ninety percent of the money if you would have pull us out and make us a separate country we would have one of the most an equal distribution so wealth of any nation so rich blacks are having a great time working class and poor blacks it's hell as usual and terms of loitering the loitering laws that developed in this country followed the so-called

emancipation and then the elimination of slavery where blacks either didn't have places to be or go duty having never at any money because they were enslaved ojt laws that is things where as can be useful if you apply justly but the same old thanks as. it's just the process of ethnic cleansing that we all think in an era and you have a housing and a banking system that makes certain people poor and homeless then you have a problem so these businesses end up absorbing the side effect of their being a part of this possessing people where they live should bombs and other folks be and your establishment the answer is no but the solution is not police everywhere the solution is that we've got to do something to help their king and poor people

in america and this is exactly what has happened it is not just black or it's it's war in general are just as if they have no place in america so they go to libraries and places where they they were other people spending money and unfortunately there should be none of this problems in this rich country which is at war with everyone standing the people's money waging war on countries that want to live in peace when that money should be fighting against our crumbling infrastructure in this country i mean that we to short up and we don't and so when you have this bad time economic bad times for certain people then they're on drugs they're abhorrent that that should not be but the answer is not racial profiling or persecuting the poor it really should be how do we say this country while there's still time and talk to short you make a very interesting point which i want to raise with with dave i mean dr short

brings in a whole different element here of class issue doesn't he which you know these events do disproportionately target people of african-american origin here is that the crux of the she has less difficulty accepting the idea that this young lady trying to run her starbucks in philadelphia spends time thinking about class and segregation and trying to target black people can. she's trying to run the restaurant and she's trying to do the man. order and keep the business working and not let people take advantage over and those two guys came in sat down and took advantage of her they should have recognized when she asked him are you sure you don't want to order that's what people do in there when they take up space is an order that's what i would do in any such circumstances and all your black coffee or whatever it will take to make sure you're ok with the way you're running days or days guys right today advantage i agree with dave that in the case of the starbucks i don't like starbucks starbucks support zionism and persecution of palestinians

you had a black guy shot in starbucks not ordering things fast enough i have worked and food service. that the ph d. for you and i know what it's like to have to tell people get out you've got to go and then here so so i don't disagree that people need to have order in their business i've had to do it myself but the issue we were talking about starbucks which frankly i couldn't care less about starbucks but the golf course that he threw out. that's a case in point where the people paid and they were told they were going to slow this is the one that the other gentleman didn't want talk about the waffle house the lady i mean you're pulling a breast out because she's talked about a plastic fork please yes there are people there to literally businesses yes there are folks out of order some of them a black but i've worked with a lot of white drunks in my day and they don't get handled quite the same way this

is a fact i'm a going to last october or early a rally and play under slowly than men and then five women together play very slowly and the entire culture is waiting for the fact that i have learnt has nothing to do with it it's the fact that they are subtle and out of order for that reason that cause them to be expelled from any golf course in america that i'm on believe me because i'm complaining to a man i. management is bad but my issue is still the treat is often different and fact you don't live in the skin that other people do so you are not aware. of i'm going to be american citizens not go live in color and we have a race that's already writing style and i just want to ask dave that's what i'm with just want to. talk to. dave do you do you buy the premise that african-americans are treated differently by law enforcement more harshly with more use of force than white people such as the woman who was exposed

you know who was you know quite shocking scenes in that video do you do you buy that there is a disproportionate use of force here against african-americans that perhaps isn't used against people of other races. on the one hand yes i do buy that it is obvious it's not as obvious as the media tries to make it by highlighting every single instance but on the other hand. the reason is there a cause is there the possibility that in dealing with black people every day on the streets that police have some moral rep just like a cop and those that america are white men white men constitute over seven journalists going from here on out you know ensures that energy you would think that they would be more violent towards those that kill them you can run but you cannot hide from reality and that's what's going to ultimately happen in america people like dave i got to be forced to deal with this is

a mess it's awful for everyone maybe worse for me than him but it's coming a time where it's going to be on manageable if i can i don't shouldn't put out until actually if i can jump in you know i mean i think we can all acknowledge there is an issue here that needs to be dealt with wick knowledge dave has acknowledged that there is this proportionate you settle for whatever reason dave what do we go from here i mean starbucks they have sent hundreds of soft thoughtful formation awareness training in the wake of this incident you know some could argue this is a p.r. step a p.r. company and some could argue they might be generally sorry but would you go forward from here then how could prevent this happening again which we can all agree is that in future to stop these sorts of incidents they've had to move forward to stop what happening again two guys loitering and not purchasing products from the store while using their facilities how do you stop that from happening again i think there are a lot of cases where people are overboard in terms of responding to people of

different races that they perhaps could dial it back but i don't think that's a little girl running the starbucks as best she can reluctantly calling the police to sign saying saying loitering. again he's thinking about using loitering laws against black people in the way dr short tried to point out she's not a political scientist she's managed to start so you would say anything thank you for the homeless this ole miss usa is a problem in that it wasn't a core sample of all those people raised to the law and everything into the financial criminality of wall street and our real estate industry i never said anything about the lady at starbucks and frankly to shake aware of what's up buddy up and are you want to date industry like people and yelling delfino is what you will go through our competition that that i just a drawing will run is not a lever that institutions deal with the old you are and that lead your righteousness and you accept that if they have

a chip on their shoulder and they're waiting to be treated we will have accept anyone that wants or thank you not always done so and i just went up and you know and that's that shit i just don't do it just shouldn't do that shit i should say it doesn't matter which is where my stand it's about power thing and stead of trying to minimalize its existence that is the problem if i could also get back to you know to shore do you think we're going to see things improve off to these incidents happen haunted often brought to the public i have seen this public outcry or do you think this is a vicious cycle you know we're going to see these incidents we're going to see some schools that's taken the next month next year see similar things happen all over again. the problem at starbucks wasn't the lady that calls this is what davison hearing the problem philadelphia is gentrification and homelessness and the dispossession of people what sort of person who is a native american that england was going to get in right and left us or not play nice hundred years or so taking taking the land resources and labor from people and

not compensating them you're going to have a problem so it is all that is what i would make my role to the president you're citing as long as people pretend that injustice and mistreatment of people is ok as long as it does not impact yeah that is the problem with the majority it they lack an understanding that it can be us today and it can be them tomorrow i'd spent two months and much gum or a county where all the white folks are dying from opioids because hope has left them we need to care about america as an entire society and look after everyone if we don't do this we're going to have worse problems so but these little things that if they go on it like doesn't like look and sound sheldan nidle is i'm definitely solution that their government is given the power to referee all that government is given the authority and we've read that french people relate on and

they got big enough things in a way that they think that it's government in the way you are and people turn to government that they stop arguing with each other and just maybe a lot of iraq to just say you know that we are directly running out of time things government wesnoth behind it made slavery the law of the land and you can't run from that your ideological you know private life until now i'm going to how. can i and my president it's and i don't keep issuing in the public eye right now either and very emotionally as they are at fault and they should compensate with reparations and what this is all they gave to whites they gave land that they stole from my indian ancestors to whites they can. but i don't try to go on when i go to . the motion issues because this is going to stop it's a very salient issue how. you can not how we are out of time doing nothing but coming on today to debate this issue so obviously one that's a very emotional and what will remain will remain in the public eye dr randy short

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you never know what's around the corner you never know what's in the pub you going to walk and you never know who's going to be there and it's the excitement it's that not knowing that's where the adrenalin must come short through. only going is a means by definition and extremes to all for your support because you're prepared to fight for the reputation and name of your football club. the violence is a part of it and it's almost a schizophrenia gang culture like it's a part time gang culture where you can do all these things and behave like that. i. mean isn't isn't least if you only evolves it's constantly evolving.

to roll or get off. oh i'm going to go. despite owning three restaurants he still prefers to tenderize and grill me to himself it isn't just his stuff and clients who called him the shelf shelf is the nickname of the founder of the wise men from gothenburg one of the most violent gangs of football hooligans in europe. back down extremity and into heaven anyways it was fun thing to do soccer to football he wanted

a family and everything in stockholm about it and now it's all more violent supporters and for them yes it was kind of easy targets so it ought to be doing trips over there risking pubs you know just to rest people and a few us finally had enough and like ok the fight back. from being it was more like self defense also while boot and sort of we've had to go to this is that it is more or fans started going to trips abroad. i mean standing up i read stall or wrecked stuff i was stabbing was there it stand and face it before is a small like old school fighting storming pogs closing each other you know rewards you know people are using sticks and knives and bottles and everything would you ever going to get your hands on chairs now it's more violent but there roylance was more respect and you didn't have any leads and actually want to kill each other. and in the am i die well you know he actually died now it's more sportsmanship well

for this fight. i. i. i i. thought i might. get together on haunted posters both stated tykes for the throne sixty plus and. when a young you really have to show yourself you have to participate in all the fights you have to go to games. or if i think it's really important if you and i will be along you can play can blame all my golf and don't want to go we had to go. thank you. for the unfussy fight maybe six times a year i mean shouldn't be too old to get away six times a year well. they're.

trying out these days you're going to have to train at least three times a week just so you won't cheat i thought of myself i mean i've got to take out daughter twenty five the strongest try to sell me trying to foist on us my father to the team so you don't want to have someone who's just hanging over. me. oh no. no oh well. almost everyone uses much show some training distanced. basis starbucks is. saying and i'm in may and i'm going to we tried to train together here in.

grand point that we did i think we see on monday for when they come where they would go you know they're going to try to get to a new number salute them move on with a piece and stuff like that so it's different every day. because sometimes we both are secluded gathering and sometimes we meet that the. central time is the one before there may be a year later but there's they went to far to intone and we missed the group but also. the best way to find them is so of course that we. were just filming them to do something not too late the night before to day most of the game it depends. think there is still. the pub with another team firefight with on plus us with on third person usually. the one to three minutes

what's it into we. get them. on the ground or they run away they're going to sit around and so technical it's more about sceptical numbers feel some one on em games yeah ram and bang and everything so if we stand up we will start till. you get you know you know that because there was an interesting. because the whole club the on screen from scandinavia that probably the most crazy i think that any one of the most right wing fans. that's quite scary. extreme for. the wise men and badly boys such all of those guys it is all about the fight becomes about the confrontation clubs know every game but when

you've got a local rivalry it will be if there is any violence it will be about who comes out on top. and. for the let's say a couple different came into the. yeah the greek capital is divided into zones of influence between the greens and the reds and i goes and supporting

hooligans. are just becoming a bit different. but. you know if i got down to long after for the months they come up i don't it's a bit difficult so. that's what they want to. but i met a fellow bit in the some of the holocaust a myth on this this one essential scuffs only in the simple mosque of this is the world like you but i get it's a phenomenon mixing like it's one of only. people who become the focus of us when they don't know if. it's going to last.