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hanumant of nothing of a left off allowed me to see you something that will save the world a leg up on long enough something outside of. the model s. and the tunnels live my life as a whole but up till now maybe i made the promise to look after. welcome back the british labor party's deputy leader tom watson is demanding the u.k. government reverse a decision of a media regulation in the light of allegations from a former rupert murdoch sunday times worker well that worker referred to in the british house of commons was john ford and he joins me now john thanks for coming on going underground the government says justice has already been served by the inquiry catalyzed by the murdoch media hacking of phones of a dead schoolchild what do you make of the high court decision in the us

a few days to go ahead with some kind of legal challenge well not truly on delighted i think particularly this week especially following on from me kerslake inquiry and it's clear that press practice is still us that's a reference to the magister attacks that we've been commemorating the dead indeed yes so showing that journalists practice is still out of control journalism is a competitive business and journalists will compete with each other to get a line this situation needs a root and branch inquiry we were promised leveson one and leveson two by lord leveson because he considered the. the job unfinished there are a number of areas that were to be looked at particularly the relations of the media and the police and so forth and it seems strangely convenient to

a government which is struggling to survive to want to kill off something which is going to be painful for them what did you do at the sunday times i was a black or a black or is a person who uses social ingress so i would ring people up spin them a story to illegally get information from them so i would work it was a journal step by step process generally worked. from an address the lowest point from someone's gas account recovered. the very least they're ecstatic tree telephone number that was used as a security. following that i'd then strand find out whether or not there's a direct debit recover the bank details then move on whatever i could to with those details to open bank accounts mortgage is tax i

stole rubbish and went through the trash of ministers looking for. anything that might compromise them or their political standpoint or certainly when i was working for the sunday times i had a strong belief that i was working in the public interest exactly because i think you can surely see that journalists although i suppose you was going to say that you are weren't a journalist when you were doing that work there is a public interest defense of all the things you just said if say a minister had been involved in privatisation of a utility or a myriad other corruption investigations that are legitimately done in the public interest indeed indeed and this wasn't some of the work i did particularly the work on terror identifying terrorist cells in the way was clearly in the public interest. and i have no ethical issue did the public service yes i

mean you you did this kind of thing against alastair campbell and tony blair and someone to suggest that that kind of surveillance. in the run up to the iraq war i think it was because newt you were doing this it was slightly earlier but yes it was in the run up to the war you know he didn't think that many people in this country would see that as if he wanted to reveal details of the kind of economy with the truth then shown to us by the iraq inquiry of chilcot should have been worthwhile there's legislation in place to govern. the use of. illegality should be. liking the dark arts but there are specific guidelines and they don't include fishing expeditions and removing someone's. rubbish from outside their house is very clearly a fishing expedition and nothing more what happened to the person who was telling

you to go on those fishing expeditions then editor of john with a well what's interesting about john with is that following his performance and parenthesise performance at leveson he then went on to be promoted to the ship of the times the newspaper of record in the case so he got a promotion john whether it yet is and it has been one thousand nine hundred thirteen your name of course mentioned only once during the first leveson inquiry i mean he was already controversial he said that michael foot the then labor leader was a k.g.b. agent in these on the ties that make an out of court settlement to rupert murdoch of the not supporting the labor party in those days what was it like to work for. i never met him i was always kept out of the what was called the plant i only ever entered the plant once operated as

a free lunch so that there was credible bed let's see i only knew reports of him from people that i became very close to working with over the telephone but people actually in the end when the whole day with them became close friends with who more than twice referred to him is as a sociopath was it your interpretation that when you were hacking the abbey national account of gordon brown that rupert murdoch has a lot in the press these days about the attacks on the leader of the labor body to recall what was your interpretation that in effect what you were doing was trying to destroy the political chances of gordon brown with the benefit of hindsight it's clear that the there was a political agenda to undermine cotton brown i should say that the government scientist david kelly who somewhat suggest tried his best to avert a war that killed or wounded or displaced tens of millions of people. i don't know

if you've been quoted as having qualms about what happened to him did work on david kelly home address utilities and so forth and it was several days later that rufford famously turned up at the kelly's room residence i think it's on the record it was a great shock said the family. and curiously two days later he was found with his wrists slit and the inquiry seems suggest that he was incapable of cutting state with his. weak wrists a my theories about the david kelly. remain open i'm just ashamed of thought at some level i may be complicit in in his death. joe ford thank you thank you very much. well from surveilling those who brought us the

iraq war let's turn to attempts to alleviate that was catastrophic consequences through literally taking voltages advice to cultivate a garden i'm joined now by kerry perkins the director of operations and cultural anthropology at the lemon tree trust it's an organization that has put the world's worst refugee crisis center stage in the garden of this year is chelsea flower show in london thanks for going to go tell me about the trust and how anyone who looks at the good show we see everything that it really seems to be well thank you so much for having me the garden at chelsea this year sponsored by the lemon tree trust and we are an organization that supports gardening and gardening initiatives and refugee camps primarily in northern iraq so the garden this year has been directly inspired by the resiliency the determination the creativity that we've seen gardeners exhibit through our work in northern iraq

we really wanted to bring a different message to different audience this year and so we thought chelsea might be the correct platform to do that so our garden is to highlight the way that people in iraq and in them as refugee camp are reusing materials that are reusing grey water really creating gardens out of small space and creating gardens and maybe less than ideal circumstances because over usually in media we hear about is the exponential numbers of refugees what was it like because you've been the to be in northern iraq right so the camp that we work and i'm as opened in two thousand and twelve and when the camp first opened there are over fifty thousand syrian refugees that have fled across the border into the camp primarily syrian kurds we entered the camp in two thousand and fifteen and the numbers had almost half to it was about twenty six thousand people that were still residents in the camp about six thousand six thousand so. by all accounts still a very very large population and when we first entered them as what we did is we

first started with a survey we just walked up and down some of the streets and we wanted to identify who was already gardening what were they doing and how could we support existing gardeners to capitalize on their existing knowledge base and how could we empower them to be mentors to other people in the community to put forth this message of you can actually grow things in this camp you can reuse water we can create something green and beautiful in it in a situation where you maybe wouldn't expect that so then we entered them as the can't management that we dealt with there was a wonderful woman named layla who was in charge at that time and was extremely receptive to ideas of planting trees and supporting these initiatives that would really have not only a positive environmental impact but also a positive human and social impact and it's one of the first things that they say to you when you was questions of being this is the one of the first things they miss most or leaving their homes for was that as we said these new tunisians are involved in these are the sounds of nature and they go in the trees absolutely and

so my role on the team my background is i'm a cultural anthropologist and so my role is to sit with people and to talk to them and hear their stories and figure out what works and what doesn't work and and what it is that would make their lives a bit better in this situation and from those interviews from these direct conversations people absolutely said you know if i could open my door and see a tree or see green space you know it gives me somewhere for my kids to play it gives me somewhere to sit where i can have a bit of peace for a moment it can remind me of home and gives us the space to be together as a family and i think often we over you know we take for granted how important those things are when we entered in two thousand and fifteen a lot of the tents had started being converted into breezeblock homes some more permanent structures were going up but people told us when i first got here within the first two weeks i started planting outside of my tent not just planting food. flowers because they wanted to have something that was beautiful and a lot more so it's about being able to reshape the space around you if you're in

a situation of forced migration you want to be able to create a sense of autonomy you want to have control of your environment once again and creating a garden is a really great way to do that province drazen is hostile environment policy i'll give lee britain detains people in detention centers or camps here in britain the un isn't being allowed notoriously do you think i mean some of those are bound to be people waiting for legitimate asylum claims. i mean how important do you think it would be to them this is going to would i think it would be incredibly of important and i'm from the us myself and we have the same the same sort of situations where people are detained in detention centers and i think if you're able to implement community gardening especially for people that have suffered trauma recently as many refugees that we work with have if you can create a space for women to be together or for families to be together where they can talk about shared experiences in a more culturally appropriate way it has

a huge impact on their psychosocial adjustment and on the healing process i think you should be able to bring gardens to all of the situations of people that have been forced to flee and are in a situation that's less than ideal because it does not only give you physical exercise that it's better for the environment i mean the benefits are countless but it does have that huge social and emotional impact that can really make a difference in somebody's just day to day reality why do you think that in the language used about review jesus is asylum seekers. and all of this human side to it i do the see the designer of this go to we should remember that they're ordinary people teach as well as decorations is this is a wonderful question and thank you for bringing it up and then myself working with refugees professionally and academically we constantly see that refugees are often framed in the media as victims as people that are recipients of aid and really

categorized into a lump sum of a refugee in a migrant sometimes news organizations will show you what's happening on the ground in very live footage of civil war and you know if you are watching chemical weapons attack videos these sort of things have had a lasting impact and people tend to want to engage with that but the flipside of that is that it does frame people and puts them into a particular box which is really not true to that population when i work in time as when i'm on the field i meet doctors my last translator had training as an aeronautical engineer you meet design. carpenters gardeners people from all walks of life i had a several hour long chat with a woman a couple months ago who was a beekeeper who started as a beekeeper when she got married her father gifted her a beehive and this is what she had done in damascus for several years and then she finds herself in a refugee camp you know not able to tenby ease and trying to find a different played to make a difference but it's incredibly important for people to remember that it could happen it could happen to any of any of us you know at any time and to really place

yourself into their shoes and to their contacts that people are just people and the shared humanity i think that gardening can highlight is one of the most positive impacts and i hope one of the largest messages that we're putting forward with our garden at chelsea is very broken so i get. that's it for the show will be back on monday when we go to ramallah to talk to palestine chief negotiator so you beric up until then you can talk to us westerners will be with you on monday hundred forty seven years to the day the judge of thousands were killed in the crocheting of the paris called the revolutionary government in front of. the world will come twenty eight team coverage we've signed one of the greatest killed people but there was one more question and by the way it's going to be our coach. guys i know you are nervous he's

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i. clashes erupted another mass rally against president reforms our correspondent got caught up in the violence. i just at the time even see it wasn't just coming down covering this week after. because. other top stories tonight the leaders of north korea meet to discuss the potential peace keeping the u.s. on board it's after pyongyang destroyed its only nuclear test site which we witnessed first. they've opened the window the blinds are up so probably means that we're really really close. to the saving this something fishy in

the waters off seattle in west coast america muscles have tested positive for opioids highlighting the scope of a national prescription drug prices. by their life martin to national studio here in moscow this hour kevin are we with you for this. thirty minute first than france's president mccraw may have been talking up his people focused policies in recent days but in paris itself thousands earlier rallied again against his reforms dubin ski was there as the protests became increasingly agitated. what we've seen is the protest is some of them trying to smash them the buildings along the street where they were marching the police came in straightaway we had some sort of fireworks or what looked to be like

a moment of cooked up because it definitely was but there was certainly an explosion and then we saw the police and then displacing tear gas. if you just look now you might see the police are in the distance you've got some of what are known as being the black folks here in front they are covered with their faces that's because they don't want to be identified and you might be able to see that they are throwing items to wards the police and now we have had tear gas in the noses so one police officer moving in was huge in clashes with those protesters the clashes also destroying changing the police oh i just look behind me to see a tear gas that's been spreading over the pieces they want to move the protesters away to try and stop the troops from gathering to stop the people who are throwing the police as you can see that she does not just coming down covering this we're

going to have to move back because the tear gas spreads pretty rapidly and it makes it incredibly difficult to trees. and also quite painful because it actually makes use. touches. north korea known as one of the world's most reclusive countries has opened up a little bit in recent days two dozen journalists were invited to witness the state destroyed something nuclear test site r.t. was there to our reporter joined the american track as it turned out to the remote northeast of the country. this is the restaurant car and as you can see it's dinner time we have been promised a ten course banquet also we know the part of the journalist pool from asian countries are dining in a separate car as their menu will these more traditional for them and ours was tailored more along to our tastes. this is where i will

be spending the next eleven hours or so my very own oriental express i guess so check out the room the first thing to notice about it is the windows the blinds are shot there is some sort of a seal and we're not allowed to even peek from them never mind film anything. is an air conditioner some beverages but really not much left to do but to go to bed. everybody so we just woke up it's six in the morning but check this out i just want to show you something really quickly they've opened the windows the blinds are up so we probably means that we're really really close. so we finally arrived this is the dog station we're being told a cylinder now we're up for a bus ride these are the buses that will take us through the next leg of our journey.

this is where the buses have taken us behind me is an entrance to one of the tunnels and then a few hours from now it won't exist anymore. right now we're walking to a different town all the people here reassuring us saying that there have been no radiation leaks but many journalists they think that well it's better safe than sorry as you can see some are wearing respirator mosques and some crews have taken those three meters with them to the strip which were confiscated at the customs we were also handed out these yellow safety helmets inside all tunnels more or less all of the say this one is the newest one and hasn't been used at all but still as you can see like all others it is rigged for an explosion.

throughout this trip we have been made very clear that what we've been treated to on this trip was a privilege not to many people here in north korea to experience it done of reporting from north korea to see you know you don't get pictures but very often what eventually. in cuba cross he goes trek across career by following his updates regularly on twitter we invite you to check that out if you're interested meantime the leaders of north and south korea have met for the second time in less than a month since the first historic face to face talks to bet against on saturday in the demilitarized zone separating the two countries south korea says the main focus was on the possible summit between north korea and the u.s. the korean leaders may be keeping things on track but nonetheless president trump of course mind has been changing like the wind over the last week his positive overtones at first took

a huge hit on thursday when he then abruptly pulled out of the meeting kim jong un had planned in for june the twelfth but the very next day it all changed again trump hinted that it was all potentially just maybe back on again. we'll see what our. supporters are very very very much want to do or we'd like to because i. decided to terminate the plan summit in singapore in june twelfth. everybody oh you know that better than anybody who knows what he's up to i'd suspect least of all donald trump knows what he's about i mean this is somebody who jumped into that meeting first of all quicker than a ferret supper drainpipe there is no policy behind it this is somebody who is into making headlines and appeasing the base and yesterday that needs to not go down well with his base supporters that he had pulled out of this meeting he'd always

seen it as a chance to make peace on the korean peninsula which would be world breaking history and i think you saw yesterday he saw all of that dissolving. a petition on the british government website calling for a referendum on abolishing the house of lords is now attracted over a hundred sixty thousand signatures as well over the threshold and needed for parliament to hold a debate on it and one has been chair jewel for june it's been made up of hereditary and party appointed peers and is now under fire from both sides of the commons with the government angry on one side of the lords brecht's it obstruction and all the other the labor leader wanting an elected upper chamber. it's absurd that we still have this undemocratic and occurs in the twenty first century and when labor is elected we will carry through that pledge fact jermy corbin says he's now only going to appoint labor pay is if they agree to basically vote themselves out of a job if it ever came down to

a vote but reforming britain's on the elected upper chamber is an idea that gets floated every couple of years really there are those that say that the whole institution is inherently democratic some see the lords as a mad bunch the last time they checked the average age is about sixty nine years old they get to claim expenses courtesy of the taxpayer of up to three hundred pounds a day and some say for not doing very much work but for the seven hundred years that it's been in existence the chamber of the house of lords has had its fashion of scandal sleep and silliness take a look. at all from my sincere apologies to pound this missive from my discourtesy not been in my place to answer the question on a very important matter. of course and solution you know in my place and therefore

i should be offering my resignation. i'm. going to struggle to do the world for my husband for the baroness margaret of. the overall survival. but it's interesting now is that the party in power ahead now the conservative party is also getting increasingly frustrated with the house of lords a hardline with gregg's it is in particular because the lords keep rejecting he drags it legislation that the government here is trying to push through rather embarrassed.