a nuclear blast and global struggle to abolish the nuclear weapons altogether will it succeed. governor of japan's. seventy three years off to the world first the devastating effects of nuclear weapons the globe. is growing with warheads ready to what civilization off the planet can humanity you feel to rely on feel mutually assured destruction to keep peace is the drive to get rid of nuclear weapons realistic and all the mysteries of hiroshima remembered well enough today. earnings exactly are really great to have you on our program welcome to thank you very much so. a lot so relevant issues to discuss with you. so far your country is to the only country that has suffered from the use of the nuclear weapon so it is understandable why

japanese people are so adamant on abolishing nuclear arms. but you say that those advocating nuclear disarmament are realistic. you really think so i mean how realistic because nuclear states including your biggest partner united states opposed that well i say. you know realistic because. or argument or. you know the goal for abolishment of nuclear weapons is based on the reality of what happens to human beings when it's use when it's actually used so we know the reality of the use of it and sometimes. you know deterrence or strategy and they're all discussed on paper you know there's certain

assumptions there's certain assumptions. this number if we have this number you know two. actions in sitra. you know other two. but. mostly it's perception i did based. no standing there are you talking about those who are actually supporters of the terror plot i mean we didn't have a war for the last seventy years thanks to terrance you don't think that's reason enough to think that that's a good thing you know well deterrence no in this war no having a war or no one having a large number of casualty is not necessarily just because. u.s. and russia you know as

a country has. nuclear weapons there are so many other factors that. deter the war. well i'm talking about this you know. nuclear deterrence in deterrence is something that's probably this is scary. but i'm talking about nuclear deterrence what the added value of nuclear deterrence. you know to conventional deterrence in other deterrence so all of this fact that it should never ever take place because it's so horrid that no one would ever want to have that ever happen again but is based on the assumption that there is no mistake there is no misjudgment there is no accident no there are a lot of assumptions that current. you know deterrence is based on. historically

actually it's been proven wrong you know there has been many accidents. many misjudgments almost lead to. nuclear war which is really risky situation so this nuclear powers that the global powers at this point they're all very wary of each other that's why they don't really want to give up their nukes how do you see this technically happening if it were ever to happen like they all should give it up at the same time. well of course the process need to be carefully designed and i don't think it's going to happen tonight that overnight. so what we need. to seriously look into. then of course the situation is very different in.

deterrence against what you know what will we do turn against him where. is a very important question and you have to. you know dig into details and try to come up with the process. in each situation to reduce nuclear weapons and finally eliminate it you have set yourself as different they all have their reasons and yet nuclear weapons are only a manifestation of global political problems that each country has right can you really simply get rid of the nuclear weapons without addressing those problems because you know they're intertwined together i mean pakistan is afraid of a bigger india and doesn't want to be the next i'd say israel is surrounded by hostile arab states so unless you address those political problems you can't really talk about getting rid of nukes well no i don't think so. first

you know deterrence is nuclear deterrence is different from deterrence so we're talking about nuclear deterrence and the added value of nuclear deterrence and if you carefully look into each. you know situation. we should be able to find the new equilibrium. you know strategy extract stability is equilibrium in game theory. and there is a multiple. possible multiple equilibrium usually. does based on conditions or assumptions. and. if we could find their way to move that you know equilibrium to other position

which is less costly or namely equilibrium with a nuclear weapon. much more economical. and probably endless risk so what i'm saying is why. not we just say all because we have this conflict. having nuclear weapon is something. that you've taken granted taken as granted but this look for ways. whether you know the ways to move to leave the room to a new one you know and of course i wouldn't say it's easy. and there are some measures probably. multiple party. needs to agree upon. but i don't think you've seen possible we just have to make

that therefore stop what do you think of the nuclear weapons ban treaty adopted by the united nations can it ever go beyond declaring intent to actually have an actual impact but it's true that nuclear weapons countries must be involved in the process otherwise i mean it's only the nuclear weapon countries to reduce or. eliminate nuclear weapons so finally they have to be involved and it's you know about the process again you know we involve the nuclear weapon states so you have this in this. global peace plan in motion and i looked at it and i have to say that i admired the idea of it. as your devotion to. do you have my doubts about how to promote what you stand

for i mean conferences and rock concerts you know i cover politics a lot of wars a lot and no peace doesn't come through concerts and conferences so. how do you make sure that you can impact through this program yeah well you should be aware though sometimes peace comes through music concerts too that i agree so you know those activities. you know there's some activity you start targeting public know like increasing public awareness or some of the d.v.d.'s or tell you more experts. you know like roundtable talk we have been here a few months. talk among experts and polish policy makers. about what we can do so you know.

we think. the final goal of course is to eliminate nuclear weapons but. who who eliminates it is actually the leader of the new group working country and the structure that supports the leader. like the bureaucracy in the expert system and also public. house the basic foundation for the system so we are trying to. find a way to reach in each you know how you know how effective each action. we have to try many things which is you know this is very complicated and very significant issue so it doesn't happen. again

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and we're back with governor governor so there are some serious steps towards nuclear going on in your neighboring north korea out i wonder what you think about that because it has announced a suspension of nuclear missile ballistic test and shutting down a nuclear test site. this is widely seen as a positive step towards nuclear zation do you think kim jong un is actually not going to make any nuclear tests on what well we cannot have a conclusion yet we have to see you know we have to see the actual actions. being. betrayed so many times. so what's important is. you know it's been one of the word is used. you know reversible.

how. reversible you know how to prove it and you know of course. in the check it. very important issue but we need to do that you. actually believe most korea nuclear so you have an arson a south korea is that are meeting right now in the talks between america and north korea are being set up and all of the partners to korea north korea south korea america japan they're saying that the ultimate goal is to see completely denuclearized north korea but a logical question is why would came down and give up. nuclear arsenal i mean why would all of a sudden destroy completely something that was building up for a decade you know world that is exactly why we have to really see the

actions of those korea i think. you know. motivations of course. one extending. the current regime and if he believes. having a nuclear. is more beneficial to extending their regime he may hold on to it and if he believes. giving it up is more beneficial. for extending their regime i think he will so you know we have to prepare an environment that he believes in. you know. in a show for he knew the more precise in your opinion what should be getting. in

exchange of giving up then you know what he's saying is security assurance and denuclearization when you know there might be i mean this security assurance there might be more concrete. requests are required meant conditions like having no. u.s. force in peninsula or something. so i don't know they will come out but you know it's. very difficult. to to predict now you know what conditions he would give up the group and at this point we need to see and also. the timing i will discuss the timing because japan's foreign minister says that north korea should abolish nuclear arms by two thousand and twenty. do you think that's

a realistic goal time wise because i mean it took two years of tops to just stop the iranian nuclear program they didn't even have an actual weapon i mean how can this diplomacy with north korea work faster than with iran. you know whether it's realistic or too fast or. too slow you know i hope you feet by twenty twenty that's very welcome. to the extent. it's possible everyone should make every effort to to to achieve that. you know. i would say there is no too early for that so. i don't know if it's achievable or not but at least you could try so like i mentioned south korea america are going to

sit down and talk to north korea as of now japan has been about it to those talks do you think it should be part of those talks or what can they bring to the table. well. you know. you know a lot of fools in the. entire sitting in the entire condition or sitting the entire environment or longer process of you know post agreement to. i don't know a this point. can do but at least you know carefully. you know see a u.s. korea's. movement or actions and think you know i think. the government position but. no

relieve the pressure on north korea on this we actually see put. actions it's also quite interesting to see what's going to happen to your country's security because japan has been relying on us for protection for decades and now trump is saying its allies in asia pacific should rely more and more on their own resources their own security and then you know we have personally heard the japanese government saying that slowly japan should be expanding its own japanese military do you think it's time to rethink the security council. japan well you know i don't think the big picture will change we'll continue. with the united states and of course we will have a close relationship with korea. and other. some of the other.

countries too. but in that balance or some roles could be redefined. well for example. you know we. would like to see japan to give us nuclear nuclear deterrence not the deterrence as a whole but nuclear deterrence that will give a better position in terms of promoting nuclear. nation or nuclear disarmament. and. for example if you look carefully we recently received a report paper from you need year. research institute.

if you go back to the first question. if we look carefully. at the. situation. nuclear deterrence against north korea is not necessary. you know. whenever i mean no. american nuclear terrorists in a way is a guarantee that no one attacks japan is well now well known them not necessarily because you know for example north korea. their motivation is to. no to be invaded not to be. attacked to destroy the regime. is that you keep interrupting you but you know i'll forget to ask you this a huge it feels like you don't think the north korea is actually capable of attacking a neighbor one day only they are they are capable of attacking neighbor but whether

they will do is a different question you don't think they'll do they think they use the nukes just to keep the regime in place that's it you will. feel. oppressed or you know. they feel there is immediate. very imminent danger of being attacked but they know that once they are using nuclear weapons basically there is seen no. because there would be. there would be fight for about and you know there's so much. you don't feel like i just have to go to the question because you didn't quite answer you don't feel like you need american nuclear deterrent because you don't feel like north korea is actually about to attack someone it's more about keeping its regime in tahoe it's not about feeling or you know. it's not about feeling it's not

me saying this but i'm talking about disunity and people paper. from the north chris point of view their nuclear deterrence you know what they're deterrent against is attack. from us to destroy the regime and if they attacked first you know it's there is it's very certain that their regime will collapse so their real possibility is there a high probability that north korea is going to attack you know from themselves what we're talking about at this point. and

if you were. again talking about space is to destroy the north korea's nuclear capability you know they need to use so many nuclear weapons if they use nuclear weapons and is very realistic which is going to cause so much radiation issues not only was in those korea south korea china and russia to they're all. in a regional question was that japan always enjoyed america's protection because you don't have your own military security system in place to protect your country now that trump is saying that you should rely more on your own resources do you think japan needs an actual army and actual security system in place. i didn't say we don't have at all we have a conventional defense system to certain extent and we're

partnering with states my view is for example you know. nuclear deterrence against north korea we may have. meant we could be out the nuclear deterrent to change. the roles and the balance right so there could be a new balance in you know new. thinking of our security. system i just have last two questions sensitive issue you know nice perception. of japan in general says american president has a visit here ashima but do you see a situation where a japanese prime minister for instance. because the chinese are saying you know. so anti-nuclear compan in japan of which you are part of of course is sort of

a way to whitewash japan's role in world war two not fair because you can't discuss the bombing without the reasons behind the bombing. do you see a situation where your prime minister would actually visit nineteen like american president hiroshima yeah maybe possible. you know. and of course depends environments and context if data is. in the core of the context i think you'd be difficult for a prime minister to go but the party's out of context you know it may be he may be able to go. all right thank you very much for this interview i wish you all the best online and have a nice rest of the same question thank you you thank

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