the vote i want you to know the president and the us take this vote personally he will be watching this more carefully and has requested a report back on those who voted against us thank you for your consideration and more more questions are being asked if the current violence that we witnessing here is a response to the embassy needs well then just how exactly does the american president try to think that he is going to cut as he has said the deal of the century between israelis and palestinians the palestinian envoy to the un says the security council said old emergency session about all this within the next twenty four hours will cover it and israeli military spokesperson insists that the i.d.f. on its side is trying to minimize casualties but also stop the gaza border fence being breached he blamed hamas which controls gaza for inciting violence encouraging people to attack the israeli border. our message to the hamas is clear we will not tolerate this violence we will continue to defend our sovereignty our civilians and our border we will do so while trying to minimize the amount of

casualties but we will not let the rioters through and to harm israeli civilians that are a running distance away. three guests along to discuss that at some length tonight they've all got varying opinions on this. berko is a former i.d.f. officer an arab affairs commentator on the line from the motel of eve nora days of palestinian political analyst on the line from ramallah and north from journalist on the line from new york guys good evening thanks me live on r.t. international i'm going to let you all have your say and feel free to interject over one another as long as it doesn't get too noisy guys i want to just start though by giving thirty seconds to each of you with the same question my first question is will start with you ruben first how should we view today's events is it a glorious day as prime minister netanyahu is saying or is it a step towards apartheid as the palestinian leadership has described it the same questions all of you please thirty seconds first just what your basic outline view

on it ruben first. well of course it's a glorious day for even though you were wrong by mentioning the history of jerusalem as if it was the days of muslims and crusades the bible speaks about jerusalem as the conflict all of israel the even the new taste and the story and the narrative of christianity occurred in jerusalem as the capital of israel and if you want to see this you can go to rome and see titus gate the whole story of the temple is there very well written so speaking about jerusalem it's a glorious day of course we are happy by the declaration and the embassy but we are counting not only on these events by all our bottle on our history

religion and even if i were muslim i would bless this because the roots of them he is given by god and through the his messenger bahama out there ok celera along to the israeli side of israel it's a law not a think about policy and there has never been a policy against state and that's why jerusalem never been a thing or position or event there has never been we appreciate it let's get the of you know from ramallah i can see you. bottling some somewhat some thoughts and then let it out please a neuro day palestinian political activist trying to the thirty's i just want to get your outlet opinion on this glorious day or move towards apartheid were you on this one. well there is nothing glorious about today today nearly. fifty five palestinians were murdered by the israeli occupation an occupation that is protected by this american administered administration today we saw

a celebration of mythology and and political zealously and and religious fanaticism over politics and international law and by the way the the history of jerusalem predates all monolithic religions the history of jerusalem the heritage of jerusalem and the palestinian people dates back ten thousand years this is not a game anybody with half a brain wants to play today was an assault on international law today was an assault on the standing of the international system that all countries purport to want to defend and not just an assault on palestinian rights no glory of about today briefly a view from new york from musa. i think the trump bolton administration is going to war i think the situation in middle east is

cracking wide open and you have israel and. now right hostilities you have the situation in syria heating up between israel and russia you have this incredibly. provocative gesture by the americans and i think the system there is cracking wide open. the last few years i'm afraid or get a lot worse. all public security minister today like in the dead gazans the. death tolls just gone up twelve years just now to fifty seven and he likened the dead gazans to nazi casualties in world war two that's going to offend a lot of people do you stand by those comments as well the same comment your public security minister is made. well actually i have no children ty understood what you are saying about if you are

comparing the situation as the last one speaking to you the relatively in israel we are in have a very secure situation i mean mosques churches and synagogues are secured very well by the time all these environment obst aides are collapsing killing each other. only in israel we have a free of all monotheistic religions but only here in israel some people and all of us want us to expose polar runs to those who declare that they want to kill us who declare that they want to get into israel by booby traps by clutching called by it are you fools by suicide bombers by tunnels by meszaros they want us to call her in for her an argument that they rely on some inside. israeli soldiers. there's

a small delay in about fact but madam i didn't cut you where the i was no no no the light enough that i got fired unfortunately you are not precise i say you know under this is what palestinians are incited in gaza strip to attack the israeli soldier gone the bogus don't forget madam that the israelis has withdrawn from gaza strip no israelis there no cure patient by despite this they have raised themselves to attack israel just every ten year old. tunnels let their kids know havoc in a launch besides to attack israelis why should you why do you. again please let let let get back in iran so doesn't this small delay on the lines of ruben's will be i say ideas. why you do there yes why do they attack us ok i'm so

that. well poor that they're just you know at the regional high limit has told me he's very aware that what is are the exact diagrams that i'm going to have her on are some years later in that i've shown later to forty four eleven year is. around our modern life and unitedly a job security issue atreus you drop your rock the well the only your startup always i'm what policy has a book to do where would you stay always tell me you have anything besides racism to choose from and have used a lot of and not anything from our ng with. the have. environmental let's go to levy and we have here is everybody while. everybody and greater and greater it is really don't want to have

to sort all this know it's just sort of explain there's a small your lies are going to return for you know you saw to be on your copy i'll let you get it in a minute yeah let's get let's get. the public can do so. they don't think they are lying that's the problem or even new york give me your view and i just think they're saying. to. my. point please listen my view is that if i make a point. that i'm straight or elderly or let me get a word and i do i want it to happen and we want to thank you so carry on. ok i thought well if you want to see what i've greater are greater israel this is simple we said we want our policy in ok. rivet i'll give you i'll give you twenty seconds got the other guys back in the problem is we're talking over one another can you just stop for a second let's get let's get the answer from. that story simple ok

daniel ok ok fine. if you define greater israel as the area between the river jordan and the mediterranean sea the area under effective israeli control jews are now a small minority in that population and the more of a minority they become the more undemocratic. and racist israel becomes so that is simply what we're seeing here today an increasingly embattled minority which is asserting its its racial dominance over a diverse population both within israel proper and the occupied territories behaving necessarily in an increasingly undemocratic. manner that's simply all i want to say going on about the casualties of the witness today on the on the border

there we knew this was going to be a very heated day we know that this was going to be very difficult excuse me ruben if you will for a minute i just want to get the palestinian point of view from ramallah on a practical note if you knew this was going to kick off why are you letting your story home. i am wary of people like this. over to ramallah right why are you letting go and go near the border there you knew it's going to be trouble people looking on saying well ok it's one thing to have stone throwing youths eccentrics century ago it was there the bones are so here children are getting out of the running this is the story they attack the soldiers . the what soldiers there are zero israeli injuries zero israeli casualties over two thousand palestinians injured over fifty seven palestinians killed including all i'll show you how our own medic.

walk through all of the protests. all of these are all dressed in gaza were happening on gazan soil inside the area occupied by israel in one thousand nine hundred sixty seven even the breach that was reported was reported on a search of the family because it is only israeli shortages among the god and sheriff larry they're not a general palestinian protester and third the area of israel as as i just call the. borders those are the facts is rarely used disproportionate force in an illegal manner that invited the condemnation of all the human rights organizations that have any semblance of respect for international law including israeli human rights organizations like beth selim you have thousands

of people protesting inside there the seeds occupy territory and they are being mowed down by an occupation army that is still considered under the law as an occupation army that is also laying an illegal siege on this civilian population the demands of these protests are are very simple and they're all in line with international law freedom dignity their rights under the law including the way to return. rights do you have been achieved in a in a far more peaceful manner had there been an israeli government that is now in all really interested are here. for an american administration of all of friday more school it's not that were eight dollars. spawn's it's a spiritual friday mosque it's not that we sylvia was serious we know that there are two arguments to see on this night it's lady has said no lies first of

all those people are calling and i swear they are here insulting my own people they don't have the number of the soldiers they. we know how can i say i. don't know like i saw you know you are exactly like the sound. you get to put a controller that you don't like. your. not going to see eye to eye on this is. a soldier not just for some. it's very difficult to get a word in edgeways. you have the right to respond to the idea that they have behaving responsibly as they say they're under attack from the palestinians we're hearing the other story from the palestinians. there's no point sitting down here to decide who's right or wrong on this because we're not going to get

a very polarized opinion you know what do you think yes and i also want to hold on your lives are as well. we've heard here are. the i.d.f. being even handed here are they being as responsible as they purport to be no of course they're not being even handed of course they are not being even handed that remotely it's a turkey shoot they're shooting down. there killing scores of palestinians and wounding thousands literally thousands more but you know. hamas is not my favorite organization. so you know hamas is a politically bankrupt group which has completely failed to exploit israel's gross gross contradictions and to use them against the increasingly race the state but on hamas has failed

consistently by attacking. jews squad jews and therefore forcing making sure. that israelis will band together all the more tightly against what they see as an external threat so how massive is a bankrupt organization and i frankly am. kind of also dismayed by these tactics which to me are so the ultimate defeatism i mean all hamas can do now is kill palestinians the palestinians deserve a better leadership and they deserve a better leadership in the fight against this increase in. mourning and this race a state mr burke ok let me go back to the purpose or we have faded a little bit i understand you're slightly behind us on the sand so therefore we're asking if you just like other others and you're going to go to some voices are you sort of are you surprised mr. despite the glorious day this is being described that

mr trump a very few western politicians were there to hail this day in jerusalem at the opening of. it was a bit of a disappointment surely for you know. looked at are you remember who europe you have states are what the sources of the standpoint of most of european countries i have to take you back not too many years ago so you can understand where the shape of the jews come from this is not the point even those. who are of the jews i know you say that ideal they cover to islam you. you should keep quiet for five minutes for several minutes because i didn't interrupt you you are a hypocrite you know why because you are where you the bar was it is i leave my you know we feed them of course your walk wait and see what the gonna happen to you or

after that you say i am worried over israel these markers are you quite right and you will see as for us we have a lot with a. very nice guy like you would hear how hypocrite you are no c'mon all he could get out of all of that meeting is over the banks their way away on their own even further chime says call the place where i was says we want to address an operation like this and say. that we may be sound shock and to be fair for a moment we get an allowance of thank you so no the the to stay peace process a pipe dream even more tonight when you know it's not fair you gave everybody the right thing oh well there's a guy. we have a lot of sort out a special kind of lawyer still it's a given and it's a two state peace process i'm going to give you the only one that's great on the other end there is a lawyer you should give me the enough time to be equivalent to them when i have

something to tell you we want to stop the state in the future why not for the first time in this story there will be a palestinian state but nobody in and i did stop so i said i'm talking about the palestinians oh i'm going to be honest enough you know part of jerusalem would be. covered talk for a fake story and we will accept your handouts our this is a fake story madam i like the final ten seconds from you know your thoughts on where it's going to go for this. but you deliberately want to. right now as a cardinal on that hearing a little bit it is in the rational and i'm for it as a lot over the years and he has the you have got on he goes either judy two state solution or any international law because it's not. but the palestinian solution alone i do believe still that there is a chance for this solution but it will take courage and it will take resolve from the international community to step up. your obviously i'm afraid we've got to

leave it we're going to commercial break into a hierarchy to play responsible love apologies to our viewers at home that has been a little bit noisier times mostly it's a very polarized subject and everybody wants to get. on the list thank you so much for your time being live with us even though of course you don't all agree thank you very much for your time being live with us thank you for watching as well keep across all the latest from jerusalem of the big stories this monday on our site. so we've got some commercials to hit with more in thirty minutes. join me every first week on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business i'm showbusiness i'll see you.

hello and welcome to cross talk were all things are considered i'm peter lavelle have you ever known a hero well here you'll meet one also what is the future of the transatlantic alliance in the era of trump and the prehistory of the next war in the middle east . across talking resistance i'm joined by my guest mark sloboda he's an international affairs and security analyst and we have dmitri bobbitt she's a political analyst we spoke international origin across hospitals in effect i mean

if you can jump in anytime you want gentlemen we have a special guest on the program today and i want to talk about the level of dissent in the united states in the west in general and freedom of speech and theory is we're joined by ray mcgovern in washington he's a former cia analyst and co-founder of veterans intelligence professionals for sanity ray thank you for joining us here i think most of the viewers of this program know that what has happened to you when you were at the congressional hearings to get through donald trump's nominee part of the head of the cia. can you follow up on what's happened to you what were you you were charged what were you charged with and what happens now. i was charged with resisting arrest and also disrupting congress. i will have to appear in court on the twenty fourth i think it is may and face those charges so who knows what will happen hopefully that judge will have looked at the videotape and see how how ironic it is that i should be

charged with resisting arrest or in. so to speak i was not on my own power and being dragged out of there one thing that people don't realize is that as senator richard burr yes who's hand in glove with the intelligence people they supposed to be supervising he started the meeting by saying no were no procession of we're going to executive session but there will be people who need to make a statement or say to them is do it quickly do it fast and then be gone i said to myself oh it's a first time i've heard a chairman and invite some. as if that was part of what i thought would be ok if i made a short statement and then be gone and turned out that they made sure that i'd be god and not on the my own power but you know quite. well i was sort of what was interesting for me watching the video of you being assaulted is that here we were

there is an hearing on a woman that there is ample evidence that she was involved in the brutalizing and torturing people and and then at the same time you were being brutalized and i don't think it's unfair for me to say i think you're seventy eight years old i watched that video a number of times i could not see how you could have possibly been a threat to those police officers and you didn't look like you were resisting in respect of the fact you're being force on the ground. with thought at the time you may be that your arm had been dislocated and there seem to be no interest other than a few people videotaping it here watching brutalization in public so you know it seems to be brutalization seems to be the themes of the time. ray. you know go ahead mark i had to ask a question yeah i have to say ray you look pretty good generally for a seventy year old guy a seventy eight year old guy

a twenty four year veteran of you know as a cia analyst but you're looking a little worse for wear i see your glasses are still broken could you show us your hands ray. yeah those are it was a real doozy they did it that a job on may us police state is my prison well you know. that's what we have to sort of keep our sense of you my youngest daughter when she saw the picture of dad how did they make your right ear down so low how did they bring it down so low. well ok well it wasn't the air it was the glasses but. let's talk about the level of dissent here because i mean what you were you were invited by the chairman of that committee as a member of the public to express an opinion but you were not allowed to do that so what does this tell you about the level of dissent and freedom of speech in the us

i mean these hearings are very important jena bloody jena probably will get the get through it and be placed as head of cia so what about dissent. remember where you heard it first dear she's not going to be approved don't care enough decent people in the united states are storming to senators she's not going to be confirmed so yeah it was set up those guys were already to pounce on me i took advantage of the fact that one of them moved away from the front so i could get at least a sentence and but you saw the rest of what happened so what we have here is committee this supposed to be an oversight committee see what the what the what the cia's doing but it's richard burr and it's the kind of overlook committee you know they're handing glove with the with the intelligence people who are supposed to be overseeing or monitoring david legend well i think that there's just well for

what happened unfortunately it's a part of what trent i mean there are hundreds of people so-called whistleblowers in the united states on the no fly list and a lot of them who are subjected to similar treatment in europe piskorski the polish citizen he has been in jail for two years without trial simply a for given need to be used to the russian media say things which their means team does not except in law to be at xander good point and who was also on frequent donati and that to visit for the russian minority in logic he has been arrested a few days two weeks ago and no western media not not a single western media outlet reported to about it i'm pretty sure this story with a rake is not going to be picked up by the mainstream media you know that's. brings up a really interesting point because you know. ice i saw a couple of comments in the mainstream media you know very small margin marginal

comments but in alternative media and social media picked up on your story like a dead engines i mean it's all over facebook right now i made the announcement on facebook to be on this program the positive reaction was so overwhelming it really made me happy that people are the people do know about this story here and you're not going to learn about it from the mainstream media. well that's the major major point here that's the back story and i grew up in in new york first twenty two years of my life i went to school there i went to university there and i have lots of friends that are still looking at the grass for my top ok this is still around now when i go back to college reunions and i say blah blah blah they say right now how would you learn so i mean oh well it's not in the new york times that's how bad it is it's not in the new york times and course i didn't expect to be in new york times nor was i washington post wall street journal so it's really encouraging that this is going goes viral among people who feel the same way we do for the most part

but it's i guess the main story in my view is that nobody knows what way did what i did and what i did was quote quite within my rights run why didn't the senator had asked jena high school were you there in thailand did you shoot provides the waterboarding of al new shiri and she said. senator that's classified yeah and he said i'm out of time now that is a classified well senator i classified it i have lots of incriminating evidence against him so you don't like to shake his action she so she she classified so that's let's make sure our viewers understand she classified information about herself ok oh wow there's oversight there not only right not only did she classify it she destroyed evidence right she did it which is also a federal one even though. it even though ron wyden to run wyden ran out of time right so he can follow up but here's the chair right and he knows that every

one of those senators should know that sure she did supervise the waterboarding of on the shiri at that black site entirely everyone knows that ok so why didn't he intervene why didn't he say now miss haswell we have the documents of course that you say there are secret but it's a little odd that you should be allowed to classify these so would you answer yes or no lawyer there when he was waterboarding course she would say yes so that's the cover up here that's the the supreme irony that she can classify and make unavailable to the public to the people who are supposed to be watching what's what person this is this nominee to be to head the cia i mean this is an open hearing is to inform the american people which is a no no i'm sorry that's classic i think any of that's right senator that's classified but. readers who are inherently.