those who do not support the idea of the presidential summit that it would be encouraging north korea for its bad behavior but i think the relevant question here is also whether it would encourage trump for his bad behavior because you mentioned that he's policy of essentially blackmail has worked so far that some of indeed takes place. wouldn't that make bellicosity on them erik and part more acceptable form of foreign policy i know that for the time being both russia and china are endorsing the idea of the meeting between kim and tran but i suppose they would be just as happy to have trump threatened in the same manner last time i chipped russia and china has much more force and much more they're much more capable or biting back and nobody would create a czar russia which aired in session of a saw oh yes it's a kind of

a bad example but let's face it norsk audience for dk is if you have same blackmail tactics for me it's a bit funny to see how the same critics if for decades have been favorable to use. this is same efficiency it has it's a bit funny to see when basically you're an old dog trump try to outdo him join the himself it's a bit for funny all this fayyad feuding and all the stuff i don't think is going to be applied on a scale to any serious op and the norsk idea is there goes by the basically steal reza small and very poor company well essentially nobody likes to get a taste of his or her own medicine professor lengel three have to take a very short break now but we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned. putin

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a very long going beat he says so to speak of long distance rather than politics and that's the way the underestimates. are. welcome back to worlds apart with under the line called professor at the university insults now professor link on just before the break you commended donald trump on the success at least initial success of his blackmail tactics. but the news of the last few moments and we are recording this show on tuesday is that donald trump decided to fire his chief diplomat secretary of state the facts teller sent a question to you is why the donald trump at this point of time has the team to capitalize on this initial diplomatic. gay's das he actually have.

negotiators the diplomats who would take this initial success and develop it into something more concrete. than your sheeting is going to be tough this is a major program because it's an open secret that president trump despises his diplomats and i would say is the feelings are largely largely to surprise kate there for or will last say a year or so or a lot of highly skilled people have left the state department and essentially is now the door have a single person who has experience of negotiating with his and. more people in the state department kerry in team and you commerce it's a big problem how well they're going to develop is a great strategic success the it certainly did it was a strategic success h.-e. of by presidents diplomacy i'm

a bit skeptical because moscow deals are very good very tough negotiators they don't change their teams for years for many years to come more fuel have been negotiating visit americans for twenty years and this people more all the big points and probably will take advantage of it so well it's probably good news because if everything because becomes a mess it will be bad news not only for the united states not only for mosconi it will be bad news for sellers carrier for chan and of course for for your russian now you mention both russia and china and i think up until recently at least both of them have expressed cautious endorsement of this initiative for you know that moscow has even gone as far as to suggest that this summit may take place in moscow dad off for i think was downplayed later on in the kremlin but i think it's still on the table do you think there is any chance of either. russia or china stepping

into the void and how being a good chunk of ministration to secure these deal for the benefit of global security i'm very i'm we have to tread very carefully here not see you invite any accusations of collusion but at the end of the day i think we would all agree that you know the peace on the korean peninsula is in the best interest of humanity isn't it not only humanity her marriage is something abstract about as i have argued just a few minutes ago. in korean peninsula is an interest of russia because russian interests and for basically cheney a centrist a very simple cost russia warm they'd be the second russia of one's status quo sought russia of once did it very easy. if mr trump if president did mean business if he was really going to deliver a strike against moscow here a messy war not their city yukio war but a mess of war was the most likely outcome therefore any kind of reduction in

tension is a good news for russia however talking about a possible negotiation for moscow well until it is simply it would be a good idea to have laws sells kadian summit or say assignments a b. to b. in north korean leaders and u.s. president or western leaders it would be a good idea to have them in russia maybe there's a city in moscow why do us because of on the full seated tour they can be sure or maybe in my native fitters beltway not maybe not moscow but not now. said truth is right now russian issue is very big in the united states probably it has never been the case that russia attracted so much and favorable attention well since maybe as a nine hundred fifty years since their anti communist fear communist scare saw it to be probably a good idea if russia is too much involved in this negotiations not. now in the

long run yes but now it's probably safer to just avoid maybe a. little sort of the situation because well sometimes russia would be happy to see americans in trouble but in kerry is such troubles very easy can develop into russia or trouble there is an actual commitment from kim jong un to having this summit with south korean leader president. in the next month and if that happens that would also be i suppose a major breakthrough the third such summit in history. who do you think has more at stake at this meeting and do you see it as a stepping stone towards meeting with trump or does it have value in and of itself a larger stepping storm because surprise india. is a very pro-american country even that by the tickle forces which used to be entier american of the past like say supporters of the current president they're much much

more favorable about the united states now beach however does not mean that they like it by president however nouns are less inspired of all this right now nor scary and in the same boat because in the long run the north. constitute a mess of denture for the soul scary about it's for maybe in the long run maybe when we are talking decades right now their major threat south korea faces is a threat or a military operation initiated by the united states the easiest skull eight in terms of war and if we have a war it will be lost and so i was scared eons who are going to die in large numbers so right now the an interest is to reduce tensions do i understand you correctly that you're essentially suggesting that south korea feels donald trump a little bit more than it appears kim turned on yes yes. as an immediate threat yes

it's a tactical threat it's a long run of course kim jong il is a problem for south koreans but in the short iran it was probably mr trump so what i see is that they're basically playing together more than just to reduce the tension to create the impression of there are now more scatty and are ready to talk and there are ready to make concessions and they are indeed actually ready to talk and indeed are ready to make concessions talking about the north south korean summit unfortunately cell scary and president has very little freedom of action it can not the problem is any kind of economic assistance to last year because such assistance would be a violation not only of the u.s. borders see but of the internationally approved e.u. and sanctions it's not an issue to talk about as a military should because it's going to be blocked by the united states as well and of course everything related to the nuclear problem is exclusively exclusively an

area where all of the exclusive american interests so basically if they can smile discuss the quality of meat and barbecue or maybe approve some kind of nice cultural exchange is seattle. peg of under-fire does so and you know of. here they can not discuss anything serious a saw is that lychee view will be a step in stall to this summit be to be in trump and team simon to be sure you really can't or pass for future negotiations and ration and exchanges between. having said that i think what it least i find very fascinating is this new role the south koreans found themselves in because they're essentially now acting as messengers bits in pyongyang and washington rather than you know being at a separate party to conference the. and i think that's that's

a very interesting development i don't think we've ever had. south korean officials communicating to the americans what the north koreans want do you see any do you see that as a positive development for the inner careen negotiations because i suppose that when you act as a not to necessarily as a mediator but at least as a go between in the your optics shift a little bit and i think you you try to prepare the base for a compromise a little bit more than the you would eat if you were acting in your own capacity it dawned they would try really hard to prepare ways for compromise because if shooting starts it really is a subtle study as who are going to die in large numbers including a lot of people in the top political idiot so they're working hard on board and talking about their role of digits into this uprising and it's also unnecessary because bourse north koreans and the americans perfectly kept about opening a shady things themselves and contrary to what most people suspect this kind of

claim to stein on the official secrets channels of communication between. have always been at the racial of what i'm seeing they not only count talks they have been talking for all this time and the decision to include last year. here is largely done because first of all. the and diplomats want to use the two drives of h.b.c. ansel's geddy and united states and they also want to create sort of united front there's a south korean government because for the time being as they have set for bourse north korea a possible media theater ration by the americans can see a greater threat then as said it ical possibility of all via wars the war between themselves which is not going to happen anytime soon. so they want to sort of you united front and i merican all civil. like to give some kind of to make some

gestures to emphasize the significance of the cells carry us to shore that basically it's normal about playing some games behind their back but professor link i think it was reported in the new york times just there the other day that. south korean officials are saying not only is mass interest between pyongyang and washington but essentially. the americans are making them play the role of spokespeople because at the end of the day if it was a south korean official who announced the willingness to negotiate with with it with the north is that a form of had risks on the part of the trumpet ministration or simply he is a whole lot of knowledge about how the diplomatic niceties are supposed to work out because i think it's also pretty unprecedented to have a north korean official to communicate the will of the american president to the world. it's exactly what they have just set. are valuable

now for their miracle and american administration and maybe american diplomacy to emphasize their significance and this is via such an unprecedented measure was taking basically americans sending a signal to saul you are part of the team you're probably abject you really can do very little by the take you very seriously and you're going to give you a lot of extra rights because your part of the team and basically ignore scotty and also sending to south korea a somewhat similar scene no look the boss i afraid of this strange guy is the vital house is in our joint interest to reduce the tension for the time being maybe in twenty years that all of the threads we are going to fight one another and that changed nuclear strikes because goebbels can easily go nuclear eventually but for the time being our measures. is across the whole show let's act well professor line

calls i guess you can find a silver lining even in the darkest cloud and if trump's unpredictability provides for these bonding experience between the two koreas so be it anyway we have to leave it there i really appreciate your being on the show today and to our viewers please keep the conversation going in our social media pages as for me hope to see you again same place same time here on the walls of part of. the. the global economy is so tightly wound that these sanctions don't work but that has

to because the supply chains are completely overlapping and what is the sanction of the one country drives economic problems in another country that you're not trying to sanction stuff or get sanctions to spell longer workable in the global economy has to come to integrate it too fragile it's too. interdependent. palm oil is one of the most controversial products about sun it's a salted vegetable fent the it's very cheap. twenty seventeen production grew to sixty three million tons that rapid growth in international demand for cheap oil has led to the massive expansion of palm oil plantations which is the destruction of rain forest. get into these you alone more than ten million typed in as of unique rain forest has been destroyed and it's

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them and didn't have a difficult moment. and this years on live apart from that i don't. know how shame will. kill a gun it will be an admission from the. the new global economic war is unfolding in the realm of education the right to education is being supplanted by the right to access education loans higher education is becoming just another product that can be pulled from the souls so this not just about education anymore it's also about running a business where you could know mom also through jacque a lot could this also kind of follow it could mean. more is the place of students

in this business model for college towns more now on an extremely more higher education for the new global economic war. the global chemical weapons watchdog says it is unable to determine the amount of nerve agent used in the screwball poisoning despite earlier claims from the head of the organization. tens of thousands protest in paris against president problems that led reforms amid tight security recent riots. and anti-government protests are held across russia two days before the presidential inauguration. the latest on the stories you can head to argue dot com coming up or when the filmmaker and journalist john pilger is a guest on going underground but if you're watching in the u.k. sputnik looks into the latest controversies surrounding the conservative party stay with. us.

the case you didn't know it is made a today's. protests in strong turn foreign and false information to use tear gas and water cannons and arrest more than two hundred protesters. corruption this seemingly they see this in a truck stop made a protest in support of workers' rights turned violent in cities around the world. i. mean. as the tear gas settles and rain washes blood from the streets of europe after this week's global mayday uprising i mentioned this is going underground special with me

for the whole program is that journalist and filmmaker john pilger let's start straight to austerity before we go to foreign policy. even in australia i know another first world country the levels will stare is he being greedy since the twenty eight crash a stir it is applied globally so the same policy is of extreme tax cuts the trump is it posing on the united states that we've that we've had in this country very perverted a long time it's called neo liberalism they applaud so you have or this called an underclass people working for. on temporary visas for low wages this is become the pattern in all rich countries it's the kind of. darwinian economics. that those who two thirds society those who've

who've got it through really will those in the middle who aspire to do well are usually in debt and those in the bottom up discard it and yet of course while as you say these two thirds have been suffering since twenty eight or even bit before then there is money for was what was your reaction when you first heard of the anglo american french missile attacks on syria it's built on a series of i would call them lies fabrications. the calculus attack on duma tourism a clearly said this is why britain has to go in and fight and think that it makes the regime they says is to be believed frankly and she's yet to convince us that she has a right to be believed because. almost everything to do with foreign policy has shown to in the end if you take the the the sols pre attack that is on

rapidly so fost for example the o.p.c. w. report on this which was not reported include in the bar a tree report from its major of a power tree in switzerland which said this this was no no of agent this wasn't no for sure it was something entirely different julian about the wheelchair attack i told her you were sure so it was sold pretty attack but they are connected because it leads then we leads then to the attack on syria. the there is overall a campaign against russia this is a very long campaign it's been going on since the russian revolution but it's intensified in terms of its propaganda in the way i'd never known i've never known journalism. to be so distorted in order to sort of this

propaganda be the attack on on on dubai was based on when i called it the law i when you look at the available weapons the real evidence the evidence that barely sees the light of day. then there's no justification for it whatsoever. there's no real evidence of a chemical attack so what we're seeing is is the most intense. campaign of propaganda at least since the iraq the buildup to the iraq war in two thousand and three it's comes from a great tradition that comes from nineteen forty five the cover story for dropping two atomic bombs later discredited right through to the beginning of the war in the gulf of tonkin so we had years of misery and devastation in vietnam built on

a lie when the be going to understand this when we're going to send understand there's no story called patton and we see that played out now almost through the propaganda that's presented as news i think will get you that many mainstream media journalists have short term memories perhaps but they are handed as they have always been handed press releases from government they routinely say russia has obviously invaded an area of europe and now they're being told we have proof that they have launched a chemical attack on english soil the first time since world war two and and the journalists say all governments cannot possibly be lying about such a serious event i've been a journalist for a long time i've covered many wars i've covered the first cold war i've

covered it from the soviet union i've covered it from the united states i've worked all over the world i'm a reporter. i would say there is a pseudo journalism now the kind of journalism you describe i wouldn't describe as journalism to simply write down and swallow what governments tell you is the very end to thesaurus of what real journalism is fortunately we still have it in the grate on. the mavericks like robert fisk who's single report from duma showed almost without doubt the whole hickman's so false he interviewed a doctor who'd worked at this particular facility there is no evidence the doctor made a mockery of macro holmes and maison clay and. we have seymour hersh now who can't pump be published in his own country has to be published in germany

probably the greatest investigative reporter in the world hersh last year may his own reporting his own investigation made mockery of these so-called. chemical attacks. i've never known a time when so cold as you describe it mainstream surely. a satirical. mainstream journalism has been so integrated into a propaganda. and that that propaganda campaign at the moment pointed right against russia suggests to me that it's the beginning of a kind of not the macho on russia. but the surrounding of russia with bases with american bases with nato missiles the provocations day off today.

suggests this in syria where basically the russians and the syria some sixty one the the the rebels. most of whom hottest an extreme islamicist supported by the united states supported by britain are still present to as a credible opposition within syria but the whole point of all this is to take syria from the russians since the nine hundred fifty s. if you read the documents you go back and read the declassified m i six dispatches from syria they've been trying to do those things the nineteen fifties syria hasn't been in control in the same way that iran hasn't been controlled this is

i hope this is not the last stage i don't think it is because in syria it appears there's a major defeat and what way of seeing is a reaction to that but of course you mentioned some world renowned journalists have you been surprised about how they have been taken as apologists for putin and by presenting the opposite there it is oh of course not. a big cold everything throughout my career that's a badge of honor. you're a good reporter only if at some point. authority established forces about who. about who's nefarious activities an invasion joe writing label you a jupe that used to be a favor or an apologist robert fisk knows this very well that's happened with every .