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salton bergen donald trump coming up on the show how biased is the media being when more people have been killed in the gaza war in six weeks than the berlin wall in twenty eight years and former a b c w ambassador marc valvo on allegations that donald trump financial security advisor john bolton when threatened the o.p.c. w. bothers jill drew and all the civil war coming up a days going underground but first the boss of britain's controversial domestic spying agency has been talking in berlin this week the first time ever the serving in my five d. g. has spoken publicly outside the u.k. but he wasn't like his nine hundred forty s. predecessors talking about zionist terrorism he was talking about existential threats to the u.k. i mean the deliberate targeted malign activity intended to undermine our free open and democratic societies that's free and open democratic societies that cia whistleblower edward snowden revealed to be under full spectrum
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surveillance and what is this activity for to destabilize the international rules based system that underpins our stability security and prosperity prosperity he's obviously not referring to the over four million children in poverty in britain and why does he use the term international rules based system instead of the more common phrase international law is it because m i five has broken international law is it because m i five breaks u.k. law because here signed in prime minister to raise a maid's oda hand is the organist twenty second twenty seventeen memo explaining how a commissioner will oversee the breaking of british law or criminality by m i five the investigatory powers commission which will keep under review the application of the security service guidelines on the use of agents who participate in criminality and the authorization is issued in accordance with them not only that but inquiries are. continuing into allegations that m i five spied on the leader of britain's
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opposition labor party jeremy corbyn earned other politicians who oppose the iraq war and that war was memorably based on intelligence or dissin from asian produced by british spies but this information according to spy under parka comes from russia the aim is to sow doubt by flat denials of the truth to dilute truth with falsehood divert attention to fake stories and do all they can to divide alliances. bare faced lying seems to be the default mode yes the british people are unable to understand lies or able to differentiate between truth and falsehood and fake stories so says the head of a defacto criminal agency spying on them but parker the boss of m i five was on a roll then referencing the mysterious british spies surrogates cripple we saw this
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approach again in salzburg the reckless attempted assassination of circuit ice cripple using a highly lethal nerve agent put numerous lives at risk including that of his daughter it was only through me a miraculous medical intervention that his and his daughters' lives were saved did the scribbles recover was it a miracle because no one seems to know where the scriptures are today but is it preempting any final conclusion by the o b c w that the alleged poison used in england was a russian origin and why five was parker used in speech in berlin to conflated with syria similarly arter the sickening attack on the people of duma in syria the russian state machine pumped out a torrent of lies aimed at undermining international consensus yes because heads of governments around the world or is unable to cope as the british people in the face of facebook posts a tweet here or there undermines the entire international consensus what's the point of the o.p.c.
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w when russia can tweet some this week though may wonder what the point is of the united nations the i.c.c. or international law i'm joined now by someone who interviewed osama bin laden when u.k. spy agencies should probably have been interviewing him the topic is what this week amnesty international calls war crimes and the breaking of international law joining me is the editor in chief of royal youm. who was born in gaza when i got thanks for going back on before we go to the alleged by has of the media let's go to this story about what happened on monday aside from what was going on in gaza. unbelievable you know. who said jews are going to hell lead a prayer at a jerusalem embassy opening look at that you have to explain that to our viewers because most of the attention was either an event. or or the exactly own body and call them. who is this man what was it doing you know this man actually
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very radical advocating for violence supporting the israeli hating muslims and consider everybody you know a sinful they will go to hell so unmeasured that the truce him and all of them to please that and and the like and. this is evangelical christians believe that when the jews older than them gives you know they want to send them to jerusalem in order to be killed there and yet he was celebrating with them and they are celebrating imagine that you know those are the supporter of those are the men of the non crown who is actually taking us to help to be honest with his policies in the middle east and other parts of the world the key is taking us to hell he's taking full hold work to help to be honest why should he. go to these provocations and kill the whole peace process and the two state solution
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and bringing forward that move on the move of the israeli embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem here in jerusalem should be actually part of the final status negotiations so he's challenged everybody he is actually saying to the palestinians you don't have any hope for peace you have to accept their israeli dictation and this is the capital of israel so this means it means you know he is playing to the hands over the cols he is actually pushing the whole region to war that's that's the problem there are. a billion and a half billion muslims considered your resilience. only pleas for their jurors in an occupied in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven and no other respectable government or government actually moved its embassy to jerusalem it be say it is part of the final status talk before i get your reaction to the mass killing that
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occurred in the past forty eight seventy two hours let's just go through some of these headlines that we've been receiving from corporate media new york times dozens of palestinians have died in protests as the u.s. prepares to open its jerusalem embassy the british state mandated b.b.c. this was after death or injuries and reached two thousand and fifty or so gaza braced for further violent protests and then finally we got here from bloomberg how must targets fence as gaza bloodshed clouds embassy move what did you feel when you watched the pictures and what did you feel when you watched how the media covered it i am sick of violent protests violent protests those people. armed and just raising build their own flag. and going to the border and there is a fence between them and the israeli who are will protected and israeli snipers and
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to cook to call it of violence to protest do they have guns for example do they have for you or for the israeli settlers as they claim israel is that they have explosive subs or blow as you go and of course they had rocks and sling shots and presumably the b.b.c. was are referring to the unbelievable this is a story of truth there are two hundred journalists foreign journalists covering that these protests from the guns aside we haven't heard personally i have been you know watching the media nobody said those people are violent demonstrators and a man in a wheelchair how can he actually pose any threat to we'll protect it is that really behind the fence and behind the bitches there and shooting those the an armed protester this is the problem so what are the israelis fearful as to why they have
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been killing allegedly killing. peaceful protesters you know to be honest some of that is there is really a press some of the israeli columnists are more truthful than the people on the b.b.c. and also brahms work on a sleeve you said you know we are covered. those people are brave because they are expressing their feelings and their anger in a peaceful way and we are shooting them behind behind you know that our offense be well protected areas or hells and that's what that is there any press say and those people are saying a violent demonstration how it comes out how many israeli were injured by violent demonstrations how they can actually reach the israelis if they are gods of one one injured israeli two thousand. you were born. just i want to you know just to add one thing ok there are two thousand people were injured here there is
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no hospital in gaza and if there is a hospital there is no equipments if there is a. airstrikes also on girls are the same goes under the gaza under sanction a very very tight sanction so those people actually wouldn't find the medical stuff or the medicine to be treated to properly so most of them or a good number of them will die or you know the limbs will be computed simply because there is no equipment to deal with the injuries. or hell one peaceful method that some around the world are using against israeli violence has been b.d.s. movement boycott divestment sanctions what you make of this than it was from the jerusalem post i don't know you don't know why you prince william prince william to you know traditionally royal history with a visit to israel in summer of two thousand and eight why he is going there you know i'm surprised is he going there to promote peace there is he going there to
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approve is that us roiled ever to go to israel shouldn't britain is behind the catastrophe benette bout of the palestinians if he's going there to apologize to the palestinians saying sorry you know we are behind you will disaster situation if he's going to say you know we regret what happened we didn't actually give you a homeland like the israeli according to bill for the declaration again it is a he didn't think of the mission of that judaism as a capital is that it is indorsement to there is that are really signalling policy on the west bank it is a provoke petion to the palestinian people who are the victim of the british bill for the declaration british policy of the mandate of palestine and nine hundred forty eight he is going to celebrate knockabout that seven seventieth anniversary of the disaster of knockabout of palestine that's the problem is going to the west
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bank but he won't go to gaza as well as he wouldn't go to that. why he's going to the west bank for example to talk to endorse the settlement eight hundred israeli settlers do settlers in the west bank for example is he going to get you know there is a list that we all get which divided you know that the palestinian and from the israeli palestinian authority officials will meet him i don't know definitely they will meet people you know because simply. he is he may be here asked to visit them he asked to meet them so politely be able live will meet him and they could explain this is the weight of the but if i am. prison i wouldn't actually meet you don't say sorry you knew you are coming to not too independent palestine not to liberated palestine and you are coming you know the people and the patient and this is this is this is your policy which make them. the this is your policy we used you
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cheated us and the west and britain in particular sit at the president go and talk to your enemy go on. you know make a settlement with them this is the best way for you and what the press and they accepted this advice they talked for twenty five years with the israeli and they were rewarded not by the israeli withdrawal not by independent palestinian state but eight hundred thousand settlers now to actually take judaism of that negotiating table and make it their own capital of israel and i want that but said several times britain should actually apologize. to the palestinian people is he going to kill prince william that are you coming with apologies to us all coming to commemorate us but i don't do so i think i would watch and see how he would be received by people by a president who actually said sort of times you know britain should i think there
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should apologize to the palestinian people. and thank you after the break we'll talk to a former a p c w official named by wiki leaks. across europe municipalities are taking their water supply back from private companies to me to people this is the simple song alone even some company gets elsewhere so they invite private companies to take over the utilities many by the telescope was allowed to miss you guys who got booked but you're well on the pier might because. this is. just because they're now looking. for you remember the lift bill brought up locals are ready to stand up for the basic human right of access to water it's about water but it's also over much more than war it's about the hurt and the redistribution of all as to birds and their debt downwards
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we want all. americans are free trade country it's not a capitalist country. believing in competition it's a monopolist country that believes in monopolization and they like to use the dollar as their bludgeon to beat people into submission and if you try to get out of the dollar whether it's syria iran libya or iran that just actually said they're getting out of the dollar to go to europe you get a bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump why because of dollars collateralized by fire. also my. welcome back well from alleged war crimes in palestine to potential peace in korea i'm joined now from the hague by former ambassador of the dutch foreign ministry and o.p.c. w. permanent representative mark vogel are as director of the korean peninsula energy
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development organization he helped forge a deal between pyongyang and washington ambassador welcome to going underground the world arguably the mainstream media criticizing donald trump for the move the u.s. embassy in jerusalem but even. most visceral enemies have had to admit that donald trump has been the answer to the korean problem on the peninsula would you agree i would agree that he is potentially solution we have to wait and see. and we use surprised however as someone who's really worked on that region and has seen the comings and goings of the possible terrible conflict involving even nuclear weapons were you surprised to see how quickly it seemed to move yes i was i think like most international observers there has been quite a spectacular turn of. new year beginning of this year
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i've personally convinced that most of the credit for this goes to the republic of korea the presidents of who wish us worked very hard behind screens. to make all this possible to use both parties were both tireless maybe i should say north korea us into sitting down together and talk. if moon jane should actually be getting most of the credit and drum you'd be stealing his thunder then what about the dangers for north korea we know when countries remove their nuclear weapons what happens to them because we have the libyan example of good daffy dangerous from kim jong un well we'll have to wait and see whether he is ready at all to give up his. you know it on
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this issue us on both diplomatic or political issues there are dreamers and there are skeptics i'm somewhere in between i thought this as a realist i am not so confident as yet that north korea is really really to give up its nuclear weapons especially not on the terms there's the u.s. house being circulating namely complete earth verifiable and irreversible all that on the short term. it is has become clear that the north koreans have a different approach to denuclearize they shouldn and then again they prefer if phased approach a step by step process. in the positions taken up
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by the u.s. so now this is not being sceptical but of course peeling ass close relations with tempera on and is able to see what happens to deals i'm not sure the c.v. idea is involved in the j p c o a i don't know what it is about you people in your acronyms what do you think pyongyang is going to think of trump's violation of that deal which indeed involved the un security council resolution in terms of the korea deal in the perception of the north koreans no doubt there is hope that maybe doubt as to the reliability of the us as a negotiating are not whether that. sketches skepticism is real or whether they will just use it at the negotiating table we will have to wait and see again but there will certainly use it and i expect there will raise
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the question. to the american well look if we side do with you what is our guarantee that a next president or a next session is not walking away from it do you trust the way to verify things after all or what the white house obviously doesn't trust that organization the united states has for some time now being skeptical of the value or the meaning of the united nations system. i think this is not just trouble mr bush is this is a traditional attitude and so i'm not surprised that there is this this this this distrust in washington was really out of the. bus on the other hand the idea in my personal view is a very good i will incident for poor or to handle this kind of situation if they
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are with rose to do so they have done so in the pass before north korea walked out of the your perforation agreement there were inspectors of the e.a.a. into country to look at nuclear sites so it's not inconceivable that this will happen again and i personally view that in favor of the i.a.e.a. playing such a book what's it like being a political football you are at the organization of the prohibition of chemical weapons one would say another one of these u.n. institutions that come under attack from all sides. aids what's it like when you're working say the o.p.c. w. in different countries are trying to use your evidence to advance different cases united states and also i should doubt the russians were among the major players
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you know w during my tenure there during three years. because the two countries had the largest stocks of chemical weapons that were being destroyed so in my recollection. these two countries were extremely cooperative and crucial in making the c.w. function properly if you say there is a distrust of the americans towards un general. i think this certainly does not apply to the open c.w. i have never seen or read any indication that the americans have express distrust or oppose the role of the c.w. really i mean because jose was stunning the former b c w boss is on the record for saying the present national security advisor the united states john bolton threatened his children and said we know where your sons live when when boustani
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i'm not sure when you were whether you were working there the time refuse to or kowtow to george w. bush and and tony blair the fact of who are you go back to long way was not. tied up mr bizarrely was the director general of the organization he had already left when i got there. in two thousand and two. but i think you must have known why i left him is that he and all of us who knows i know. you know i. haven't but how is it well for our audience how did he leave how did he leave john bolton got rid of him. mu of that's your interpretation i'm not a historian i'm not ready to comment on that. i know that in the yard of not just the united states but quite a number of states parties of you know you most of the study was not the ideal
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leader of the organization not whether that should have or should not have led to the consequence that the less it is another question because of course the relevance of as you call it history today is that with the script all affair in britain moscow says one thing london's as another and then our foreign secretary had to be corrected by the porton down the burra tree which i'm sure you know very well. it's that sort of political jockeying presumably that the o.p.c. w. officials have to contend with right now but i've left. the. c.w. when was it two thousand and five. so you're asking me too much and not probing very closely since veyron tyrants what is happening in your going as asian and i know not more then don't you also and how much should the public trust organizations like the o p c w or the i given that it is these organizations that
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have become arbiters between the states and the propaganda and this information is regularly on our t.v. screens and newspapers one of the two i share your clues in that they are there they have become arbiters. they are instruments they are organizations that are instrumental in implementing the. will agreed policies of international institutions like the united nations. and i'm very positive about them doing so. so i don't share your criticism. need criticism over these organizations and just finally on korea what do you think we should watch out for in the singapore meeting in june surely there must be a lot of choreography beforehand and don't trump wouldn't go all that way if there
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was going to be a disastrous failure in the singapore is not impossible but there be a deal and. although that many europeans some of us are skeptical and apprehensive about the style tactics that president trump sometimes uses he may well turn out to be the very person to make a deal possible because he is someone i think who wants a quick results and visible results. and i think that in the past when previous attempts were made to engage with the north koreans lurking during the agreed framework of the ninety's it remains were made to work on a step by step basis my understanding is that once now the americans want is a comprehensive deal you know including a number of elements that. induce north korea to accept.
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so i think president trouble is. what place to try to yes we're already said if he's not satisfied he will look to states to walk away from the table so he's taking an enormous risk. but i think it's worth it ambassador thank you and that's it for the show we're back on saturday with a former israeli ambassador who believes israel is an apartheid state fueled by british apocryphally until then you can keep in touch with us but social media will see on saturday twenty nine years to the day of the death of historians feel our james this book the black jacobins illuminated the legacy of haitian revolutionary move a tour of the world. united states has always had a. chance to use an instant tax on other countries. sanctions
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or are often just the beginning another thing you like to do is play some military pressure on the countries a talking about. and there has to be an effort to win the eyes that country and the leader of that country. and it's a responsibility for the. and so we need to make rules for the rest. because without us there will be. the. united states is not only another part must be a partner. they have taken this. good if they're thing of the solution they are
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throwing this region thought of the listeners extremists in this region have been spinning since and bravado demolition by the senate again is a decisions and actions more than any time before moderates and god of war people like me have been destroyed but it was such actions such fascism such apartheid being exercised by israel and israel getting away with it i think this is opening the get off million this future.
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looking good the latest official so for them to try to show the world could see them fitting. with friends like that who needs the money for the e.u. slams the us decision to pull up to the iranian you can't deal. ukraine cracks down on russian journalists raiding your news bureau in kiev and arresting. director. israel is an occupier and it keeps terrorizing turkey's president over and condemns israel's use of lethal force against palestinian protesters amid mounting anger across the muslim world. now dawtie hears from doctors in gaza who say hospital wards are overflowing and medical supplies are running out.

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