what where does a drone operators in told count from who is giving you the instruction as how console jerseyman rain shower the information is on point i mean does everybody ever question it no people don't question it because it that's why it's compartmentalize there's all sorts of different pieces of the puzzle and none of the pieces are actually talking to one another except for what's required knowledge is the modern currency and so like dragons they hoard this currency and only divvy it out whatever they think is necessary for them to complete their mission and get more of that currency it's it's like a it's a weird kind of cycle. and it doesn't really get anywhere especially with agencies who have this rivalry with one another and they argue back and forth over who is the better person or who's the better agency or who's cooler and instead of actually getting the mission done and accomplishing it and finding an end game for the whole thing whether i have a short break right now and we'll go back with brandon bryant former trelane

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where back was brandon bryant former pro not parader was a u.s. air force socket about the implications of drone warfare no brainer if you're a save intel documenting terrorists but you look at the screen and saying they aren't terrorists as most case in most cases what this actually down to faulty intelligence or using drone operators are being deliberately misled. that's kind of another part of the compartmentalize thing like they only give us the information that we need in order to give them the best picture possible and to swing the sword again the metaphorical sword so we while we can look at a person and they'll say follow this person or strike this person we don't get any more detail than that really we can but the details don't matter and we're

not really sure the sources or anything. though we are being told that sources come from two point places either signals intelligent imagery intelligence or human intelligence we are not the ones that interact with that information how are this extra judicial killings justified legally is it ok to kill someone on suspicion just because you're at war and can the war on terror be used in an instant or redefine your enemy to kip in those legal parameters. this is this is where we get into the grounds of legality versus morality. you know the nazis everything that they did was legal to them slavery united states everything was legal the genocide of native americans in my country was legal right so where we have to come to the point is like where is the moral boundary that we want to draw the line at and

that's something that shouldn't be left to the law the law is just a framework for us to play in not black and white yes or no in every case is different i don't think that we should utilize any sort of technology or glorified any technology that to use lies to kill another human being we still need to see these people as humans not as demons because there's a reason why these people are angry and they're hateful it's not because of anything other than we've created this monster ourselves and we've become the monster that they hate now of civilian deaths as a result of drone strikes hit us held responsible the drone operator or the commander who gives the order or the intelligence guys. really know when inside holds each other accountable if someone screws up then they just get a slap on the wrist and everything's ok and that's why you would see in the past when wrong strike happened someone like obama or brennan would blame the operators

themselves for things that are gone wrong rather than the intelligence that was given because the cia and all these other agencies that are out there they don't want to take responsibility they just want to point fingers at other people and place the blame on others because they're perfect they don't make mistakes it's the operators that make mistakes and that's actually one of the reasons i started speaking out was because the operators were just soldiers and while just following orders is is not a good excuse to do it we're not the ones that have ultimate responsibility in this though we do have responsibility in what we do to help morris fossil and more traumatized over your experience than say soldiers who serve in their artillery and why is that i mean they launch missiles into war zones they have feelings what's so different about being a drone operator. well here's where you get into close combat scenarios versus

distant killing and if we really want to take a look at it violence and sex affect the same part of the human brain in the exact same way and hand to hand combat is as intimate as you could possibly get with someone but as you increase the distance from long range assault rifles or small arms fire and you get into artillery you cease actually seeing a human target and you see actual like target locations or target buildings and you forget about the human being that's a part of it and if we look at something like world war two in the bombing of dresden a lot of those guys they just pushed bombs out of their aircraft and were just hitting targets but when they saw the devastation that they caused and the human beings that suffered many of them were institutionalized then and the instances of p.t.s.d. amongst those people were severe and where it comes from a difference between an artillery operator and a drone operator in oh we see our victims in fact when we fire

a missile the missile sonic booms about one point two seconds after it comes off the rail and as the kinetic energy is lost through the missile the sonic boom hits the target first so we actually see the reaction of the target before missile strikes and i think that does something to a human being and i'm speaking from experience and reflection rather than any sort of higher intelligence so. you know you can draw your own conclusions in this but really what it comes down to is seeing how people react in a very human way knowing that they're about to die and then killing them from with the finger of god from half a world away is it's a really disturbing feeling and i would say that. you know trauma is different across the board where soldiers on the ground they experience trauma like an earthquake or a volcano erupting well we experience trauma as a form of erosion of our self in

a very definitive sense and even though it's a it might be a slower process it is very effective in degrading who we feel like we should be though here i have sad that you were on islamic states hit list as well as to hit lists of a right wing group in the united states what makes a drone operator a target for extremes at home and abroad. see this is the strange thing is like i was told that i was on the isis hit list by the f.b.i. an off air force office of special investigations and i'm not sure how true that is because i hope that people who see what i'm doing i'm trying to bridge build a bridge between us so that we can come to an end game solution and stop killing one another and this comes from a guy who did it who has like who has made very grevious mistakes and i think that the people back home who hate me you know they don't want to see anything other

than the fear that they're being told so they're just a bunch of idiots who want to be idiots and even though i'm the guy with the experience and i'm the guy that has done the reflection and i've done the work in order to get this information out there they still think that i'm a traitor well i can also say that the left called me a monster so i'm not getting any praise from any group anywhere except for the people who are actually you know doing the reflection in the jobs and trying to come up with a solution for this issue and i think that people who just want to be violent they're just going to want to be violent and they're just stupid you know and it can kill another idiot it takes a better person to stop hurting another person has that's where love and kindness come and that's where all these things are supposed to be utilized is that you give love to someone when they're unlovable you're a kind of someone when they're not kind to you it's easy to be kind and loving to

someone who's kind and loving to you but it's really takes something special in a lot of effort to give that to people that are not you don't think are worthy of it now the boston marathon bomber. as well as five. attempts at a car bombing in times square back in two thousand and ten justify their criminal actions with civilian casualties from american drone strikes in the middle east. to philip the stroke war has produced more terrorists than it has killed actually of course it's produced more terrorists than it has killed like what how how are like the a lot of these cultures over there warrior cultures they feel they face their opponents on the battlefield i i grew up as a wrestler like and i know that in iran at least you know wrestling is a sacred sport it's fact it's the world's oldest sport so there is a sense of honor in accomplishment with being able to face your opponent on the battlefield and even if you're beaten there is still a sense of honor but when we're utilizing

a technology that no one can fight back they're going to have to try to find a way to punish us punish us in the sense that they feel is necessary even though they're wrong i don't agree with anything that they're doing and it and but they're responding in a way that they don't feel like they can respond and that's the cycle of violence violence only begets violence you know right now the trial is guided by operators and the lobbyists and what could the technology be fully automated i mean do you believe there will be robots that can kill humans. of course when i was in geneva actually. i was the only american that showed up to this conference of where they're determining the laws that they're going to create for autonomy it's warfare and one of the guys that was a proponent of autonomy this warfare says that you know robots can kill people better than people can because there's no emotion and i really thinking as someone

who's done it do we really want thoughtless and emotional things that are able to just kill any human being's life indiscriminately and that's a question that is for the people and that is something that we need to be considered because no matter what technology that we use against someone else that technology can always be reversed and used against us and that is the balance of things that's the cycle and i understand that you are not against drones as a till but you say that there are use should be transparent how can this be possible when you are a war i mean keeping information classified may mean thousands of lives saved. and that's a that's a that's one of the things that people are confused about where we have this possibility of things but the reality of the situation is that lives are being ended when someone comes to mean be like well think about all the american lives that you say well that's that's that's an invisible number that's imaginary you

know if we if people want concrete actual fact i can tell you i have killed thirteen people with missile strikes and there are one thousand six hundred and twenty six unnamed enemies that were killed in all the missions that i completed and i know that i know that for a fact and i know each of these persons was a human being they had a family they had friends they had lives and we ended them the possibilities are endless when you come to the reality of things and i'm not going to rely on a possibility when the actual evident truth of these technologies being abused is sitting right in front of our goddamn faces. thanks for this amazing interview. truly amazing and show you i wish you all the best. were talking to grant and brian to use to fly drones for the u.s. air force discussing their rising use of drones by the u.s. military and the dangers implications of long distance warfare that's it for this

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we make a deal i think kim jong un is going to be very very happy if you look at that model with. that model would take place if we don't make a deal with north korea. resorting to a stick approach giving pyongyang the choice between wealth and prosperity or a fate. as major companies are quick iran over u.s. . special powers in order to protect european enterprises from washington. more victims of forced sterilization is now scrapped. here on the program we hear one man's story. and it was full so how do you.

know what. my life has been made the. world news headlines. this is the international from all of us here welcome to the program. with an unprecedented meeting between the u.s. and north korean leaders show if you will for june both sides are hoping to get the most out of the upcoming talks combining promises and threats donald trump is pursuing a carrot and stick approach with pyongyang if we make a deal i think kim jong il is going to be very very happy i really believe he's going to be very happy and he'll get protections that would be very strong his country would be very rich is people are tremendously industrious if you look at

south korea this would be really a south korean model in terms of their industry in terms of what they do the hard work an incredible people do you have to remember that for the last several decades donald trump has been very well known as a businessman he actually wrote a book a best selling book called the art of the deal so we shouldn't be surprised to see donald trump out front promising all kinds of riches to north korea if they agree to his deal and furthermore we shouldn't be surprised with him indicating that things might not be so rosy if they don't go along with it then i think when john bolton made that statement. yeah i think that's what denuclearization means and we have very much in mind the libyan model from two thousand and three two thousand and four he was talking about if we're going. to be having a problem because we cannot let the country have nukes we just can't do it the model if you look at that model with gadhafi that was

a total disarray should we went in there to beat him now that model would take place if we don't make a deal most likely to be a was the most prosperous country on the african continent until two thousand and eleven the government was overthrown and the country has been in a state of civil war ever sense you know people are fleeing it's just in utter chaos by bringing that up that's certainly a threat both sides are are playing it hard both sides are trying to see if they can get what they want out of the deal recently i heard north korea threatening to pull out of the negotiations over the provocative military exercises that are taking place in south korea for a long time these drills have been taking place and they're essentially a rehearsal according to north korea for invading them this is a provocative military exercise you have the u.s. forces there north korea is threatening that they might pull out so we're seeing both north korea and the united states kim jong un and donald trump you know playing a hard negotiation game in the lead up to this planned meeting. north korea has

repeatedly demanded an end to the military drills recently canceling a meeting with the south over them despite pyongyang threatening to pull the plug on a summit with the u.s. as well the pentagon has insisted the war games will continue the director of the nuclear studies institute at the american university peter cosmic things this could easily sabotage the something is a real possibility the june twelfth summit meeting might be cancelled the drills had been planned long in advance of the summit however was a mistake for the trumpet ministration stage these kinds of drills on this scale at this point this current round of war games these military exercises going on between the united states and south korea so that seemed another major provocation to north korea and the hard line statements by john bolton were enough to

fuel to actually give more leverage to the hawks in north korea now he said that could be not only depots but also killed in the same way that gadhafi was and so there are people in north korea who don't want to see him negotiate with the united states don't want to see these kinds of concessions on the part of north korea don't trust the united states and certainly don't trust john bolton. the european union is taking steps to counter act u.s. sanctions against firms that deal with iran e.u. leaders have agreed to implement a so-called blocking statute after several major companies announced they would be cutting ties with terror and amid threats from washington what are the investigations. no arguing with it america and europe had something special a relationship unlike any other they did everything together condemned rogue regimes

slapped naughty countries with sanctions they even wanted to get we have a very strong relationship with our friends and partners our friends and us administration we have a really great relationship blow through and allies and this is this very special relationship this is us almost too good to be true and it seems it was money trumps all now that america has unilaterally pulled out of the nuclear deal with iran it could start sanctioning european states companies that haven't the to do business with iran e.u. leaders merkel mack on others tried to change trump's mind with love. graduations and i think a great victory. i

. think you. except love has nothing on money europeans a facing american sanctions that's not very nice is it not something friends would do looking at the latest decisions of president. bush that. europe has had enough they stand to lose cash because of america and they won't let that happen. to divert the european commission we have the duty to protect european companies. we now need to act and this is why we're launching the process of activating the blocking statute from one thousand nine hundred six. what you're a business doing is using a statute initially developed to circumvent washington's trade embargo on cuba the

law basically protects european states from laws or sanctions implemented outside of europe you can see a political resolution look at america's new ambassador to germany hours after being confirmed he threatens german companies as donald trump said u.s. sanctions will target critical sectors of ron's economy german companies doing business in iran should wind down operations immediately my advice after a long ambassadorial career explain your country's policies and lobby the host country but never tell the host country what to do if you want to stay out of trouble germans are eager to listen but they will resent instructions from us bully boy tactics haven't gone down well in europe the block is finally showing its teeth so the new different to what we defend on this subject as all of us is

a trading sovereignty of purity and what we demand is to be exempted without any conditions and limits it with new ones that you can't get what they want to be able to be blinded to what americans tell new or do we want us europeans to say about how the economic interests them of want to have economic relations with russia what can you say every relationship has its bumps it's just that some bumps and in divorce we should not overestimate the importance of trade with iran on the whole which in europe this is a matter that might be very crucial to specific smaller companies that for example have a large part of their trade with iran i mean the big companies of gold i'm going to choose. for the better and there's going to see our interests lie more with the u.s. now with iraq and they're going to not risk these kind of sanctions where do real impact is going to be that remains to be seen we should not forget that the e.u.

politically own foreign policy issues it has always been strong on words on symbols but not much on real implementation. the importance of keeping the iran deal alive is one of the things the e.u. one of russia strongly agree on that issue among others is expected to be discussed at today's meeting between angular merkel and vladimir putin that will be happening down in. we'll give you details on that in just a few minutes. for the meantime more victims of forced sterilization under japan's now scrapped eugenics law are speaking out and suing the government for compensation here is the story of one of thousands of victims a seventy five year old man who didn't want to be identified and whose name has been changed. so it was forced to have the operation in second grade over cheney a high school that's what please return the life that i've lost my life has been made for thirty however in my heart i have been offered.