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fewer and prosperous and democratic. breaking news to start the hour enraged by joint military drills planned by seoul in washington now north korea tonight reportedly pulling out of high level talks with the south and threatening to cancel kim jong un's upcoming meeting with donald trump we'll tell you all about it ahead to. dismissing the criticism tonight the u.s. claims the decision to move its embassy in israel to jerusalem did not inflame the protests in gaza or monday in which israeli soldiers killed sixty. it does not under mind the prospects for peace in any way and yet first on this is supposedly a cause for violence. pushes to save the iran nuclear deal or the u.s.
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pullout with british french and german diplomats meeting the arabian foreign minister as we speak tonight. hi there then very good evening this is out international's news the eleven pm live from moscow with me kevin no in first in this thirty minute update more on that breaking news story that's literally just coming in state t.v. in north korea is reporting tonight that the country has canceled wednesday's high level talks with the south that were planned the decision is said to have been taken in response to seoul current joint military drills with the united states live to washington d.c. samir account across this. this is long been a bone of contention these military drills that america in the south conduct and it seems to be a huge sticking point tonight. well yes and they've led to the cancellation
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of tomorrow's talks and now there is a possibility that kim jong il would could actually cancel his highly anticipated meeting with trump and all because like you said the joint military drills that are being held with the u.s. and south korea let's take a quick look at. the north korea has always made it clear that if you use these joint military drills as a threat to its security in fact it was one of the points that both countries agreed upon back in january when the north said it would stop its nuclear tests and this south said that they would stop joint military drills with the u.s. and it was confirmed once again when kim and moon met last month pledging peace in
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the peninsula but it could all go down in flames so the question is could this hinder denuclearization efforts we'll just have to wait and see what happens yes thanks for that will get more thoughts on this so the coming hours i'm sure as well trying to smooth gasland of things for now. but a big new stores run tonight america's you and boys claimed washington's decision to move its embassy road to jerusalem did not exacerbate the mass protests across the occupied palestinian territories monday that's even though more than one hundred thousand gazans turned out to oppose the decision and were met by stream forced by the israeli military. it has no bearing on jerusalem's holy site it does not prejudge whatever the parties might negotiate in a peace agreement it does not under mind the prospects for peace in any way and yet for some this is supposedly a cause for violence speaking for the united states and nikki haley made clear that
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she was very supportive of israel and she one is far is to congratulate israel for its seventieth anniversary i want to take a moment to mark the seventieth anniversary of israel's independence in this united nations security council on behalf of the american people i congratulate our friends in israel on the remarkable achievement of seventy years of independence. people hit by catastrophe israeli celebrate seventy years of independence this is just another example of the u.s. totally ignoring our feelings and right moving the embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem is not up to the u.s. it's a question of international law trump administration refuses to listen to what the world is say to work stated in the un resolutions in particular the security council resolutions and international law kuwait called the emergency meeting of the fifteen member body that leads the united nations and put forward
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a draft statement criticizing israel for its activities on the border we know that more than sixty protesters were killed on monday tens of thousands of mourners have been turning out in gaza for the funerals of the protesters killed by israeli soldiers monday at least sixty people lost their lives in what's become the deadliest day in the israeli palestinian conflict since twenty fourteen more than twenty seven hundred others were injured too many with live ammunition the violence came as the u.s. controversially opened than its new embassy in nearby jerusalem. i. was one of gloria's remember this moment was. this is this true. no nobody
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thought it was the word we extend a hand in friendship to israel the palestinians and to all of their neighbors may there be peace. in. the world because we pray for the peace of jerusalem. i was wrong. i'm hearing they sell in the amount that way ever since the day phase ended our lives have you know what i think to protest against these may be soldiers who are just a short distance behind me as you can see they've kind of demarcated this area by burning tires and from here they're hurling rocks and stones at the soldiers who are just a short distance in front of us. that holds the end and says has been ferrying wounded people if we saw from the numbers of people who. say these things. because this is comes off
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you cannot take a mason tennis to. look at least making these maybe this is to be the beginning of ties to the deceptive and more fires that have sponsored all along the road this comes just a day off to the americans knew from the embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem and then to spot the would stay on for night and since the last possible. often two thousand and fourteen is a ticket. to look at that what was likely was what so we're running now because these tear gas coming in our direction and our emphasis as you can see the cloud is moving it's always difficult to tell where exactly it's coming from so we just going to make our way to the back and as you can see. the situation is extremely tense and it's just get out of well. thank you ted it's
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close firing tear gas on the crowd here and so we're going to move all the way back so we're not right on top of the soldiers and we'll see from here what's going on. the. situation tense go from one moment to the next county incredibly tense policy at r t. yeah and then on top of this as well a day on for more but more than bloodshed the u.s. president said his best wishes to muslims around the world as they begin observing the holy month of ramadan donald trump's message said to the holiday is a time for reflection and spiritual growth and praise the richness that muslims add to american life the greetings were posted on the white house website. the u.s. has imposed sanctions on the governor of iran the central banker and another senior official at the institution it comes as britain france and germany hold meetings
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with the iranian foreign minister in a tender to say that huge twenty fifty nuclear deal which washington recently pulled out of. the most money but it is clear that this agreement provides security for europe without disagreement there will be more insecurity and uncertainty about developments in iran and the middle east amounts what we want to prevent that will get the vienna agreement exists one of the partners pulled out but the others are still in who will see how we can keep it on life. with a few meetings in the next hours in the next days to be sure that it's possible to our friends to just doing a terrific collection temptation that this collection. relations around so many open and dozen companies we work together on the ways in which the european union and the soup to do this or to put on the investments here in brussels massive attempts to try to salvage this iran deal better of course was seen as a breakthrough back in twenty fifteen what it was signed late this was
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a deal of course that was meant to lift punishing sanctions off iran in exchange for them to take their nuclear program that had been there for a huge concern for the west for quite some time and of course now we have the u.s. having announced that they will be withdrawing from this massive deal the question here in brussels is what to do next especially in light will of their some of the messages coming from washington in terms of the future for european companies that are drew doing trade with iran as we speak is the u.s. prepared to go after companies in our allies like britain france and germany if they try to continue to do business the sanctions regime that is now in place is very clear about what the requirements are europeans are going to face the effect of u.s. sanctions already are really why would any business why would the shareholders of any business want to do business with the world's central banker of international terrorism then also made clear by iran that it also wants this deal to keep
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functioning they just want to assure and says that those benefits for them that they had agreed on would remain in place. clear. economic benefits that have been specified in the j.c. pure way that the iranian people have to. receive and we would have to see. how remaining participants in the. can deliver goes benefits to iran obviously this is going to be a difficult process ahead as they try to figure out how exactly to move forward and possibly restate this deal if necessary prior to the meetings with the iranian foreign minister boris johnson when asked in parliament said the u.s. and u.k. aren't ruling out pushing for regime change into iran might conceivably achieve regime change at some stage in the in the in the near future but i travel a lot i travel to meet with any confidence say that that would be a change for the better what the american seem to want to do is what has it done in
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previous times in iraq for instance as you sanctions to try to weaken the regime in order to bring about a change of regime change the americans are. no policing the europeans using the threat of sanctions the same nor you're not going to do this you're not going to help iran we're going to speculate you really corner me i hope will bring it down to this one. aspirations. families who carried out suicide terror attacks in indonesia of the last couple of days are thought to be members of the same religious study group seems they were teaching and radicalizing their children at home by showing them jihad is films those children now confirmed to have taken part in the attacks which struck christian churches and a police station the c.c.t.v. camera video to show you here capturing the moment of the most recent attack in which at least six civilians and four officers reportedly wounded police say an eight year old daughter of the perpetrators survived up blast what went on there
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it's believed the explosions that targeted church goers on sunday were also the work of a single family to thirteen were killed in the. dozens were injured islamic state taken responsibility for both of those attacks let's talk about this and the way these attacks were carried out on the line i've got right here in the at a brat base terrorism expert also a familiar guest on the show political and social commentator in the u.k. hey there guys thank you for your time today racket if i come to you first of all these crimes have made more riffing them are awful enough anyway but the fact you're hearing that they carried out by families actually children in those families as well really young people radicalized that must be terrifying where you are. this is a very horrific situation right now in especially in sort of by this is the first time when children being used or. involved in terror attacks alongside with
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parents distort only defer modus operandi competing with. the conductor of the thanks between one thousand nine hundred nine until two thousand and nine yeah we've heard you commentating on so many of these attacks as they happen but there's been nothing quite like this before you surprised by this turn of events as well literally whole families being radicalized and the kids set in with bombs strapped to them to ya. yeah i think this is this very surprising i mean firstly obviously our heartfelt condolences go out everybody's been affected by this in indonesia friends who are living out there this time as well we've been looking at tax across europe across africa with. you know probably for the best part for most ten years now and over and over again we see similar traits the people firstly are not following any kind of islamic theology because the first thing i think we need to reassure people is that this attack has been inspired to divide communities in the most populous muslim nation on the planet where relatively peacefully alongside the
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ten percent of the christian the protestant or catholic community there indonesia and every time there's been any kind of a terrorist attack the government crackdown really really hard and we've seen the government do a good job more or less on their counter extremism this is you know one family horrifically attacking three churches one day we've got wife and daughter going some of children going to another one we've not seen anything like and i think the indonesian authorities are going to be absolutely probably brutal i think in coming down on this. terrorism expert experts in this particular field like you are calling this a big massive development in terms of domestic terror is that an overstatement or indeed is the fear here we are actually going to see more of this kind of thing. well. not of the steam and actually true you're dealing with the kind of. totally different with the previous one. we
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have that that's one of the main reason why we are currently revising our thirteen years all. the reasons because it's. the. deterrent to the stick of the couldn't couldn't there is totally different we're not i'm not sure that's entirely true. not so much interjected my friend i'm not sure that's entirely true i mean we've seen over the last twenty five thirty years even to the vietnam conflict when we've seen child soldiers in southeast asia we've seen them for africa we've seen them in syria in iraq in afghanistan we see them in israel we've seen them in palestine i mean where have we seen child soldiers in play and being involved in acts of terrorism i think what the big change is now that suddenly families who have been abroad who have come back and we've talked often about syria and i said to spy terrorism if families come back understand
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somebody are looking for kind of refuge some kind of sanctuary and are claiming that they need their citizenship back because that's been the big debate for european communities and counter extremism i worked on the counter extremism program here within the u.k. nationally and locally as well it's been the big debate do you make people stateless do you park high walls and fences i think indonesia like some of the european nations the nordic nations are said will have a program of integration bring people back in to try and reintegrate them in society i think this is going to start real doubts on that now. how do you go about tackling neutral put to put young people on some sort of watchlist rock and i didn't do it. well we're trying to use more sort of more approach methods for the deportees for example let's talk a little bit regarding on the start this takes the number of indonesians even though the numbers of the muslim the muslim population in. the biggest comparing
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india and other countries in the world we just only the numbers of in the nation who went to shiria it's not more than one thousand individuals were around five hundred individuals were deported from speciously from turkey back to nature because they're trying to smuggle them selves to court to put a handle to the process and five hundred in the nation but in my case i can say on the last but. but if i can say some days a friend of mine who works very closely with the indonesian government and actually civil society there need strengthening a lot in the west we have very strong civil societies where charities organizations n.g.o.s get to work closely with government although i don't agree that the right voices are necessarily being heard there's a bit too much neo conservatism and not enough engagement with core muslim communities i wonder what is the state of affairs in indonesia i mean what kind of the radicalization programs do you have i don't agree that putting up barriers and making people stateless is the right way but how we reintegrate people if people
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are essentially walking in across the border in a border not hard enough and are able to carry out these kind of attacks i mean it sounds like they've been radicalized for years any kind of search of the internet and i know in the u.s. they're having debates about net neutrality and giving the internet into the hands of the wrong people like me journalists or ban or bright bar or or others is not going to be helpful here but i mean we need to understand how information is being used is clearly not tight enough in indonesia right now. talk of the. current is going to say ok so one rule for all to try and clamp down on this or should each country tackle it differently i mean shouldn't it be easier this parody there was no warning sign this family is going to do that is that true. rock you know do you yeah i mean how should it be either if you heard that question in the hopes of all the lying to you how should it be treated in or should it be
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one rule for all in every country around the world what you're trying to clamp down on this kind of terrorism or should each country deal with it differently. well the things regarding on the collision and rehabilitation program for deportees. it's couldn't lee it's not an obligated to the it's not a mandatory for them to join the program so for example if i am a terrorist and meets and i choose not to join the program i still can do it and i still after my sentence is finished i still can go. go back to the society with dollar general understanding how to understand how and that was there and how to. judge jones on how absurd it sounds to have a voluntary the radicalization program where people have come back from syria and we say if you think you're a slightly radicalized have been involved in the war crimes or acts of heinous torture and killings take a box for a program that's just not good enough i don't agree necessarily with the way we do
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in the west where we have such massive failures in state security and over securitization is just disorganized and appalling but you know really we want to see freedoms for people we want to see democracy is working we want to see muslim communities and christian communities feeling safe could do remember one thing that within the islamic framework there is guaranteed protection for christian communities churches their rights of worship the rights of press so the idea of a secular framework in islam existing is very very viable and places like a indonesia malaysia and other quite progressive states to show that so but you just can't simply have a voluntary program where you ask people to sign up it's just too absurd. using children like this almost as weapons if you like i was going to vietnam. decades. is it really true that this couldn't have been foreseen that the security services in indonesia couldn't have seen this coming part of there were no warning
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signs. honestly there are many warning signs the number of families and families who bring their children to go to syria and when backed as deportees and we are dealing. make them join that habitation program the things this. mentioned earlier we have an old bill that currently being revised we have a lack of legal framework there all the legal framework is very useful to fight against. but not against isis so in the new law it will be quiet more sophisticated and make we can push force them to join the program if they don't want to join the program how do you identify the when the first place. excuse me how do you identify these potential radicalized families in the first place. well the. jewels
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we have number of civil society working in the. grassroot levels. also. to do that and to prevent people got radicalized. mo if you don't think it's working and i think the prophet. just going to quickly say i don't think it's working because at the same time you can't have a cake and eat it you can't make the simple tony's argument that you've got such small numbers coming in that it's relatively manageable and in a country of two hundred million people where you've got resources of those kind of nations you know you're more the street undersize of britain i mean you should have resources for days on these issues there's no reason it should work but the important thing is i don't agree necessarily the following the british. are deeply flawed british method the u.s. method i think the french and belgium methods are all been shown to be lacking you
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more probably in tune with work and grassroots organizations in communities like they were doing in our horse and in the nordic countries which has shown some degree of success but i think if you're going to make the argument the numbers a small nation is large and resources are plentiful then they should be no problem tackling this and bringing people through and i think it's absolutely right you want to be working with islamic organizations that's where the u.k. government first under blair and then under the coalition and then again under the tory government here decided not to work with grassroots communities and in fact seed their own organizations that would effectively just puppet what the government wants which is a very hard line of securitization so i think indonesia can learn the lessons from the west and find a new way of doing things but you've got to be quick because in a society we've got so many muslims and so many protected minority groups like christians it's vital that you don't get this wrong because the far right trump the far right across europe and we're net neutrality going in the us soon they are
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going to making hay while the sun shines. and they will be looking to divide communities and pointing the things that must majority countries like indonesia so-called islamic states be defeated in iraq and syria we're going to see this spring up in your country now this kind of kickback and then focusing elsewhere they've taken responsibility they've said there are these attacks at the weekend there is a severe end of the wedge well the things this know we have still having a little number of returnees back to indonesia we have around five hundred in the nation who went to successfully join with isis but the numbers of nice enough is still quite low and this is really really hard. thing for us right now because in the end with the with the thing because in territories of is this one way or another they will try to come back to nature. in this and right now we're still having a really difficult times in creating a really. affective be
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a logical decision program and what about that what about the tactic of focusing on churches see it is not just a random thing or we're going to see more of these the actual victims of churches and. at this time we're going to see more of. i think the possibility in attacking the christians on the minorities as well as attacking the police officers as part of the government it's going to be it's not going to anytime soon what are your thoughts on it again fit on the where george. i think sadly yes and i think rather than the fact that families and children are being used as a new kind of paradigm in the in the war on terror whatever kind of failed terminology that is i think they will start that the big thing is attacking christians we think previous attacks in indonesia in particular have been attacking
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the security framework attacking government offices police officials the idea that you would target innocent communities who are living peacefully side by side and just going about their business and citizens who should be entitled to freedoms and should be entitled to their way of life to their religion and their freedom of identity and free expression as they have in indonesia and i think that is worrying and i think we need to come and get this right and get this right fast very final quick question you mentioned this new legislation going through is going to be escalated no given the events of the weekend or not we do hope the parliament. to make sure that it's going to be passed by june this year. all right kid at a broader jakarta based terrorism expert political social commentator in the u.k. thanks ever so much for your time on this one right let me just remind you for a go the breaking news story of just joined us hi this is r t international state t.v. in north korea reporting that the country's camis old wednesdays are level talks
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with the south decision has been taking a response to seoul carrying out joint military drills with the united states which is long of course been a huge bone of contention for north korea it's no twenty eight minutes past eleven o'clock moscow time that's the way the world looks so far tonight always much more from us of course. my name's kevin i mean for me in the rest of the team thank you so much for watching and more for me just over half. what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy confrontation let it be an arms race in this spirit dramatic development only. exists i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and talk. of.
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