not but we know that that will probably be part of the process as well i mean what we know is is some of this coming up in singapore it's not going to decide everything it might start the process of deciding something and i think that's the way it should be looked at go ahead jim. yes i think it you're exactly right it is that you know this summit is not a one off it's not supposed to solve all of the problems there's only so much you can do in a one day meeting at a high level meeting you're not going to get into the details and this is been part of the problem is that this isn't necessarily how the u.s. does diplomacy and so it's been a very uncomfortable and very uncertain process along the way normally this would come after you've already negotiated all the details yet rather than setting the mandate and the objectives of what has to be in a deal so i think you know there's a lot here that is very uncertain i think there's been very bad expectation management along the way coming from both the u.s. as well as the south korean government raising expectations too high and i think

you know along this way we have to understand that there's a lot that comes out in public messaging that isn't necessarily what's being talked about behind closed doors because it is a negotiation and neither side is going to publicly publicly talk about the full range of things where there is room for negotiation because obviously they're not going to show their hands i think we need to keep perspective and keep our expectations realistic as to what we expect to see and yes there might be some concrete moves made at the beginning hopefully there are some you know very clear objectives of what has to be included in a deal and then it gets passed down to the negotiators to actually work out the details of the very good point you know kevin. decided to pull out of the iran deal if you if you look at his reasoning it had nothing to do with the deal itself the i.a.e.a. . gave a clean bill of health to turan and everything he talked about was other things

than if we could use the analogy of a basket you want to put more eggs in the basket human rights all these things here do you fear that this is what the political class is going to do. to be a spoiler because you know we can all speculate what john bolton's role in this is and we don't know he hasn't been in the job very long ok but i mean i worry that these extra things will be added ok regime change the type of regime of the hype of system that's going to be that's going to solve our everything we should be very focused on one thing and that might maybe just might be doable cabin. well i don't think bolton's role is going to be positive or good and certainly people that have studied this issue know that he helped to scuttle the last agreement that was negotiated under the clinton administration the agreed framework when he was in the bush administration i have to say though that the recent protest by the north korean government the u.s.

south korean war exercises makes all the sense in the world for them to have complained why in the world we have to do these twice a year the largest military exercises in the world we're not sure that our stuff is going to work what are my tax dollars paying for and the fact that it was reported that the f. twenty two and be thrifty two were used of course it looks to north korea like a practice for an invasion or a decapitation strike so that part of the problem is the united states has no humility we're the number one superpower the war machine runs on autopilot if we have these planes ready to fly these military exercises we're going to do and eat our dust and like now and that just doesn't set a good tone for diplomacy and i think when you had the great thaw with the olympic truce and at first north korea not complaining about the war exercises the earlier version of the war exercises that was an astonishing concession by them and then we have to rub their nose in it by saying ok well now these air force exercises are

going to include the f. twenty two and b. fifty two although i did see a report yesterday that maybe they're going to pull back the b. fifty two but it doesn't set a good precedent to go ahead and do this and rather north korea's nose in it when we're about to go into diplomacy exactly go back to the professor in boston it's one of the problems we have here is that unfortunately particularly in since the end of the cold war diplomacy is often equally to do with appeasement and i think we need to get away from that if we're going to make any kind of progress go ahead in boston. yeah that's very important point to him and john bolton was the guy who years the you know appeasement he preferred regime change or military option in solving the problem as you know well and then he was the guy who described the agreed framework of nine hundred ninety four as a kind of appeasement and also the nuclear iran deal well also appeasement but if we want to genuinely solve the situation in

a peaceful way you know if you know interaction of diplomatic matters or been that's are as jenny pointed out you know two things some sort of really important one is how to manage expectation inflated expectation in united states especially in south korea and also how to deal with uncertainty important masses we have to think about is the heart of the way the current certain or risky outcomes ultimately in such kind of situations actors will try to minimize the loss none next muslim to me and so at this kind of you know some precarious and uncertain situation about the final outcome of the summit meeting and the following diplomatic negotiations between the united states and north korea when you to increase in more communication because trust building some sort of understanding or mutual understanding is a sensual process and for that corporation a communication communication is basically means you know more diplomatic

interactions in every level and not just in a summit level but at the same time a high ranking in the military and economic aspect in every you know levels of you know communication ok we're going to i'm going to jump in here we're going to go to a short break if i may we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on the upcoming summit state with our kate. we have to judge countries are certainly there said the rector gives case per case

so we need more objective but the reality is. you know media tries to give the facts but also leave. their worldview so this is where social media and direct communication comes in unfortunately it's sometimes called fake news a sometimes yes but it's sometimes actually a different world view that they just fake news by our fourth people. across europe municipalities are taking their water supply back from private companies to me to people this is the simple song alone even some company gets full elsewhere so they can find private companies to take over the utilities many bought a telescope of a locksmith she got she got to be violent to pick him up to go buy been this is a map of us to quote them out of your oath of office and where you're not able to lift bill brought up locals are ready to stand up for the basic human right of

access to water it's about water but it's also over much more and more it's about to hurt and the redistribution of our west works on their debt downwards we want all. those other. oh oh i want to be. kind i'm not is no you. know you. welcome back to cross talk we're all things considered i'm peter remind you we're

discussing the upcoming summit. ok let's go to kevin at the very last second you want to jump in so you can jump in now go ahead kevin in washington. just to follow up on the professor's comment i thought it was very interesting and important to show him who's the special advisor to president in south korea his statement after the north korean statement of concern and postponing the meeting that was supposed to happen in south korea so that south korea will continue to be an aggressive mediator and i thought that was very important and very hopeful that no one's going to control trump right but i think we especially people that do want peace and i'm like peter i'm agnostic i'm no fan of trump but if he brings about peace i'm all for it those of us who really advocate peace and want to see a resolution it's about koreans making peace as much about what trump wants now trying to go always gets in the way of everything but the truth of the united

states can't support koreans making peace then we need to stay out of a completely agree that i think this is what again the mainstream media can't get their head around that it's about the korean people's north and south first and foremost ok and then the u.s. is the interloper here jenny you want to also react go ahead jump in well i mean i'm not sure i necessarily agree with that completely ok because the u.s. does play a big role here because the north koreans believe the u.s. plays a big role here and so yes there has been movement on into korean relations but at the end of the day the north koreans don't look to start to really solve the security issues because the enemy still really is the united states and that is sort of the core of their identity and the core of their worries i wanted to piggyback on the professor's comment as well to say that you know i think there is a problem here in the problem is with the consistency of messaging and in an active negotiation process you can't have these competing narratives you know bolton is no

longer a fox news commentator he is now the national security advisor and so what he says carries weight and so if you're negotiating with the secretary of state and he is telling you one thing and then you have the national security adviser saying something completely different. public you know in the public in the media regardless of whether or not he isn't actually involved in the process this works to undermine any confidence in what the secretary of state is saying and so this has been a problem with the trial that ministration since the beginning is that there is no consistency there is no discipline and now when we are in active negotiations it is important to rein those messages in you know professor i'm really glad that jenny said that because my perception is and again i don't know how much we should weigh bolton's words it's still early days in his tenure but one of the things i think is very interesting is that i get the perception in looking at the cable news and so-called experts they're always experts on everything but they never get anything

right the perception that the perception is is that you know there's going to be some kind of unification but under american terms there's going to be the end of the north korean regime and the us will keep its troops there and it's those troops welcome world all the way up to china i mean this is this fairy tale that they but i think they actually believe it ok and i obviously the north will not allow that to happen and china certainly would not be interested in that i agree with jenny we have these very different narratives and they should be coming together and not in parallel during these negotiations go ahead professor in boston. you know as you guys pointed out there's a huge perception gap but let me highlight you know a perception gap going on between here in the united states and south korea from the south korean people's point of view of course no nuclear capability of north

korea is a big deal but conventionally in north and south korea already has been placed in a kind of balance of a terrorist situation if one side initiates an economy full blown were the other side would be you know both sides would be completely annihilated so if south korean people are fully aware of such kind of risk damages in that sense kind of situations and having the nuclear capability of north korea of course it has more you know some concerns but not like united states so we're hearing tonight is that what japan nuclear north korea is a kind of a new threat and then looks like an impending threat but at least to the majority of south korean people of course it's a very important issue and we need to take care of it but it's not so it's a kind of impending issue like in united states so how to never with on these different perception gap between the two countries and the people and leaders of these two countries they're very very important i agree completely here kevin one

of the things that i think is an impediment to all of this and all this used to shorthand term deep state deep state in the united states is it. what if there is peace you know breaks out on the peninsula what is the usefulness of having american troops there and then you look at all of the in tangling alliances the united states has in the pacific we think about taiwan think about japan and they're going to be saying oh well they're going to leave there where they're going to leave us behind and then you know you this could start an arms race here i'm much like the saudi arabia if iran decides to to walk away from the the great deal . that was in play then do you think this is really one of the major concerns or not really concern in the pentagon for example they're not particularly interested in the korean people but they're interested in their strategic positioning and south korea as one big strategic position for the united states in the world go

ahead. well and also connecting to the previous point you should not expect consistency out of the trumpet ministration they're incompetent they don't know what they're doing they've never done anything like this i do tend to take a more positive view because of my connection to people's movements in the region remember this was a people's movement that got rid of the prior former conservative president of south korea and moon ran on a review oshea thing with the north and now he's wildly popular he's the most popular leader in the in the world he's over eighty five percent popularity i think including for his negotiations with north korea but also you have a strong people's movement on against the u.s. south korean based on jay's you island against a fat anti-missile system which is seen to be very provocative you have strong people's movements in japan against u.s. military presence particularly in okinawa and if we see some diplomatic process progress it could lead the way to something like a north east asia nuclear weapons free zone now i'm not naive about outside

interests and the abbaye government for example maybe is a little bit nervous about what sharing on certainly china has an important role to play maybe a positive role as a guarantor of north korean security as they move towards if they move towards denuclearization so there are all sorts of ways this could go but peace has a proliferating effect i think as do missiles and i think if we do make progress towards peace then that may spread through the region and you could have something that might be north east asia a nuclear free zone now the only thing about that is united states with our land based i.c.b.m.'s and our submarine base missiles all over the world can obliterate north korea or any target anytime they want we want so to say denuclearization of the peninsula what exactly does that mean when united states can hit targets any place within thirty minutes or whatever so that has to be taken into account so i do think china has a role to play a deterrent role or a guarantor of north korea's security if north korea is going to give up this asset and i think that's probably. i think that's why the. made two trips to beijing

probably to get that clear jenny i'm so glad that everyone here has mentioned president moon because i think he's a real life hero. talk us through the strategy he asked to be very very careful and he has to finesse a lot of things here he's doing a good job so far what do you expect to happen moving forward what is he going to have to do and what does he have to worry about go ahead. well you know i think he made the right moves you know during the olympics to be able to have those direct into korean talks and then to be able to move that from talk about the olympics into more broader security interests and so i think you know he's done that part right he opened the door to diplomacy he made sure that the u.s. was also at the table but now the problem is of course that now you know we do have the power declaration there is a lot of ambiguity within it but it does build obligations again and moon needs to

be conscious of that and he's conscious of not just what south korea wants out of this process but what north korean expectations are and i think this is what you've seen now over the past couple of days is you know when when north korea is now protesting the idea that they're using strategic strategic assets in a military jail this does not bode well for the spirit of the penguins i'm declaration and this could fall apart easily we've seen it fall apart in the past and so there has to be you know greater concern now as to you know what are both sides thinking what are the expectations how do we continue down a positive path you know professor you know one of the things that you know that is very valuable when you are in negotiations like this is to be able to imagine being in the other guy's shoes ok this is a kind of dialogue here but you know i don't see that in western policy making they could never imagine themselves in the you know the you know the american people

western public so i don't think you realize that north korea is surrounded by some of the most sophisticated military hardware in the world the biggest military exercises in the world and you know there is this perception you know that somehow the west is going to take the north and everyone's getting around the campfire singing kumbaya it's going to be a lot more difficult than that and i think you know i don't think. publics are being prepared for that because anything doing anything like that flying the b. fifty two so that's a concession you're conceding that's appeasement that's exactly what you get and that and this is this is what's really dangerous here because the trumpet is going to be boxed in you know that i'm not again like i make gnostic about trauma but i'm but i do believe in a process here go ahead professor right i mean great point it's always very difficult to understand the other side you know from the other sides you know point of view but then to put you know we need to think about it in

a month korean perspective quite seriously it's not necessarily you know just to find a regime you sell that that threat north korean people or the regime might feel for the united states so now as you pointed out you know for instance let's go back to the north korean nuclear weapons program i mean their conventional weapons system is pretty all their economic power is pretty old and best strong at all so in that context a nuclear weapon may be the only guarantee a regime or in a security guarantee they might think like that so here in united states we try to understand they're not going to nuclear program as a kind of aggressive or defensive kind of program but from the north korean perspective i think they're not going to used in a nuclear weapons to conquer or annihilate the entire united states if that's the case you know most can resume will disappear from on earth it's quite for sure so so basically the hands are so now ten percent of north korean you know eliot you

know the korean workers party people if they want to make a you know collective suicide and they're going to use the nuclear weapon against the united states if that's not the kids they're going to use it so if you notice that his one k. i'm sorry just i have to jump in here this program always surprising excellent guest excellent discussion many thanks and i guess in washington and in boston and thanks to our viewers for watching us here are can see. six times and remember hospitals. i can tell you i have killed thirteen people with missile strikes and there are one thousand six hundred and twenty six unnamed enemies that were killed in all the missions that i completed and i know that i know that for a fact and i know each of these persons was a human being they had a family they had friends they had lives and we ended there the possibilities are

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ten people have been killed and ten others injured after a student opened fire at a texas high school witnesses describe scenes of panic. you hear who knew him but who it is raining but it was still scary i didn't know what to do you know my everything shot up my heart started beating real fast i didn't know. former russian spy sergio scripts found this just yards from hospital in the u.k. ten weeks after he was poisoned by nerve agent. the russian president vladimir putin has the meeting with german chancellor angela merkel with the iran nuclear deal at the top of the agenda however. it's not all about politics here and saatchi house multiple and cement their decades long friendship and vowed not to let disagreements the room thinks.

oh this is actually international coming to you live from moscow on thank you for joining us. ten people have been killed and ten others injured in a shooting at a high school in the u.s. state of texas the shooter has been identified as seventeen year old student demetrius had court says he stormed santa fe high school with a shotgun and a revolver and latest surrendered to police several homemade bombs have been found at the scene and in the suspects home the governor of texas said information on this computer suggests the crime of the shooter has information contained in the shooting but he wanted to comfort the weapons used in this it one was a shotgun a revolver. and the other these weapons and both of these weapons from his father.

shots in the hallway we are confirming that ten people are this point two people are in police suspect who carried out the shooting. and soon as though everybody looks and you hear so i like all of the trees to see you know i want to be inside and it's house and then we ran to the it was it was scary the real fast i didn't know what to do for these found items that they thought were posse. the explosive devices and it has now been determined bacco which is on the scene that indeed these were explosives well just four weeks ago santa fe heinlein was against gun violence fibers at the parkland massacre shooting in u.s. history that they've become. his daughter you know word me to don't so we're going to pass

a strip to his rank after he was in prison in russia when he was access to him involved to these people to sort. through books or the russian city of pictures nobody through surrogates script powell has been discharged of souls redistrict hospital we can assume that she was discharged a from the public eye and out of the glare of the media and i think we can expect something very similar with a surrogate event the massive scandal that they're poisoning sparked and the diplomatic fallout at how the for the poisoning over the past two months. just concluded that it is highly scripted. that she was russian mr speaker this action has happened against the backdrop came from well the russian ambassador conference that as this story out is being cast upon the u.k. government's continuous assertion that it could have only take

a lesson from the from the czech republic from the president to a church group of this certainly more to follow the child was produced to the only country that was cute has released a statement saying that they're keeping the progress of it under wraps but perhaps most importantly what's interesting here is that despite the huge scandal and the political fallout that since you'd as a result of what happened in salzburg on the on the diplomatic expulsions in the war of words with the kremlin and it is that investigators in this case are still none the wiser asin was that smeared that. where she's been meeting flatter me a person. has the very beginning like to pull it again we're meeting here and saatchi when angola merkel stepped out of her limousine lot of our first when the newly reappointed russian prime minister dmitri medvedev was walking out of the

building and the chancellor wished him good luck in russian the future. of the music then later during the press conferences both leaders kept saying how no political differences can stop them and their countries from being partners if not friends fifty one sort of you we have to teach it interest to maintain good relations with russia and maintaining dialogue is crucial i want to underline that if we want to overcome issues we need to conduct dialogue there are many topics where we're united. germany is one of our key trade partners we just started by german goods in higher volumes which supports jobs in germany our cooperation common enterprises these are essential factors influencing the lives of germans and russians but the russian and german governments do have a whole lot of issues between them from the ukrainian crisis.