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from the catalan secession catastrophe madrid is what you over the rest of provinces where independence voice is still ringing loud despite a crackdown on separatist leaders. the new kind of on government continue on a course of confrontation on the spanish prime minister afford to restore cattle on autonomy and how does the standoff impact on the rest of europe. you know latin writing us thank you very much for being our guest today it's a pleasure was a pleasure of mine all right so want to start with cattle on the air because it's back in the spotlight again of the new catalan leader mr torres very pro independence and he offered dialogue to spanish prime minister he wants madrid to return the autonomy to catalonia and stop direct rule of province i mean what are the chances while qatar or the spanish would be oh we're always a spain i mean we have a very mild say advance of the anomic system in

a spin but i call the effect that i would state people don't know what of advancement on the spanish quarter to show high given to the cut outs and called citizens of spain. i mean you mentioned ballo comment that i was shocked but we didn't. do a national although i mean you have to talk to respect the spanish constitution to the spread the spanish law and then you can offer a dialogue everybody same pay would have died but they have to respect the legal system and the bad news and use new york representative for that he's been appointed president generally thought of this by the regional autonomy is not really as stupid as to go in the right direction so we have to see how things so evolve and how we can create this dialogue that's absolutely necessary but respected the national

a spanish law so let's go point by point the ruling party saying that if they give catalans back their autonomy that would mean that they will jump right in to the new independence that no. do not go into spontaneous. socialist government was form part of this government that we gave to the carter lance our newest star to me was a very advanced even recognized. qatada nation unfortunately the conservative party the one who is now governing the spain consider that these advantages that there was not constitutional they make an appeal at the cost of different courts in spain that reject the start you that the socialist government gave to the cut out and i think it's one of the options i think at the end of this to give autonomy fact the turning back because i mean within the spanish court situation we have means and ways to really understand the needs of certain

specifically for the qataris nobody denied that but you have to respect the law the question is you said is one of the options to give back the time and do not fear the same thing as the ruling party here is that if the autonomy is given that. they will push for the referendum one more time and referendum they have the right i mean out there cover to me were not given the article one fifty five is so only a certain issue because they are not respected in certain elements of the law but the tanami is that we didn't cut the autonomy of the cuttle that's the question that that we can improve their autonomy that's what they are asking for but that's of the improving not only the socialist party of the majority of us by not fighting for a while all the seed is to be independent there will not be a cuttle a state that's for sure so the question of how we accommodate the nationalities view of the national details of the land within. let's say

a van choked on i mean for the car to land in the region i mean international of course you do for an hour or two over spain so improved autonomy as you put it. we are understand that if catalonia gets improved autonomy that is actually going to cause a chain reaction. two other communities in spain no really i mean the basque are where the site is try to remember that bass was to be in the pen another slim shot is probably with the system they have that a fiscal policy. with the other after it is for you mentioned the bass commission and nothing's going to happen because the bass are really happy and it's true because they're in charge of their own finances and at the end of the day that's what initially catalans wanted they wanted to see in charge of their own finances so why give the rights the basque but not to the catalan because the catalan in one hundred seventy five renault nj people doesn't know that they want to work out what

there was a new constitution they offer the same treatment to biased and ca talents. to the boss and say ok you have fiscal policy tournaments in fiscal or for budget if you have a deficit in transportable how about their future even tell you how about the future depression if you have to pay your past the cut and say no cover car i want to have a special trip but the central government has to pay my deficit so now they are a claim and they say that we were wrong we want the same treatment of the basque but what they have didn't work it can't be done it can be negotiate they have no problem with that have to be of course i'm honest with the general community service plan is its bunnies region but people say well we are treated badly the cattle are just not to cut down and choose this way and they will make a run at first but. for they don't get the what the basket world at that time were

ready to take and now they are of course claiming that they have to have a better treatment but you know that is a very nationalistic attitude catalan leader torres says directly right now that he wants to bring former calorie decrease demand back to office i mean that's impasse . well because the demand is being accused of rebellion do you think you have enough leverage and pressure on the trade to actually bring which puts them on those guys back to the level of what we are waiting for the german german colter to be shot at with will be extradited to to. just i just judge ban and to say what the just as some would say about him yes cape. via red arrow and then let's say a german court says he's not guilty do you think it's a possibility that hicks are coming back and you know goes back to your car and i

think if it's come back to spend he would be a judge that's into a bit i suppose he would be arrested and brought into to justice so yes that the the spanish model his astonishment as a unitary state for a federal government is actually perfect people from the outside who follow the news would argue differently there would only i mean ask or the boss asked. and i was young i asked us how many experts in international law and people who countries spent to a starter the spanish model and i'm loathe to cut a lot of that has been and is a trend or wrong trend the majority of the people consider that will have a quite a fable double system for integrated differences and astronaut is to you my question was some a little different to you maybe because everything needs an update sometimes constitutions need an update to sing maybe could be revised to be one federal like

germany or switzerland or unite javert going to go to the socialist party has to offer to of course a different reform of the spanish prostitution that is a commission in the parliament and we are going to open a debate with everybody and they've had the end of the negotiation that have consensual story form i have not. only problem about the spine is for their own state and with that my personality but they have to be. negotiated discussed on the spine is low on the spine the shoulder that at the end that is a concern sure why not so there is no problem about that but up to be done in a positive in a normal and i would say. in intention to really keep what already is a walk in world so when the referendum happened to crack down from the center for madrid was very tough they were very clear that they did not want

anything like that to happen in their country so now when you talk about maybe compromise may be given more autonomy maybe maybe this has been the position of socialist party to try to engage in normal by iraq with them what happened is for and there was some some of that has been a lot of fake news show a fake image that had the most people who were hard it was not the right show there has been a lot of money palatial what happened this first of october but the decision your way to inform the people it is true that there was some. truth to her of the sick could do for to. broker from this proportionate but the question that she was illegal. and i think. the main main point though although see that you can engage with in the. spine is legal framework and then you would see my question

was. something about different because madrid was so tough on this referee my word not short. there was also the has been the idea in britain for some international media that works out of their work not that it was of value late teens. you know the legal all the they have been there in that these referenda was illegal there was no basically there was another crackdown so as not the crowd it's what i told you the how were fake team a cheese they had no they didn't happen in cup and you know but lot of the level of people you are asking me so there was for response but not for tough it was a response like no soto no such nonsense and none of us did it it's a reaction if you want it was was a. lot you have to be tough you know i'm not this this is when you know you don't

let me finish my question is about something very different because it was not tough but a little bit tough the crackdown do you think now they can keep you know given something to compromise because it seems like you know they're very firm like you are very firm about the position of madrid do you feel like if they compromise now they will lose face in you know in front of their voters maybe you know the president the government he'll be in the cross coordination with the leader of sorceress park there with the leader of the big liberal party and they say well you're for dialogue but we did in the international the national constitution ready to express back to you know i think that iraq can be open and so we hope that you will be the offer and. accepted by this independent this that we can do this right to mauritius we'll take a short break right now when we're back we'll continue talking to media. spain's

former foreign minister stay with us. those who know the middle east understand that the decision to bring tens of thousands of palestinian marchers to our border is the work of hamas the question is does a country like israel have a right to protect its border its internationally recognized border if you say no it doesn't then you you will be exposed.

most people think to stand out in this business you need to be the first one on top of the story or the person with the loudest voice of the biggest raid in truth to stand down lose business you just need to ask the right questions and demand the right answer. questions. we're back with miguel and. spain's former foreign minister jim retinas so i want to talk about use reaction to what was going on as they did they weren't favorable to cotland before independence and they sent signals to discourage it right away and now you mentioned the german car to european courts are stalling the process of

the extradition of the catalan leaders while we are waiting for what the justices of germany are going to decide i will have to respect that whatever decision is going to be taken with be respected we have no problem or with european colleagues and european partners european countries they are very a strong message they be single recognition i remember. they declare. independence i wrote an article most of. the title was social thirtieth three qatar under all. that means a. while so for that. there were three countries who brokered most of one color only declared up and there was little state in the world that nobody recognized and of course european members they're not going to recognize got donya

so within the european union that could be a strong trans from a position of the people of artists of some parliament but national state there will be no possibility for patel you know to integrate or to have any relation with the e.u. institutions so you're absolutely right that catalan conflict has implications beyond the spanish border i'm talking about the western balkans because cost of the first beat to join the you can advance any further the. because spain will never recognize it probably fearing the capital and like you said do you see any kind of scenario where spain might change position on cause of the the keep its position on catalonia you know i was foreign minister of spain during the seven years and i have tremendous pressure from some european countries from goodnight and state from somebody cunt countries to recognize course i never that's you know cannot imagine how much i have to defend the spanish position because i knew was

a bad president and i think russian federation understood that all true cause trouble is the example hard to should not be abided accepted this kind of recognition unit up throughout the kurdish are independent joe d.-i mistaken international law i said from the beginning and i think that could be the policy front especially if that is a negotiation between belgrade and pristina and they come mostly in a peaceful and agreed. settlement was fain would record my child was recognized but these larva and prague when i checked senate slovak decided to separate them so bitterly in agreement. recognize what we cannot go and to accept if you need to add to the creation of independence that's what has happened in kosovo if that is the beginning and the nightmare that we are affecting the whole international

law let's start in general about e.u. enlargement. french press and the consing should not be enlarging any further. because it weakens europe now montenegro and serbia hope to become members by twenty twenty five what do your take should you be enlarging and take you know everyone is going now to we are coming to the hour of truth we kind of continue over does. marchment process is that it's not clear objective for what kind of europe we are looking for we want to have our. large area all free trade space like some countries in distant and central european to retore wants or we want to have our strong integrated chopra national junior up that can be a real actor in the new world of twenty first century and that is going to happen

in the next year i think that is the project that to them are crow and mrs merkel and spain and all those we try to to defend the old europe is going to credit the new drop and while we had that you know on. the last month process in two thousand and four we have turned your members from coming from the baltic from eeprom eastern area from eastern european areas and then well we started to then but and then will have the perspective they will be welcome but if they are welcome to have to fulfill the whole principle like that it cannot be number of european union like hungary or like poland the state and go to brussels to the money the resources and then when there is refugees and you have to show all will know immigration you have to show solidarity said no it's not my

business is not my european union so sometimes you look to brush over for money and sometimes you look to the atlantic to washington for a strategy alliance now that's. either you argue your opinion or you now in full extent all do are not you're ugly and they're large been there is a problem of integration of whoever right now is already member and like ron says you know in order. to be integrated the way i see it is we need to have like. a bit more tight union with common budget common finance chiefs and then there is this whole idea of two speed europe of people of some members who want to fully integrate they need to like catch up faster and you know those who want to do it slower than they're welcome and you can you know divide europe into two parts to think that's a viable thing right now well i think we are going to go into this path i mean to say i will say it would be to a spirit to espie the drop. already in the new virtual assistant virtually of rome

treaty that shear there was a paragraph that say well we could advance had different rhythm members that can go further another. like behind so. the world situation today cannot allow to have a discussion of minimum a common denominator i mean you cannot come in for eastern oil sure have a clear position of europe about the middle east and you have four countries that go and break you know the common position of europe going torches to the opening of a u.s. embassy in jerusalem and i'm like that because they consider that while they have their own national policy it will go on national potential if you are not part. of a stronger united europe countries that want to go these lines that are much

welcome counted out their preferred to man their days a global attitude to go dark it too but they have no serious commitment towards european or further and european policy should decide by themselves everybody is welcome but everybody have to be you know. obliged to respect that the treaties so before that happens and before there is an actual two speed europe what we have right now is one fifth of europe. and very large here a skeptic movement and you know if there. are people who have exactly the opposing views of yours and they actually go to the party you know and. a lot of european countries see the rise of those parties their exact some or all things e.g. right now this people are being ignored you know they're like whatever if you know one of the european you don't have to but they're actually european do you think this continued ignoring of this part of electorate could blow up now they're not

been in or has been in the selection and the whole of europe has been the one who will contest the majority of the. public opinion look at what happened in front mrs. le pen last election due to the european engagement of mr mccrone the debate was for one day discussion about europe and now mr mrs le pen party is now you front who said no we will not go quit the duro before they say yes we would get euro we would create all the new institution even the. league of their north korean humidor it was it would have septic and they will have a seventy percent and that we are going hard on our people going about people who are worried that people. i recall are you not transferring to partition and people they say legal are there not to far we started with our want where the arrow

sceptic but then when they come close to poets said no we want to be can be part of european institution israel as the great uncle like really leader the great lead that syriza that was all shot iraq septic when they came to the power they say left her harbor you know and then disagree with that but you're talking about politicians who love and i want to call it a shotgun or i'm talking about earlier leisure politicians that represent people they really represent people and what i learned was popular yeah i don't exactly read what the young people don't like to hear that their representative political discontent with the e.u. for some kind of the electorate is still there regardless whatever they do well they are closer than our east there is now this continues i would say propaganda but you're right sceptic about the european decline european person isn't. and

are not at all in this line because it's not true because there are new generation what they call their national generation the new generation the majority are they what they are as fear is for more europe the point that the leadership today in europe has not been able to give good news to the people they have not be able to understand they have not even implementing the treaties that had not been excerpted the capacity of european union and so the new generation more european i know for my family my my daughters. my son of the people that are critical with the e.u. institution today i want something as you are critical of the institution with the leadership and others in the un you know what of not people cannot renounce the what has happened cheever europe. so these message that you were trying to convey everywhere that europe is free and europeans hard on decline is

not right now and i mean you heard what what the people talk about you refer this isn't i mean marion le pen almost became president now and yet now that you know him but now i'm telling you i'm telling you that there is discouraging to say that . there is any stronger position to go and european and when the people realize that the final decision have to be taken they say well let's be european and the proof is that everybody wants to get into the club if we were so bad it was so or such a state nobody would knock that or thought people out britain are libyan maybe some good news to get the interaction process more easy more. violence more courageous because the british has been always trying to delay it

certain decision well. even i will tell you i'm not so sure that the protests at the end would leave finally. open question but there is a lot of discussion internally in u.k. because they understood that this decision doesn't fit correctly for the cannot make them for political and security aspects of their future thank you so much for this injury i wish we had more time to ask you more questions to help will we get to do this one more time and then i can ask you more questions. about practice and everything that i can ask you today and tomorrow thank you very much good luck with everything and we thank and i think petersburg bredesen royal for allowing us to host this interview. thank you.

welcome to worlds apart israel has long contended that its security compels it to go to much greater lengths than other countries may be willing to or capable of but with the killing of dozens and injuring of thousands of palestinians in just one day the security argument gets a laugh and less sympathy abroad except perhaps in the united states dusty's real still care about how its actions are perceived anywhere but in the white house well to discuss that i'm now joined by dore gold the president of the jerusalem center for public affairs and former adviser to israeli prime minister ariel sharon benjamin netanyahu and ester it's great to talk to you today thank you very much for your time my pleasure now i know you were greatly overjoyed by the americans deciding to move their embassy to jerusalem is there anything else that you would like the trumpet administration to do on the israeli palestinian track well right

now the.