as with a. new winner. in a trade war and my view is it should be avoided as much as we can because except that the americans dictate the terms of the business has to be it has to be partnership but as long as they do not know what a partnership is finished should try. to keep it alive so germany was previously slammed by the united states for failing to pay its share of two percent of its g.d.p. to the nato budget trump now says member countries must pay four percent of their g.d.p. to nato is your money planning to meet this target if almost nobody viewer of is it when meeting the two percent are you how is washington going to make everyone pay for i can tell you there's a strong majority of germans and in my view

a strong majority of europeans every b.-a is slick against the new one. does not see didn't meet for. higher defense spending and you'll be doing. it soon the g.'s in the european union by. that in defense meant this we have started to do that but. i would stick the oppose the idea that if you have to spend two percent g.d.p. full to put a common defense and it's in my view an even higher percentage is. not debatable so trombones so says that those underpaying to the nato budget will be dealt with whatever that means that's almost whatever that's almost at the same time as he's threatening sanctions on europe

over it on i mean why does europe and germany in particular allow united states to play quill them here and there because that's what it looks like from the outside. yes i. do you. would. be. an american what is he was always a mixture. of megalomania and strict obedience so we never we never found the desired middle ear so we need to need to discuss. people into how tough and need to tell the. american friends that until no. less exis once again. full the full peace and stability not only

in europe but but. since as well. disappear. the bill have more tensions will have to have more conflict. come closer. to the final to perhaps the final complete and nobody nobody even mr tribe but he know what do. we must be kind. to prevent a situation from happening. americans and the europeans in different comes but i know it's will be it's going to be difficult i know it all right so we're going to take a short break right now when we're back we'll continue talking to fred reagan former vice president of the european commission talking about charming crashed relations stay with us.

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. so we're back to earth and her again former vice president of the european commission discussing the i'm an easy german or russian partnership all right so the new. foreign minister mr maass started his tenure by taking a tough stance on russia but just a little while later we see germany and russia standing together in support of the iran deal against american attempts to dismantle it can one of the facts of the iran do affair be to actually bring germany and russia closer together. yes i think i think it does we have a busy strong common interest here and perhaps it shows that many many other areas

have common interests as far as the new foreign minister in germany is concerned. and they should give him a little bit of time i was slightly surprised when he made that announcement because this is. not to put his seed. in the coalition if you meant and it's clearly not the policy. of democratic party to which to which he belongs my my feeling is that a strong strong majority not only of social democrats since there are many but who are german population once good and plenty leave the lesions with russia and strongly dislikes the complication of policy that we have seen during the last time in his first interview as german foreign minister mr masse was using

words like villager and hostile was speaking about russia something no acting german foreign minister was heard saying before should be seen as berlin's mouthpiece here i mean at the same time chancellor merkel is meeting with putin and saying that relations with russia are strategic priority countries need to talk and there's a german government have a united line on russia at the moment or not. good good good good question. i'm not a member of this government so i do not know but i noticed the discrepancy beach to a bit you have mentioned and. i would not have used the terms which mr moss used perhaps it was not he will not repeat it my understanding is that chancellor merkel is billion much interested. in constructive solutions building and building confidence and she is the one

who defines the guidelines of germany's foreign put is c. so give gifts to the present coalition in the debate time to adjust my understanding is the police finally the policy line bill be to try to corporal it was as much as possible like you have mentioned that the attitude that mr moggs has taken towards russia has brought sharp criticism from his own party members and other german politicians it seems that while the german chorus on russia is in line with the e.u. there is an internal political divide in the german establishment when it comes to relations with moscow how deep is this divide and how does it affect policy. yes. it concerns me busybody much what i what i can see since

a couple of years but getting stronger and stronger. between . the normal population and called intellectual elites people in the people in the media people in think tanks people in political positions they have a much much tougher position than the german citizen. we have we have similar similar situation as well that did the elites in our country. are losing contact with the interests and the views of the people so this is see isn't it in a democracy. if normal people. have completely completely different views and if you ask me who should change. i think that. those people.

and even. increasing tensions. at least think what they are doing so i agree with what you're saying because i have statistics here that said it's from their spiegel it says that sixty eight percent of germans don't want to tell the stance on russia and overwhelming ninety four percent of germans think that good relations with russia are important will pay made of voters pressure the german leaders to find a softer approach to the german russian relations in the end. it depends it depends on what happens in a reality is. to see is not is not a matter of butch's fine point is c. is a matter of dietz so so we have to see whether we can find common ground in. the

interests like middle east like. perhaps even even ukraine in my view we. have common interests and of course of course economy. partnership it put a leash and ship needs substance we need to be need to do something and here we should not forget that the violent. between between germany and russia despite all the disturbing disturbing words and voices still be a good to have strong touch the relations we have visitors strong economic relations extremely strong between people and organisations from the civil society be shouldn't be shouldn't be shouldn't underestimate that and yes i believe that finally. understand that we.

have a particular this bun's ability to. make to make sure that russia is three to it as an equal in europe so even if there is a political decision in berlin to for example i don't know the sanctions on russia there are approach by all in all member states so our german is hands tied on the issue regardless of whether the government wants to lift sanctions or not. yeah. dissensions to central european ish your peon decision and a single country like seventy cannot cannot change it need we need to need a common decision but i believe if if if conditions which would allow the german government on as a government to say we do not need to sing along and they would like to do that.

sooner than later nobody really likes the saying it's not the french not. know what nobody really likes it and. i would hope i would hope context beautiful full enough at most feel. better about the climate and then the next step because. decision to lift the sanctions step by step. in one step it depends on the situation so meanwhile as germany goes along with the sanctions it still manages to their lots of business with russia for instance building the north stream two giant pipelines natural gas into germany directly from russia so how does our lame balance this principle diplomacy approach with pragmatic pipeline projects. yeah it does. not seem not to in. as

far as i understand it was not involved in the decision making as far as i understand it the position of the german government is that not seem to is interest only of germany but those interests of neighboring countries and the use in particular of poland and the budget countries and i think that mrs merkel made it made it clear that not to does not does not mean necessarily a dead. is snoozing its importance as a transit country for gus i think the best solution would be to find a b. that. didn't eat up ukraine and poland by guaranteeing that the certain amount of and that she would be transported to buy these gun please. let's leave notes to. be

neat. to meet the demand. because the demand is not. a must that it month is increasing as everybody knows so they're killed made it clear where every cent lay that nor stray into project shouldn't go forward until all the issues of ukraine's transit row are settled she said that there are political casa durations involved how does this go along with german government officials numerous statements that nordstrom to. commercial project yet it does not go along with that it does it does not and do not know what the german government. legally instrument to stop that and i don't think so so this was a political pull to do political statement in my view it would be wise to do as i have said to find the balance aleutian which also takes into account the interests

of ukraine and of ukraine and poland but to is as you have said for economic economically absolutely important for germany and to test if you are so why is no extreme to so dangerous in brussels i mean the germans are pragmatic people they wouldn't sign up for something if it were really strategically dangerous is it more infrastructure always a good thing. you know what. and position. tough position against most most. complaining complaining a lot and some other countries as well. the same situation the ports feel. that he.

made. a mistake one should have to try to have to have to pull out but that is spilt milk no again the best solution would be taking into account. the month for gust from russia. to say between two. of all right thank you very much for this interesting talk we were talking to. former vice president also european commission discussing european efforts to rescue the deal and germany's relations with russia that's it for this edition of. next time.

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