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will have been killed in the gaza war in six weeks when the berlin wall in twenty eight years and former a b c w ambassador marc bolan allegations that donald trump financial security advisor john bolton when threatened the o.p.c. w. bothers jill drew and all the civil war coming up a days going underground but first the boss of britain's controversial domestic spying agency has been talking in berlin this week the first time ever the serving in my five d. g. has spoken publicly outside the u.k. but he wasn't like his nine hundred forty s. predecessors talking about zionist terrorism he was talking about existential threats to the u.k. i mean the deliberate targeted malign activity intended to undermine our free open and democratic societies that's free and open democratic societies that cia whistleblower edward snowden revealed to be under full spectrum surveillance and what is this activity for to destabilize the international rules
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based system that underpins our stability security and prosperity prosperity he's obviously not referring to the over four million children in poverty in britain and why does he use the term international rules based system instead of the more common phrase international law is it because m i five has broken international law is it because m i five breaks u.k. law because here signed in prime minister to raise a maid's oda hand is the organist twenty second twenty seventeen memo explaining how a commissioner will oversee the breaking of british law or criminality by m i five the investigatory powers commission which will keep under review the application of the security service guidelines on the use of agents who participate in criminality and the authorizations issued in accordance with them not only that but inquiries are continuing into allegations that m i five spied on the leader of britain's opposition. they were party jeremy corbyn earned other politicians who oppose the
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iraq war and that war was memorably based on intelligence or dissin from asian produced by british spies but this information according to spy on drew parker comes from russia the aim is to sow doubt by flat denials of the truth to dilute truth with falsehood divert attention to fake stories and do all they can to divide alliances. bare faced lying seems to be the default mode yes the british people are unable to understand lies or able to differentiate between truth and falsehood and fake stories so says the head of a defacto criminal agency spying on them but parker the boss of m i five was on a roll then referencing the mysterious british spies scramble we saw this approach again in salzburg the reckless attempted assassination of circuit ice cripple using
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a highly lethal nerve agent put numerous lives at risk including that of his daughter it was only through me a miraculous medical intervention that his and his daughters' lives were saved did the scribbles recover was it a miracle because no one seems to know where the scriptures are today but is it preempting any final conclusion by the o.p.c. w. that the alleged poison used in england was a russian origin and why five was parker used in speech in berlin to conflated with syria similarly arf to the sickening attack on the people of duma in syria the russian state machine pumped out a torrent of lies aimed at undermining international consensus yes because heads of governments around the world are is unable to cope as the british people in the face of facebook posts a tweet here or there undermines the entire international consensus what's the point of the o.p.c. w when russia can tweet some this week though may wonder what the point is. the
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united nations the i.c.c. or international law i'm joined now by someone who interviewed osama bin laden when u.k. spy agencies should probably have been interviewing him the topic is what this week amnesty international calls war crimes and the breaking of international law joining me is the editor in chief of royal youm abdel bari atwan who was born in gaza when i've got thanks for coming back on before we go to the alleged bias of the media let's go to this story about what happened on monday aside from what was going on in gaza. unbelievable you know. who said jews are going to hell lead a prayer at a jerusalem embassy opening look at that you have to explain that to our viewers because most of the attention of either an event. or or the exactly own body and call them. who is this and what was it doing you know this actually very radical advocating for violence supporting the israeli hating muslims and
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consider everybody is you know a sinful they will go to hell so unmeasured that the truce him and all of them to please that and and look and. this is evangelical christians believe that when the jews then them gives you know they want to send them to jerusalem in order to be killed there and yet he was celebrating with that and they are celebrating imagine that you know those are the supporter of those are the men of don and crown who is actually taking us to help to be honest with his policies in the middle east and other parts of the world the key is taking us to hell. hole work to help to be honest why should he. go to these provocations and kill the whole peace process and the two state solution and bringing forward that move on the
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move of the israeli embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem jerusalem should be actually part of the final status negotiations so he's challenged everybody he is actually saying to the palestinians you don't have any hope for peace you have to accept the israeli dictation and this is the capital of israel so this means it means you know he is playing into the hands of radicals he is actually pushing the whole region to war that's that's the problem there are. a billion and a half billion muslims considered to resilin. only pleas for their jurors in an occupied in one thousand six to seven and no other respectable government or government actually moved its embassy to jerusalem it be say it is part of the final status talk before i get your reaction to the mass killing that occurred in the past forty eight seventy two hours this is going through some of these
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headlines that we've been receiving from corporate media new york times dozens of palestinians have died in protests as the u.s. prepares to open its jerusalem embassy the british state mandated b.b.c. this was after death or injuries it reached two thousand and fifty or so gaza braced for further violent protests and then finally we got here from bloomberg how must targets fence as gaza bloodshed clouds embassy move what did you feel when you watched the pictures and what did you feel when you watched how the media covered it i am sick of violent protests violent protests those people. armed and just raising build their own flag. and going to the border and there is a fence between them and the israeli who are will protected and israeli snipers and to cook to call it of violence to protest do they have guns for example do they
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have for you or are the israeli settlers as they claim israel is that they have explosive subs or blow as you go and of course they had rocks and sling shots and presumably the b.b.c. was referring to the and believable this is distortion of truth there are two hundred journalists foreign journalists covering that these protests from the dancer side we haven't heard personally i have been you know watching the media nobody said those people are violent demonstrators and a man in a wheelchair how can he actually pose any threat to we'll protect it is that really behind the fence and behind the ditches there and shooting those the an arm strike protester this is the problem so what are the israelis fearful as to why they have been killing allegedly killing. peaceful protesters to be honest some of
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that is there is really a press some of the israeli columnists are more truthful than the people on the b.b.c. and also brahms both on a slip it said you know we are covered. those people are brave because they are expressing their feelings and their anger in a peaceful way and we are shooting them behind behind a fence big well protected areas or hells and that's what that is there any press say and those people are saying a violent demonstration how it comes out how many israeli were injured by violent demonstrations how they can actually reach the israelis able to regardless of one one injured israeli two thousand palestinians i know you're born with just i want to you know just to add one thing ok there are two thousand people were injured here there is no hospital in gaza and if there is a hospital there is no equipment if there is
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a. strike force or girls are the same goes under the gaza under sanction a very very tight sanction so those people actually wouldn't find the medical stuff or the medicine to be treated to properly so most of them or the great number of them will die or you know the limbs will be computed simply because there is no equipment to deal with their injuries. well one peaceful method that some around the world are using against israeli violence has been b.d.s. movement boycott divestment sanctions what you make of this than it was from the jerusalem post look no you don't why you prince william prince william to you know traditionally royal history with a visit to israel in summer of two thousand and eight why he is going there you know i'm surprised is he going there to promote peace there is he going there to prove is that us roiled ever to go to israel he shouldn't go britain is behind the
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catastrophe vanek bout of the palestinian if he's going to apologize to the palestinians saying sorry you know we are behind you will disaster situation if he's going to say you know we regret what happened we didn't actually give you a homeland like the israeli according to bill for declaration again it is a he didn't think of the mission of that job is a limb as a capital is that it is indorsement to there is there is only signaling policy on the west bank it is a provoke petion to the palestinian people who are the victim of the british bill for the declaration british policy of the mandate of palestine and nine hundred forty eight he is going to celebrate about that seven seventieth anniversary of the disaster of knockabout of palestine that's the problem is going to the west bank but he won't go to gaza as well as he wouldn't go to the. why he's going to the
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west bank for example to talk to endorse the settlement eight hundred israeli settlers do settlers and the west bank for example is he going to get you know the list that we all get which divided you know that the palestinian and from the israeli palestinian authority officials will meet him i don't know definitely they will meet people you know because simply. he is he may be here asked to visit them he asked to meet them so politely bill they will meet him and they could explain this is the weight of the but if i am. prison i wouldn't actually meet you don't say sorry you knew you are coming to not too independent palestine not to liberated palestine and you are coming you know the people and the patient and this is this is this is your policy which make them patient and the this is your policy we used you cheated us and the west and britain in particular sit up at
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a scene and go and talk to your enemy go and. make a settlement with them this is the best way for you and what the press and they accepted this advice they talked for twenty five years with their israeli and they were rewarded not by the israeli withdrawal not by independent palestinian state but eight hundred thousand settlers now to to actually take jerusalem of that negotiating table and make it their own capital of israel and i want that said several times britain should actually apologize. to the palestinian people is he going to kill prince william that coming with apologies to us all coming to us but i didn't do so i think i would watch and see how he would be received by the people by a president who actually said sort of times you know britain should i think there should apologize to the palestinian people one thank you after the break we'll talk
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to a former a p c w official named by wiki leaks. the financial survival today was all about money laundering first to visit this cache of the three different. oh good that's a good start well we have our three banks all set up here maybe something in your something in america something overseas in the cayman islands or do we go all these banks are complicit in their tough talk or say we just have to say to do some serious money laundering ok let's see how we did well we got a nice luxury watch for max and for stacey all beautiful jewelry. again for max you know what money want is highly illegal here for a lot of course. united
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states can. use. tax on other countries'. economic sanctions are just the beginning another thing you like to do is play some military pressure on the countries a talking about. and there to be an effort to raise that country and the leader of that country. has a responsibility for the. weekend to make rules for the rest of. us without us there would be. welcome back well from alleged war crimes in palestine to potential peace in korea
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i'm joined now from the hague by former ambassador of the dutch foreign ministry and o.p.c. w. permanent representative mark vogel are as director of the korean peninsula energy development organization he helped forge a deal between pyongyang and washington ambassador welcome to going underground the world arguably the mainstream media criticizing donald trump for the move the u.s. embassy in jerusalem but even the most visceral enemies have had to admit that donald trump has been the onset of the korean problem on the peninsula would you agree i would agree. we have to wait and see. and we use surprised however as someone who's really worked on that region and has seen the comings and goings of the possible terrible conflict involving even nuclear weapons were you surprised to see how quickly it seemed to move yes i was i
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think like most international observers there has been quite a spectacular turnaround. in the new year beginning of this year i've personally convinced that most of the credit for this turnaround goes to the republic of korea the presidents of which house worked very hard behind screeds. to make all this possible to induce both parties both antagonists maybe i should say north korea and the u.s. into sitting down together and talk if moon jane should actually be getting most of the credit and drum arguably stealing his thunder then what about the dangers for north korea we know where when countries remove their nuclear weapons what happens
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to them because we have the libyan example of gadhafi dangerous for kim jong un well we'll have to wait and see whether he is really at all to give up its nuclear weapons. you know it on this issue us on both diplomatic or political issues there are dreamers and there are skeptics somewhere in between i thought this as a realist i am not so confident as yet that north korea is really ready to give up its nuclear weapons especially not on the terms. the us house being circulating namely complete earth verifiable and irreversible all that on the short term. it is has become clear that the north koreans have a different approach to denuclearize they shouldn and notably they prefer
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a phased approach a step by step process. and well in the positions taken up by the u.s. so now this is not being sceptical but of course peeling as close relations with tap run and is able to see what happens to deals i'm not sure the c.v. idea is involved in the j p c o a i don't know what it is about you people in your acronyms what do you think pyongyang is going to think of trump's violation of that deal which indeed involved the un security council resolution in terms of the korea deal in the perception of the north koreans no doubt there is hope that maybe doubt as to the reliability of the us as a negotiating are not whether that. sketches skepticism is real or whether they will just use it at the negotiating table we will have to
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wait and see again but there are certainly uses and i expect there will raise questions. saying to the american well look if we side do with you what is our guarantee that a next president or a next session is not walking away from it do you trust the way to verify things after all or what the white house obviously doesn't trust that organization the united states has for some time now being skeptical of the value or the meaning of the united nations system. i think this is not just trouble mr bush is this is a traditional i do tude and so i'm not surprised that there is this this this this
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distrust in washington was really out of the out. but on the other hand the idea in my personal view is a very good iow is meant for poor or to handle this kind of situation if they are with rose to do so they have done so in the pass before north korea walked out of the your perforation agreement there were inspectors of the. india country to look at nuclear sites so it's not inconceivable that this will happen again and i would personally be gosh in favor of the i.a.e.a. playing such a book what's it like being a political football you were at the organization of the prohibition of chemical weapons one would say another one of these u.n. institutions that come under attack from all sides. aids what's it like when you're working say the o.p.c. w. in different countries are trying to use your evidence to advance different cases
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united states and also i should doubt the russians were among the major players you know w during my tenure there during three years. because these two countries had the largest stocks of chemical weapons that were being destroyed so in my recollection. these two countries were extremely cooperative and crucial in making the c.w. function properly if you say there is a distrust among the americans towards un general. i think this certainly does not apply to the o.p.c. w. i have never seen or read any indication that the americans have express distrust or oppose the wrote of the c.w. really i mean because jose was stunning the former
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a p c w boss is on the record for saying the present national security advisor the united states john bolton threatened his children and said we know where your sons live when when boustani i'm not sure when you were whether you were working there the time refuse to or kowtow to george w. bush and and tony blair the fact of you are you go back to long way it was not. about. time mr bizarrely was the director general of the organization you had already left when i got there. in two thousand and two. but i think you must have known why i left for the and on and yes of course of course i know i and you know i. haven't but how is it well for our audience how did he leave how did he leave john bolton got rid of him. no of that's your interpretation i'm not a historian i'm not ready to comment on that. i know that in the eyes of not just
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united states but quite a number of states parties of the e.u. most of the study was not the ideal leader of the organization and now whether that should have or should not have led to the consequence that the less is another person. because of course the relevance of as you call it history today is that with the script all affair in britain moscow says one thing london says another and then our foreign secretary had to be corrected by the porton down the burra tree which i'm sure you know very well. it's that sort of political jockeying presumably that the o.p.c. w. officials have to contend with right now left. the. c.w. when was it two thousand and five. so you're asking me too much i'm not probing very closely veyron saddens what is happening in your going as asian and i know not
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more then don't you also and how much should the public trust organizations like the o p c w or the i given that it is these organizations that have become arbiters between the states and the propaganda and this information is regularly on our t.v. screens and newspapers what i have to i share your luzhin that they are there they have become our producers. they're our instruments they are organizations that are instrumental in implementing the. will agreed policies of international institutions like the united nations. and i'm very positive about them doing so. so i don't share your criticism of the criticism of these organizations and just finally on korea what do you think we
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should watch out for in the singapore meeting in june surely there must be another choreography before hand and don't trump wouldn't go all that way if there was going to be a disastrous failure in the singapore it's not impossible but there'd be a deal and. although that many europeans are somewhat skeptical and apprehensive about the style tactics that president trump sometimes uses he may well turn out to be the very person to make a deal possible because he is someone i think who wants a quick result. and a visible result. and i think that in the past when previous attempts were made to engage with the north koreans that american during the agreed framework of the ninety's it remains what needs to to work on
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a step by step basis my understanding is the words now the americans want is a comprehensive deal you know including a number of elements that. are. in use north korea to accept. so i think president trouble is. placed to try to yes we're already set if he's not satisfied he will look to states to walk away from the table so he's taking an enormous risk. but i think it's worth it ambassador thank you and that's it for the show we're back on saturday with a former israeli ambassador who believes israel is an apartheid state fueled by british apocryphally until then you can keep in touch with us by social media will see on saturday twenty nine years to the day of the death of historian c.l.r. james whose book the black jacobins illuminated the legacy of haitian revolutionary move a tour of the world. cup
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the latest official so for the cha cha i want to see the thing. with friends like that who needs enemies the e.u. turns on donald trump accusing the u.s. leader of not being much of a friend for pulling out of the iran nuclear deal plus. israel is an occupier and it keeps terrorizing. the turkish president announces the israeli military's deadly response to the palestinian protests as it is well in the united states see mass protests across the arab world. r.t. hears too from doctors in gaza who say wards are overflowing right now and medical supplies are running out. and this high level condemnation tonight against ukraine over a crackdown on russian journalists after of euro was raided in kiev and it's directed to.

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