sure as a kind of appeasement and also the nuclear iran deal well also appeasement but if we want to genuinely solve the situation in a peaceful way you know if you know interaction and diplomatic matters are a big mess or as jenny pointed out you know two things some sort of really important one is how to manage expectation inflated expectation in united states especially in south korea and also how to deal with the uncertainty importance of masses we have to think about it is hard to deal with you know earn certain or risky outcomes ultimately in such kind of situations actors with a trade to minimize the loss none next muslim to me and so at this kind of you know some precarious and uncertain situation about the final outcome of the summit meeting and the following diplomatic negotiations between the united states and north korea when you to increase in more communication because trust building some

sort of understanding or mutual understanding is a sensual process and for that corporation of communication communication is basically means in a more diplomatic interactions in every level and not just in a summit level but at the same time a high ranking in the military and economic aspect in every you know levels of you know communication ok we're going to i'm going to jump in here we're going to go to a short break if i may we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on the upcoming summit state with our key. united states has always had

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call the cops and. lose their lives chasing the. same goods on the trigger you never know better safe than sorry i don't know that someone else is going to gun so yes unfortunately around here we end up going. from such preclusion this place to. welcome back to cross talk we're all things are considered we're discussing the upcoming summit. ok let's go to kevin at the very last second you want to jump in so you can jump in now go ahead kevin in washington. just to follow up on the professor's comment i thought it was very interesting and important to showing him who's the special advisor to president in south korea his statement after the north korean statement of concern and postponing the meeting that was supposed to happen in south korea so

the south korea will continue to be an aggressive mediator and i thought that was very important and very hopeful that no one's going to control trump right but i think we especially people that do want peace and i'm like peter i'm agnostic i'm no fan of trump but if he brings about peace i'm all for it those of us who really advocate peace and want to see a resolution it's about koreans making peace as much about what trump wants now trumps ego always gets in the way of everything but if trump of the united states can't support koreans making peace then we need to stay out of a completely agree that i think this is what again the mainstream media can't get their head around that it's about the korean people north and south first and foremost ok and then the u.s. is the interloper here jenny you want to also react go ahead jump in well i mean i'm not sure i necessarily agree with that completely ok because the u.s. does play a big role here because the north koreans believe the u.s.

plays a big role here and so yes there has been movement on into korean relations but at the end of the day the north koreans don't look to start to really solve the security issues because the enemy still really is the united states and that is sort of the core of their identity and of course their worries i wanted to piggyback on the professor's comments as well to say that you know i think there is a problem here and the problem is with the consistency of messaging and in an active negotiation process you can't have these competing narratives you know bolton is no longer a fox news commentator he is now the national security advisor and so what he says carries weight and so if you're negotiating with the secretary of state and he is telling you one thing and then you have the national security adviser saying something completely different. public you know in the public in the media regardless of whether or not he isn't actually involved in the process this works to undermine any confidence in what the secretary of state is saying and so this

has been a problem with the trump administration since the beginning is that there is no consistency there is no discipline and now when we are in active negotiations it is important to rein those messages in you know professor i'm really glad that jenny said that because my perception is and again i don't know how much we should weigh bolton's words it's still early days in his tenure but one of the things i think is very interesting is that i get the perception in looking at the cable news and so-called experts they're always experts on everything but they never get anything right the perception that the perception is is that you know there's going to be some kind of unification but under american terms there's going to be the end of the north korean regime and the u.s. will keep its troops there and it's those troops welcome world all the way up to china i mean this is this fairy tale that they but i think they actually believe it ok and i obviously the north will not allow that to happen in china certainly would not be interested in that i agree with jenny we have these very different

narratives and they should be coming together and not in parallel during these negotiations go ahead professor in boston. you know as you guys pointed out there's a huge perception gap but let me highlight you know a perception gap going on between here in the united states and south korea from the south korean people's point of view of course no nuclear capability of north korea is a big deal but conventionally in north and south korea already has been placed in a kind of balance of a terrorist situation if one side initiates an economy full blown were the other side would be you know both sides would be completely annihilated so if south korean people are fully aware of such kind of risk damages in that sense kind of situations and having the nuclear capability of north korea of course it has more you know some concerns but not like here in united states so we're hearing denies

that what japan nuclear north korea is a kind of a new threat and then looks like an impending threat but at least to the majority of south korean people of course it's a very important issue and we need to take care of it but it's not so it's a kind of impending issue like in united states so how to never with on these different perception gap between the two countries and the people and leaders of these two countries they're very very important i agree completely here kevin one of the things that i think is an impediment to all of this and all this use the shorthand term deep state deep state in the united states is it. what if there is peace you know breaks out on the peninsula what is the usefulness of having american troops there and then you look at all of the in tangling alliances the united states has in the pacific we think about taiwan think about japan and they're going to be saying oh well they're going to leave there what they're going

to leave us behind and then you know you this could start an arms race here i'm much like the saudi arabia if iran decides to to walk away from the the great deal . that was in play then do you think this is really one of the major concerns or not really concern in the pentagon for example they're not particularly interested in the korean people but they're interested in their strategic positioning and south korea as one big strategic position for the united states in the world go ahead. well and also connecting to the previous point you should not expect consistency out of the trumpet ministration they're incompetent they don't know what they're doing they've never done anything like this i do tend to take a more positive view because of my connection to people's movements in the region remember this was a people's movement that got rid of the prior former conservative president of south korea and moon ran on a revival of the sunshine policy and to go shooting with the north and now he's wildly popular he's the most popular leader in the in the world he's over eighty

five percent popularity i think including for his negotiations with north korea but also you have a strong people's movement on against the u.s. south korean based on jay's you island against a fat anti-missile system which is seen to be very provocative you have strong people's movements in japan against u.s. military presence particularly in okinawa and if we see some diplomatic process progress it could lead the way to something like a north east asia nuclear weapons free zone now i'm not naive about outside interests and the abbaye government for example maybe is a little bit nervous about what sharing on certainly china has an important role to play maybe a positive role as a guarantor of north korean security as they move towards if they move towards denuclearization so there are all sorts of ways this could go but peace has a proliferating effect i think as do missiles and i think if we do make progress towards peace then that may spread through the region and you could have something that might be in northeast asia

a nuclear free zone now the only thing about that is united states with our land based i.c.b.m.'s and our submarine base missiles all over the world can obliterate north korea or any target anytime they want we want so to say denuclearization of the peninsula what exactly does that mean when united states can hit targets any place within thirty minutes or whatever so that has to be taken into account so i do think china has a role to play a deterrent role or a guarantor of north korea's security if north korea is going to give up. going think that's probably i think that's why the. made two trips to beijing probably to get that clear jenny i'm so glad that everyone here has mentioned president moon because i think he's a real life hero could talk us through the strategy he has to be very very careful and he has to finesse a lot of things here he's doing a good job so far what do you expect to happen moving forward what is he going to have to do and what does he have to worry about go ahead well you know i think he made the right moves you know during the olympics to be able to have those direct

into korean talks and then to be able to move that from talk about the olympics into more broader security interests and so i think you know he's done that part right he opened the door to diplomacy he made sure that the u.s. was also at the table but now the problem is of course that now you know we do have the power declaration there is a lot of ambiguity within it but it does build obligations again and moon needs to be conscious of that and he's conscious of not just what south korea wants out of this process but what north korean expectations are and i think this is what you've seen now over the past couple of days is you know when when north korea is now protesting the idea that they're using strategic strategic assets in a military jail this does not bode well for the spirit of the penguins i'm declaration and this could fall apart easily we've seen it fall apart in the past and so there has to be you know greater concern now as to you know what are both

sides thinking what are the expectations how do we continue down a positive path. you know professor you know one of the things that you know that is very valuable when you are in negotiations like this is to be able to imagine being in the other guy's shoes ok this is a kind of dialogue here but you know i don't see that in western policymaking they could never imagine themselves in the you know they you know the american people western public so i don't think a real i said north korea is surrounded by some of the most sophisticated military hardware in the world the biggest military exercises in the world and you know there is this perception you know that somehow the the west is going to take the north and everyone's going to sing around the campfire singing kumbaya it's going to be a lot more difficult than that and i think and i don't think the publics are being

prepared for that because anything doing anything like that flying the b. fifty two so that's a concession you're conceding that's appeasement that's exactly what you get and that and this is this is what's really dangerous here because the trump is going to be boxed in you know and i'm not again like i make gnostic about trump i'm but i do believe in a process here go ahead professor right i mean great point it's always very difficult to understand the other side you know from the other sides you know point of view but i want to point you know we need to think about korean perspective of course it's not necessarily you know justifying the regime is slow the threat north korean people or the regime might feel for the united states so now as you pointed out you know for instance let's go back to the north korean nuclear weapons program i mean their conventional weapons system is pretty or their economic power is pretty. strong at all so in that context

a nuclear weapon may be the only guarantee a resume or in a security guarantee they might think like so here in united states we try to understand them. of going nuclear program as a kind of aggressive or friends that kind of program but from the north korean perspective i think they're not going to used in a nuclear weapons to conquer or are not going to the entire united states if that's the case you know most can read you will disappear on earth it's quite for sure so so basically the hands are so now penn percent of north korean you know at least you know the korean workers party people if they want to make you know collective suicide and they're going to use a nuclear weapon against the united states if that's not the case they're going to use it so if you want to use things one k. i'm sorry just i have to jump in here this program always rises excellent guess excellent discussion many thanks to my guests in washington and in boston and thanks to our viewers for watching us here darkie see you next time and remember

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in the concrete actions of. the long lost my life has been made. but i thank for sharing some of your friday with us here at r.t. international we come to you live from moscow and here come your latest world headlines. with an unprecedented meeting between the u.s. and the with korean leaders shuttled for june both sides are hoping to get the most out of the upcoming talks combining promises and threats donald trump is pursuing a carrot and stick approach with pyongyang we make a deal i think kim jong un is going to be very very happy i really believe he's going to be very happy and he'll get protections that will be very strong his country would be very rich is people are tremendously industrious if you look at

south korea this would be really a south korean model in terms of their industry in terms of what they do the hard work incredible people you have to remember that for the last several decades donald trump has been very well known as a businessman he actually wrote a book a best selling book called the art of the deal so we shouldn't be surprised to see donald trump out front promising all kinds of riches to north korea if they agree to his deal and furthermore we shouldn't be surprised with him indicating that things might not be so rosy if they don't go along with it then i think when john bolton made that statement. yeah i think that's what denuclearization means and we have very much in mind the libyan model from two thousand and three two thousand and four he was talking about if we're going. to be having a problem because we cannot let that country have nukes we just can't do it the model if you look at that model with gadhafi that was

a total decimation we went in there to beat him now that model would take place if we don't make a deal most likely to be it was the most prosperous country on the african continent until two thousand and eleven the government was overthrown and the country has been in a state of civil war ever sence you know people are fleeing it's just in utter chaos by bringing that up that's certainly a threat both sides are are playing it hard both sides are trying to see if they can get what they want out of the deal recently heard north korea threatening to pull out of the negotiations over the provocative military exercises that are taking place in south korea for a long time these drills have been taking place and they're essentially a rehearsal according to north korea for invading this is a provocative military exercise you have the u.s. forces there north korea is threatening that they might pull out so we're seeing both north korea and the united states kim jong un and donald trump you know playing a hard negotiation game in the lead up to this planned meeting north korea has

repeatedly demanded and to the military drills recently counseling a meeting with the south over them and despite pyongyang threatening to pull the plug on the summit with the u.s. as well the pentagon insists the war games will continue the director of the nuclear studies institute at the american university peter things this could easily stop a top of the summit there's a real possibility the june twelfth summit meeting might be canceled the drills have been planned long in advance of the summit however was a mistake for the trumpet ministration stage these kinds of drills on this scale at this point is her round of war games these military exercises going on between the united. that's in south korea so that's another major provocation to north korea and the hardline statements by john bolton were enough to fuel to actually

give more leverage to the hawks in north korea now he said that could be not only depots but also killed in the same way that gadhafi was and so there are people in north korea who don't want to see him negotiate with the united states don't want to see these kinds of concessions on the part of north korea don't trust the united states and certainly don't trust john bolton. relations between the e.u. and america are facing another test with the blocks leaders deciding to implement a never before used measure to take the sting out of u.s. sanctions the so-called blocking statute will legally prevent the e.u. companies from complying with foreign sanctions it was created more than two decades ago but has never actually been applied the decision was taken after several major companies announced they would be cutting ties with terror ron amid the threat of punishment from washington and what i guess d.f. picks up the story. no arguing with it america and europe had something

special a relationship unlike any other they did everything together condemned regimes slapped naughty countries with sanctions even the they wanted to get we have a very strong relationship with our friends and partners our friends i said ministration we have a really great relationship close friends. this is this very special relationship this is almost too good to be true and it seems it was money trumps all now that america has unilaterally pulled out of the nuclear deal with iran it could start sanctioning european. states companies that haven't the to do business with iran e.u. leaders merkel nakhon others tried to change trump's mind with love.

graduations and i think a great victory. i . think you. except love has nothing on money europeans a facing american sanctions that's not very nice is it not something friends would do looking at the latest decisions of president. bush like that who needs enemies. europe has had enough they stand to lose cash because of america and they won't let that happen to complete the work as the european commission we have the duty to protect european companies so we knew me to

act and this is why we're launching the process of activating the blocking statute from one thousand nine hundred six. what you're a business doing is using a statute initially developed to circumvent washington's trade embargo on cuba the law basically protects european states from laws or sanctions implemented outside of europe you can see a political resolution look at america's new ambassador to germany hours after being confirmed he threatens german companies as donald trump said u.s. sanctions will target critical sexes of ron's economy german companies doing business in iran should wind down oppressions immediately my advice after a long ambassadorial career explain your cause. trees policies and lobby the host country but never tell the host country what to do if you want to stay out of trouble germans are eager to listen but they will resent instruction prompts bully

boy tactics haven't gone down well in europe the block is finally showing its teeth so new different to what we defend on this subject as all of us is the trading sovereignty of curate or what we demand is to be exempted without any conditions and limits of yours that you can't get what they want to be russell's not what a babe blindly to what americans tell new or do we want us europeans to say about how the economic interests them of want to have economic relations with russia what can you say every relationship has it's ups it's just that some bumps and in divorce we should not overestimate the importance of trade with iran on the all which in europe this is a matter that might be very crucial to specific smaller companies that for example have a large part of their trade with iran i mean the big companies of good they're going to choose. for the better and they're going to see our interests lie more with the

u.s. now with iran and they're going to not to risk these kind of sanctions where the real impact is going to be that remains to be seen we should not forget that the e.u. on politically on foreign policy issues it has always been strong on words on symbols but not much on real implementation. the importance of keeping the iran nuclear deal alive is one of the things the e.u. and russia strongly agree upon that issue among others is expected to be discussed at today's meeting between. putin we'll bring you were reported on merkel's visit to russia in just a few minutes. more victims of forced sterilization under japan's eugenics law. and suing the government for compensation and here's the story of one of the thousands of victims a seventy five year old man who didn't want to be identified and whose name has been changed.