south korean war exercises makes all the sense in the world for them to have complained why in the world we have to do these twice a year the largest military exercises in the world we're not sure that our stuff is going to work what are my tax dollars paying for and the fact that it was reported that the f. twenty two b. fifty two were used of course it looks to north korea like a practice for an invasion or a decapitation strike so part of the problem is the united states has no humility we're the number one superpower the war machine runs on autopilot if we have these planes ready to fly these military exercises we're going to do and eat our dust and like and that just doesn't set a good tone for diplomacy and i think when you had the great thaw with the olympic truce and at first north korea not complaining about the war exercises the earlier version of the war exercises that was an astonishing concession by them and then we have to rub their nose in it by saying ok well now these air force exercises are

going to include the f. twenty two and b. fifty two although i did see a report yesterday that maybe they're going to pull back the b. fifty two but it doesn't set a good precedent to go ahead and do this and rub north korea's nose in it when we're about to go into diplomacy exactly but go back to the professor in boston it's one of the problems we have here is that unfortunately particularly in since the end of the cold war diplomacy is often equally to do with appeasement and i think we need to get away from that if we're going to make any kind of progress go ahead in boston. yeah that's very important point him and john bolton was the guy who years the appeasement if you prefer the regime change or military option in solving the problem as you know well and then he was the guy who described the agreed framework of nine hundred ninety four as a kind of appeasement and also the nuclear iran deal also appeasement but if we want to genuinely solve the situation in

a peaceful way you know if you know interaction and diplomatic matters are a big mess or as jenny pointed out you know two things some sort of really important one is how to manage expectation inflated expectation in united states especially in south korea and also how to deal with uncertainty important masses we have to think about is how to deal with the current certain or risky outcomes ultimately in such kind of situations actors with a trade to minimize the loss now next muslim to me and so at this kind of you know some precarious and uncertain situation about the final outcome of the summit meeting and the following diplomatic negotiations between the united states and north korea when you to increase in a more communication because trust building some sort of understanding or mutual understanding is a sensual process and for that corporation the communication communication is basically means in a more diplomatic interactions in every level and not just in

a summit level but at the same time a high ranking in the military and economic aspect in every you know levels of you know communication ok we're going to i'm going to jump in here we're going to go to a short break if i may we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on the upcoming summit state with our kate. seventy four design submissions. seven thousand pilings. to join judges. and eight hundred sixty nonstop days of. the russian w.b. a champion of it. and

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and. welcome back across like we're all things are considered i'm peter remind you we're discussing the upcoming summit. ok let's go to kevin to barry last second you want to jump in so you can jump in now go ahead kevin in washington. just to follow up on the professor's comment i thought it was very interesting and important to showing him who's the special advisor to president in south korea his statement after the north korean statement of concern and postponing the meeting that was supposed to happen in south korea so the south korea will continue to be an aggressive mediator and i thought that was very important and very hopeful that no one's going to control trump right but i think we especially people that do want peace and i'm like peter i'm agnostic i'm no fan of trump but if he brings about peace i'm all for it those of us who really advocate peace and want to see

a resolution it's about koreans making peace as much about what trump wants now trying to go always gets in the way of everything but the truth of the united states can't support koreans making peace then we need to stay out of a completely agree that i think this is what again the mainstream media can't get their head around that it's about the korean people north and south first and foremost ok and then the u.s. is the interloper here jenny you want to also react go ahead jump in well i mean i'm not sure i necessarily agree with that completely ok because the u.s. does play a big role here because the north koreans believe the u.s. plays a big role here and so yes there has been movement on into korean relations but at the end of the day the north koreans don't look to start to really solve the security issues because the enemy still really is the united states and that is sort of the core of their identity and of course their worries i wanted to piggyback on the professor's comments as well to say that you know i think there is

a problem here and the problem is with the consistency of messaging and in an active negotiation process you can't have these competing narratives you know bolton is no longer a fox news commentator he is now the national security advisor and so what he says carries weight and so if you're negotiating with the secretary of state and he is telling you one thing and then you have the national security adviser saying something completely different. public you know in the public in the media regardless of whether or not he isn't actually involved in the process this works to undermine any confidence in what the secretary of state is saying and so this has been a problem with the trial that ministrations since the beginning is that there is no consistency there is no discipline and now when we are in active negotiations it is important to rein those messages in you know professor i'm really glad that jenny said that because my perception is and again i don't know how much we should weigh bolton's words it's still early days in his tenure but one of the things i think is very interesting is that i get the perception in looking at the cable news and

so-called experts they're always experts on everything but they never get anything right the perception that the perception is is that you know there's going to be some kind of unification but under american terms there's going to be the end of the north korean regime and the us will keep its troops there and it's those troops welcome world all the way up to china i mean this is this fairy tale that they but i think they actually believe it ok and i obviously the north will not allow that to happen and china certainly would not be interested in that i agree with jenny we have these very different narratives and they should be coming together and not in parallel during these negotiations go ahead professor in boston. you know as you guys pointed out there's a huge it's perception gap but let me highlight you know a perception gap going on between here in the united states and south korea from

the south korean people's point of view of course no nuclear capability of north korea is a big deal but conventionally in north and south korea already has been placed in a kind of balance of a terrorist situation if one side initiates anaconda fullblown were the other side would be you know both sides would be completely annihilated so if south korean people are fully aware of such kind of risk or damages in that sense kind of situations and having the nuclear capability of north korea of course it has more you know some concerns but not like you know the united states so we're hearing denies that what japan nuclear north korea is a kind of a new threat and then looks like an impending threat but at least to the majority of south korean people of course it's a very important issue and we need to take care of it but it's not so it's a kind of impending issue like in united states so how to never with on these

different perception gap between the two countries and the people and leaders of these two countries they're very very important i agree completely here kevin one of the things that i think is an impediment to all of this and i'll just use the shorthand term deep state deep state in the united states is it. what if there is peace you know breaks out on the peninsula what is the usefulness of having american troops there and then you look at all of the in tangling alliances the united states has in the pacific we think about taiwan think about japan and they're going to be saying oh well they're going to leave there what they're going to leave us behind and then you know you this could start an arms race here i'm much like the saudi arabia if iran decides to to walk away from the the great deal . that was in play then do you think this is really one of the major concerns or not really concern in the pentagon for example they're not particularly interested in the korean people but they're interested in their strategic positioning and

south korea as one big strategic position for the united states in the world go ahead. well and also connecting to the previous point you should not expect consistency out of the trumpet ministration they're incompetent they don't know what they're doing they've never done anything like this i do tend to take a more positive view because of my connection to people's movements in the region remember this was a people's movement that got rid of the prior former conservative president of south korea and moon ran on a revival of the sunshine policy and the go shooting with the north and now he's wildly popular he's the most popular leader in the in the world he's over eighty five percent popularity i think including for his negotiations with north korea but also you have a strong people's movement on against the u.s. south korean based on jay's you island against a fat anti-missile system which is seen to be very provocative you have strong people's movements in japan against u.s. military presence particularly in okinawa and if we see some diplomatic process

progress it could lead the way to something like a north east asia nuclear weapons free zone now i'm not naive about outside interests and the abbaye government for example maybe is a little bit nervous about what sharing on certainly china has an important role to play maybe a positive role as a guarantor of north korean security as they move towards if they move towards denuclearization so there are all sorts of ways this could go but peace has a proliferating effect i think as do missiles and i think if we do make progress towards peace then that may spread through the region and you could have something that might be north east asian nuclear free zone now the only thing about that is united states with our land based i.c.b.m.'s and our submarine base missiles all over the world can obliterate north korea or any target anytime they want we want so to say denuclearization of the peninsula what exactly does that mean when united states can hit targets any place within thirty minutes or whatever so that has to be taken into account so i do think china has a role to play a deterrent role or

a guarantor of north korea's security if north korea is going to give. going think that's probably i think that's why the. made two trips to beijing probably to get that clear jenny i'm so glad that everyone here has mentioned president moon because i think he's a real life hero could talk us through the strategy he has to be very very careful and he has to finesse a lot of things here he's doing a good job so far what do you expect to happen moving forward what is he going to have to do and what does he have to worry about go ahead well you know i think he made the right moves you know during the olympics to be able to have those direct into korean talks and then to be able to move that from talk about the olympics into more broader security interests and so i think you know he's done that part right he opened the door to diplomacy he made sure that the u.s. was also at the table but now the problem is of course that now you know we do have

the power declaration there is a lot of ambiguity within it but it does build obligations again and moon needs to be conscious of that and he's very conscious of not just what south korea wants out of this process but what north korean expectations are and i think this is what you've seen now over the past couple of days is you know when when north korea is now protesting the idea that they're using strategic strategic assets in a military jail this does not bode well for the spirit of the penguins i'm declaration and this could fall apart easily we've seen it fall apart in the past and so there has to be you know greater concern now as to you know what are both sides thinking what are the expectations how do we continue down a positive path. you know a professor in one of the things that you know that is very valuable when you are in negotiations like this is to be able to imagine being in the other guy's shoes ok this is

a kind of dialogue here but you know i don't see that in western policymaking they could never imagine themselves in the you know you know in the american people western public so i don't even think the realize that north korea is surrounded by some of the most sophisticated military hardware in the world the biggest military exercises in the world and you know there is this perception you know that somehow the the west is going to take the north and everyone's going to sing around the campfire singing kumbaya it's going to be a lot more difficult than that and i think and i don't think the publics are being prepared for that because anything doing anything like that flying the b. fifty two so that's a concession you're conceding that's appeasement that's exactly what you get and that and this is this is what's really dangerous here because the trumpet is going to be boxed in you know on the up again like i make gnostic about trump i'm but i do believe in a process here go ahead professor right i mean green point it's always very

difficult to understand the other side you know from the other sides you know point of view but i want to point you know we need to think about korean perspective and question is not necessarily you know justifying the regime use know that threat north korean people or the regime might feel for the united states so now as you pointed out you know for instance let's go back to the north korean nuclear weapons program i mean their conventional weapons system is pretty or their economic power is pretty. strong at all so in that context a nuclear weapon may be the only guarantee or regime or in a security guarantee they might think like so here in united states we try to understand them. nuclear program has a kind of aggressive financing of kind of programs but from the most korean perspective i think they're not going to used in a nuclear weapons to conquer or are not going to the entire united states if that's

the case you know move to regime will disappear on earth it's quiet for sure so so basically the hands are so now penn percent of north korean you know at least you know the korean workers party people if they want to make about you know collective suicide and they're going to use a nuclear weapon against the united states if that's not the case they're going to use it so he will rise to his one k. i'm sorry just i have to jump in here this program always rises excellent gas excellent discussion many thanks to my guest in washington and in boston and thanks to our viewers for watching us here darkie see you next time and remember hospitals . i've been saying the numbers mean something they matter the u.s. is over twenty trillion dollars in debt more than ten colored timestamping each day

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