on the terrorism list state department's terrorism list he now is in the passenger seat with a very unsteady driver and netanyahu has one hand on the wheel netanyahu has been able to manipulate trump very easily i think like taking candy from a baby with that ridiculous stage performance where he claimed iran was restarting their nuclear weapons program they all know except maybe trump that that's all rubbish that the i.a.e.a. has certified that they were they were complying with the deal this is why there's been so much hysteria in europe and they tried not grown came to washington they all failed he pulled out why the pull out one could only imagine is because they are planning a regime change in iran i think we're seeing all the signs of that you know one hour after trump made that speech in which he said he was getting out of the deal the israelis massively bombed iranian targets inside syria according to time magazine one hour later that's the message that was sent so while the attacks made against iran maybe just in syria now there's no question in my mind that when the

military directive that trump also gave to the defense department to prepare against any threat by iran they were going down a very very dangerous road here. it's go to their second joe and why he didn't how do you assess what joe lauria just said right there because it all of the hallmarks of you know i feel like we're back in two thousand and three looking at the how the media is dealing with this here i mean the massacre of palestinians of the last few days and the way the media described it it was a conflict is it was some kind it was equal to equal sides i mean joe wrote a great article it's called news us media white washes gaza gaza massacre it's perfect title because that's exactly what's happened so joe what do you think that this is a preamble to some form of regime change. into iran go ahead joe. i mean i get it i get it with the other things but the road agreed that we had. both

to have regime change in the regime change in iran or why the regional confrontation yes there are some hope you see feeling as though we're on trial they're trying basically to the potential is to run or the pressure on you. basically to create this alliance between with the between netanyahu and some of the arab states basically to put pressure on you know that's the series of steps taken in the past few weeks between the strikes in syria the nuclear deal the sanctions. possible something in yemen. you have elections also in lebanon who allowed iran also to flex its muscle somehow in other countries but i don't think that our boat we were in two thousand and six we had nothing in this. coming from the top of the spaciousness over him you know but the posture on the ground didn't change we didn't see him well at all well i think i think but i think things are changing and i think they're changing very

rapidly we have to withdraw the u.s. were drawing from the nuclear deal we have has a ball coming out very well in lebanon we have a surprise in iran and iraq which will we could see seeing all of iraq from the united states and possibly iran as well but it's a lot more complicated in the media's pre-training and a lot of things are happening on the ground let me go to jonathan steele in london also i really like the analogy that joe lauria gave you know how who's got their hand on the driver's sering wheel because we do have it seems patently clear to me that israel and saudi arabia in tandem would really like to see trump do something a been against iran i mean they may not do it themselves but they're certainly egging on the president to do it in the rhetoric that's coming out of his administration is just unbelievable i mean it it really it's two thousand and three on steroids to answer our second show in washington i'm not saying it's going to happen next week or next month ok but it's they're building. towards it jonathan in

london go ahead and say well i think to pull it out of the nuclear deal for two reasons one was to we impose sanctions to get even the excuse to ramp up sanctions not only us sanctions but intimidating the europeans to cut their dealings with iran to serve its kind of slow motion. color revolution they want to have they voted to have their big demonstrations earlier in the year in iran are very economic issues mainly and then if they want to you know if they want more demonstrations like that so they can kill it and economy and get people out into the street they think there's a chance that they can topple iran through a sort of color revolution the second reason was to provoke if you like the hawks in target in the course there are who never liked the nuclear deal to do something stupid which would give a kind of funny justification for israel to bomb well the nuclear sites in iran so i think there's no danger of a u.s. ground invasion of iran right i think it's this kind of color revolution

provocation and allowing the israelis to find an excuse to ball ok joe lauria it seems to me that the europeans are beating their chests and. making a lot of statements that we have to go on our own and we don't we can't merkel says we can't look to washington protect us that's really bluster because they have painted themselves in the corner since the end of the cold war they've basically defanged themselves castrated themselves they're going to have to do what the trumpet ministration wants here what's really interesting to me is what coming out of the white house is that even though the u.s. has withdrawn they demand that iran honor the nuclear deal this is really quite amazing well if the europeans are going to end up being spineless as we i predict that they will be iran is going to start thinking about other options here maybe going back starting its program but it has assets in the region that they can use a and they can show that they can push back against the united states and.

asymmetrical way this is something i worry about go ahead joe laurie in washington . first i agree with jonathan said i think they would prefer a regime change through a color revolution and not war but that that's on the cards if necessary as far as the europeans go we've saw or twice since the cold war since the on the second world war one since one thousand sixty seven one to go all pulled out of nato and then of course in two thousand and three as you were bringing up peter the europeans would not vote the germans and the french are on the security council of course the french are always on the security council they didn't vote for bush is a resolution to invade iraq and that became a big crisis those are the two main times when europe showed some independence against united states this is the third opportunity and unfortunately i agree with you and what alexander mccurry is wrote in the durand that i republished in that sort of news that the market the iranian market is much smaller than the u.s. market and the economics of it are going to determine that europe will go along with the us unfortunately although this is an opportunity for europe in my view

which has had until recently anyway the best social system probably ever devised but now it's been under the pressure of neoliberal economics particularly with a guy like emanuel macron in france but that this is a chance for europe to be neutral to be independent to be neutral from both nonaligned if you will between russia and the u.s. and to lead the way but it's just that the will is not there you know they've made a lot of noises about standing up to the u.s. when push comes to shove i think they will cave and it's going to be because of economic reasons and that's very unfortunate ok let's go to the second joe in washington i'm going to stand in the position that they will cave so that essentially means they're going to abstain ok. how is that iran going to react to all this because joe is already pointed out is and i'm in my jonathan that the hardliners into iran or are quite probably happy there this is something they didn't like the deal in the first place and. they're going to have to start

thinking in terms of defending themselves because we do have american troops in iraq in syria supporting the saudis in yemen and we have i pointed out also has flaws come out on top here in lebanon that it's a powder keg here so how do you think iran's going to react to all of this it does have some strong cards in its hand it has some weak cards go ahead joe. i mean it has a strong words but i know there are those in iran and. we don't see it i mean eve basically came out very strong against against the u.s. we didn't see a two thousand and six kind of rhetoric so what's happening is there is some kind of iran. u.s. deal sisters of fourteen and both iraq and libya all of those these are the still in the place the local flotation of those going to the some of them basically to to share power so for the two the two sides to change what's wrong with the fuse what changed. i don't want this. deal as the cornerstone of

a tacit understanding with with iran if iran doesn't change her regional behavior so i'm going to basically go back to the previous order but does that mean the this kind of sharing power between between the two is not. obvious and beirut in and but the other places so as this well i don't see this rhetorical as very we are on the verge of world think big but i think you know yes the people actions but it has said it's still early days and we do have the iranians on a charm a tour around the world with the chinese with the russians and the europeans and it's an done yet so we don't know what direction it's going to go go ahead finish your point. i know but i mean the issue now is the americans and the iranians are not talking to each other so they are talking to each other through the europeans so both the americans and the iranians out of pressure to the europeans know this is what about in a very crucial weeks now but that doesn't mean that if it's fatal the europeans

thought that the means were going to go down the confrontation war i think in the u.s. the mood in the army and the public that want confrontation well but there's ok. joe joe joe hype of the jesuit and before said we go to the break here the u.s. has already been threatening european companies with sanctions ok i don't see any dodgy law going on there ok all right gentlemen i'm going to jump in here and we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on the middle east stay with our team. seventy four design submissions. seven cells links. to join judges. and eight hundred sixty nonstop days of. the

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ok let's go back to jonathan in london and quite sadly as the proxy civil war in syria is winding down we have more. growing passions in the middle east here with decision here how what role do you think syria is going to play in all of this because syria is a sovereign government a sovereign state a member of the united nations has invited russia and the iranians in his advisors and more to protect their sovereignty here is this going to be the epicenter here because this is where the israelis can snipe at the iranians and they already are doing it and if we have this cooling off period from this decision that's made because like i pointed out the iranians are on a charm offensive if they don't get anything out of that charm offensive they may decide to do other things and do you think that syria is going to be the epicenter

where we could see a simmering conflict get warmer and until it gets hot go ahead jonathan. well i want to talk about iraq in a minute but let me first mention your central question was about syria i think there's the danger is that if something happens on the golan heights area in southwestern syria as we've already seen that could escalate and then has been or could come in with its right massive amount of rockets in southern lebanon if that is the big danger if israel provokes and gets the response that it may in fact want to have if it wants war with lebanon that could be very dangerous for the region but i think it's important to talk about iraq because you can't really very important developments of happened that's one of the best pieces of good news for iraq in several years is the victory of mocked outside in the election i mean here's a nationalist he's very anti iran he's very anti the u.s. he stands for non intervention by either of those two countries in his country iraq

that's really important and the paradox is that you may actually get secret talks between the iranians and the americans to try and prevent. having the real choice of who becomes the next iraqi prime minister i think both turnaround and washington would like. the present prime minister to carry on and they will work their way through these back door negotiations to form a new cabinet so you could actually have cooperation alone won't be admitted publicly between turning around and washington over the future of iraq that's a very good point john of the let me go to joe lauria here nor nominally and under normal circumstances i would completely agree with jonathan but i think in the wake of trumps decision there is a trust deficit and that's saying something because the united states and iran have had enormous amounts of distress ever since the one nine hundred seventy nine revolution here but i don't see the iranians want to doing the americans any favors right now the americans have dug themselves the deepest possible holes when it

comes to iraq and afghanistan here so this could be more of a bargaining chip with the iranians and in some fashion or another go ahead joe laurie in washington. first to put it on the record neither peter nor i said we're on the verge of a war no yes i'm not saying that i'm not saying the u.s. or that you're right no no i'm just going back to we talked before and also you your question was never answer about what iran might do the head of the answer to his nuclear program still a said that today i'm sorry on tuesday he said that they would start to route to enrich again stronger than before was the words he used now as far as whether the iranians i think johnson has a point there because it's not just doing the americans a favor they don't want. to have power in iran and iraq either because that would. possibly diminish iran's influence in iraq so they do they would have a common ground to work and to forget even but after the ninety seven revolution in iran ronald reagan worked with iran in the iran contra scandal so there's nothing

just precluded in real politic though we have john bolton who's an idealogue of course and yukon so that may or may not happen but it's something to consider that iraq would be a problem for both countries but that would not stop. them to drive towards regime change in iran even if they cooperate on iraq and it's going to the second job in washington you know what the the paradox here is that there is no evidence that the iranians really had a serious nuclear weapons program but they signed the deal for for sanctions relief the i.a.e.a. certified that they were in compliance of course and then we have trumpets as it was the worst deal in history and they withdraw from it and now it looks like the iranians may possibly return to firing up their centrifuges i mean the then they'll say look they're going after the bomb i mean you can't win for losing in this type of logic here and then throw in the saudis saying well we'll go for the bomb too i

mean the the administration did not and i used the word cascade effect in my introduction. this is what's happening we could have an arms race here and then we already have a nuclear power in the middle east and that's named israel here i mean before we didn't have it we weeks or a week ago two weeks ago we didn't see the possibility of an arms race now we do go ahead joe in washington. i mean i know we are caught up in the moment now with the with all of the don't see we're going to build this the structure that iran is has has doesn't need a nuclear weapon of this point it never asked for it this was part of the action to be on the table with the with the international powers know that's an attempt to change the dynamic but iran is basically cough the bullet with where they are now in syria and iraq and libya and they don't need to go into these requests from patients or. to the nuclear race as your

mission yes because of the you know that of it you know i agree with joe i. just hang on for say i agree with you i mean i think the radians are happy with the status quo it's the rhetoric that's coming out of washington that threatens that status quo and if i were in the interim i would start reacting to this kind of bombastic ideologically driven. aggression you know you have people like bolton ok i'm not worried about what the iranian you know the revolutionary guards are saying i'm more worried about what john bolton is saying go ahead joe. it's. this one you have michael flynn of the still of the board you are saying we put on notice oh this. will for the day and then make the us french american the british like that if it gets close to the if it gets close to i think that's a movie. i really had no no no this is this i'm sorry i mean remember the rhetoric

of two thousand and three joe that was at this words and guess who was around joke john bolton was around so i tend to have a memory here and so does that leave me at the foot of the word change the us changed. that mindset as you are going to vote in this mindset change no it hasn't i'll agree with the what's important i don't think. it's not that important it's better not it's better not to underestimate people like that in the other people mike palm peo these other people that are surrounding trump here. you know let me go to jonathan here go you want to react to this here go ahead. well i think i turned to other to agree that one shouldn't overdo the rhetoric saying there's a big step between rhetoric and action and of course these are hardliners they would love to see a different regime in tehran but the question is how we're going to achieve it so i come back to my first point i think they're in a slow motion regime change agenda not a fast motion one they want calling evolution they want

a collapse of the economy they want sanctions to bite they want to keep putting the military pressure on the table but they're willing to wait two three five years maybe they're not coming in tomorrow ok joe you were disagreeing earlier i'd like to put in a cab here is it. we're after this charm offensive that i've mentioned already twice i don't think it's going to come to anything here but the iranians do have the opportunity to turn to china and russia and russia has certainly been interested in that the chinese is well i mean rand would. it is just going to have to completely give up on the west we i'd like to remind our viewers you know opinion polls global opinion polls year after year iranians are quite pro-american that is changing right now as the population go ahead joe. well first of all i think we're not just seeing rhetoric missing action here and out of this nuclear deal which is the absolutely absolutely worst thing that trump has done is done

many stupid things this is by far the worst the most dangerous thing he did this is action i agree with jonathan that they prefer a regime change by overthrowing the government but with some groups on the ground that they could control or influence rather than going to war it is no doubt about that but they are not taking i think war off the table there's no timetable here of three to five years maybe too long truck may be gone in two years is going to be an election so this is extremely dangerous situation right here as far as china goes there's an interesting article in the washington post you know they very interesting the way it ended it's explained our china is just ignoring all these threats from the u.s. and they're going to continue of course to trade with iran because they don't trade in dollars for one thing and they're going to avoid american financial institutions to try to evade some kind of sanctions and that europe in fact may want to work with china as a middleman to continue to work with iran i'm not sure that would would work or how would work but the article ended by saying the u.s. may be the country that finds itself being isolated itself rather than actually

being iran so. china does play a huge role in this and i think we have to look at that in terms of how these sanctions might be evaded and the penalties that the u.s. might try to put on europe i think still think that could happen even if the traits were china they might find say air bus or other companies right if they continue to sell their wares through to iran germany's siemens is already come out they've caved they're afraid of the u.s. treasury here i mean let me go to our second joe here how how much does riyadh in tel aviv drive all of this i mean you know i've used the word char many times in this program but i mean trump seems so very charmed by the saudis and by bibi netanyahu go ahead joe. i mean what is the is the nothing to do with the lies between the between the u.s. and israel and sold. the us goes back to solution lies the interesting part is the saudis in this radio doesn't care much about the declared to give the they care

about deterring iran and they want the us to do it not themselves mostly but the us is mostly focused on of the deal at this point not on you who is using this the score basically to take a green light to a lot of from the basically do. some air strike against against israel which is by the way approved by both the us and russia was a stroke because it happened and following the fania who visit. to the side of the i don't it go no i went i wouldn't say russia agreed russia might not be able to do anything about it there's a big difference between the two ok last word here ten second show last word for you. no i mean of the the point is i don't think we're going to go from fish and know this that there are already a wide level of ok that's beautiful the coming weeks but i don't i think it is a very tense period and i think it's only going to get worse because we don't have

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