a very strong a position it need to leave from a socialist and purely liberal party it's there is an opposition which is represented by a force they tell you that part your problem in the form a prime minister berlusconi diaries the opposition all democratic party that by mr mudge there are rancy but i don't see yet clear a long term no t.v. governmental policy against is near chorley show led by if i stop and leak if we leave renzi to one side vitally what role does forza or italian have to play or is it just and it adequate twentieth century ideology promoter as quanta might speak of it i mean even with media sets media power in italy for their it didn't do well did it air well i think delaware

some phenomena in the recent past people where very much for straight up because of the crisis unemployment reached higher levels despite some efforts from the outgoing italian government is was that the origin of the political crisis that led to do a result of five stars and a leak those parties could be defined as past ideal logical political movements but nevertheless we do need it traditional political parties the liberals the socialist the christian democrats they could be i would say important to contribution to be a victim of it is on the new parliament and so i think at these issues there.

reason why the ruling majority will have to confront is stronger because each of otherwise there would be and bad situation to did they actually meant. only as a whole frank of achieving thank you thank you very much after the break we speak to a former purveyor of fleet street dark arts john ford and the alleged con man for the murdoch sunday times turned leveson inquiry whistleblower and aware of all the flowers gone the lemon tree trust exhibited to garden of the chills the flower show in london aiming to alleviate the effects of britain's bombing of iraq all this more coming up a pod through of going underground. these we continue to discuss only about some monitors of the maastricht. six bods and we don't we are nothing to give to the next generation our reasons for which to

be proud to be european these is the reason of us kept. twenty five years ago companies or go public as a way to expand there will be a viable corporation you have to meet certain criteria to for being a bible corporation and then you're allowed to go public now there are no such criteria so if you're essentially burning through cash and going bankrupt you're using the public marketplace to bail out a losing position. welcome back the british labor party's deputy leader tom watson is demanding the u.k. government reverse a decision of a media regulation in the light of allegations from a former rupert murdoch sunday times worker well that worker referred to in the british house of commons was john ford and he joins me. now john thanks for coming

on going underground the government says justice is already been set by the inquiry catalyzed by the murdoch media hacking of phones of a dead school child would you make of the high court decision in the bust few days to go ahead with some kind of legal challenge well not truly i'm delighted i think particularly this week especially following on from me because lake inquiry it's clear that press practice is still us that's a reference to the magister attacks yeah that we've been commemorating the dead indeed yes so showing that journalists practice is still out of control journalism is a competitive business and journalists will compete with each other to get a line this situation needs a root and branch inquiry we were promised leveson one and leveson two by lord leveson because he considered the. the job unfinished there were

a number of areas that were to be looked at particularly the relations of the media and the police and so forth and it seems strangely convenient to a government which is struggling to survive to want to kill off something which is going to be painful for them what did you do at the sunday times i was a black a black or is a person who uses social ingress so i would ring people up spin the story to illegally get information from them so i would work it was a journal step by step process generally work from an address at the lowest point from someone's gas account recovered. the very least eric stair tree telephone number that was used as a security. following that i'd then strand find out whether or not there's a direct debit recover the bank details then move on whatever i could to with those

details to open bank accounts mortgage is tax. i stole rubbish and went through the trash of ministers looking for. anything that might compromise them or their political standpoint or certainly when i was working for the sunday times i had a strong belief that i was working in the public interest exactly because i think you can surely see that journalists although i suppose you was going to say that if you wanted journalist when you were doing that work there is a public interest defense of all the things you just said if say a minister had been involved in privatization of a utility or a myriad other corruption investigations that are legitimately done in the public interest indeed indeed and this wasn't some of the work i did particularly the work on terror identifying terrorist cells in the way was clearly

in the public interest. and i have no ethical issue did the public service yes i mean you you did this kind of thing against alastair campbell and tony blair and someone suggested that kind of surveillance. in the run up to the iraq war i think it was it was newt you were doing this it was slightly on the air but yes it was in the run up to the war you know he didn't think that many people in this country would see that is if he wanted to reveal details of the kind of economy with the truth then shown to us by the iraq inquiry of a little joke should have been worthwhile there's legislation in place to govern. the use of. illegality should be. liking the dark arts but there are specific guidelines and they don't include fishing

expeditions and removing someone's. rubbish from outside their house is very clearly a fishing expedition and nothing more what happened to. the person who was telling you to go on those fishing expeditions then editor of drum with a row well what's interesting about john with a row is that following his performance and parenthesise performance at leveson he then went on to be promoted to the ship of the times the newspaper of record in the case so he got a promotion john whether it yet is and it has been one thousand nine hundred thirteen your name of course mentioned only once during the first leveson inquiry i mean he was already controversial he said that michael foot the then labor leader was a k.g.b. agent in the only time that make an out of court settlement to rupert murdoch of the not supporting the labor party in those days what was it like to work for. i

never met him i was always kept out of the what was called the plant i only ever entered the plant once operated as a free lunch so that there was credible let's see i only knew reports of him from people that i became very close to working with over the telephone but people actually in the end when the whole day with him became close friends with who. more than twice referred to him is as a sociopath was it your interpretation that when you were hacking the abbey national account of gordon brown that rupert murdoch has a lot in the press these days about the attacks on the leader of the labor party to recall what was your interpretation that in effect what you were doing was trying to destroy the political chances of gordon brown with the benefit of hindsight it's clear that the there was a political agenda to undermine gordon brown i should say that the government

scientist david kelly who somewhat suggest tried his best to avert a war that killed or wounded or displaced tens of millions of people. i don't know if you've been quoted as having qualms about what happened to him i did work on david kelly's home address utilities and so forth and it was several days later that rufford famously turned up at the kelly's room residence i think it's on the record that it was a great shock to the family. and curiously two days later he was found with his wrists slit and the inquiry seems suggest that he was incapable of cutting state with his. weak wrists a my theories about the david kelly. remain open i'm just ashamed of thought at some level i may be complicit in in his death. joe ford thank

you thank you very much. well from surveilling those who brought us the iraq war let's turn to attempts to alleviate that was catastrophic consequences through literally taking voltages advice to cultivate a garden i'm joined now by kerry perkins the director of operations and cultural anthropology at the lemon tree trust it's an organization that has put the world's worst refugee crisis center stage of the garden at this year's chelsea flower show in london thanks for going and going on to tell me about the trust and how anyone who looks at the garden to show we see everything that it really seems to be well thank you so much for having me the garden at chelsea this year sponsored by the lemon tree trust and we are an organization that supports gardening and gardening initiatives and refugee camps primarily in northern iraq so

the garden this year has been directly inspired by the resiliency the determination and the creativity that we've seen gardeners exhibit through our work in northern iraq we really wanted to bring a different message to different audience this year and so we thought chelsea might be the correct platform to do that so our garden is to highlight the way that people in iraq and in them as refugee camp are reusing materials that are reusing grey water really creating gardens out of small space and creating gardens and maybe less than ideal circumstances because over usefully in media we hear about is the exponential numbers of refugees what was it like because you've been the to be in northern iraq right so the camp that we work and has opened in two thousand and twelve and when the camp first opened there are over fifty thousand syrian refugees that had fled across the border into the camp primarily syrian kurds we entered the camp in two thousand and fifteen and the numbers had almost half to it was about twenty six thousand people that were still residents in the camp about six thousand

six thousand so. by all accounts still a very very large population and when we first entered as what we did is we first started with a survey we just walked up and down some of the streets and we wanted to identify who was already gardening what were they doing and how could we support existing gardeners to capitalize on their existing knowledge base and how could we empower them to be mentors to other people in the community to put forth this message of you can actually grow things in this camp you can reuse water we can create something green and beautiful in it in a situation where you maybe wouldn't expect that so we entered them as the can't management that we dealt with there was a wonderful woman named layla who was in charge at that time and was extremely receptive to ideas of planting trees and supporting these initiatives that would really have not only a positive environmental impact but also a positive human and social impact and it's one of the first things that they say to you when you ask questions are being viewed as the one of the first things they

miss boost or leaving their homes from was it as we said these new tunisians are involved in these are the sounds of nature and and they go in the trees absolutely and so my role on the team my background is i'm a cultural anthropologist and so my role is to sit with people and to talk to them and hear their stories and figure out what works and what doesn't work and and what it is that would make their lives a bit better in this situation and from those interviews from these direct conversations people absolutely said you know if i could open my door and see a tree or see green space you know it gives me somewhere for my kids to play it gives me somewhere to sit where i can have a bit of peace for a moment it can remind me of home and gives us the space to be together as a family and i think often we over you know we take for granted how important those things are when we entered in two thousand and fifteen a lot of the tents had started being converted into breezeblock homes some more permanent structures were going up but people told us when i first got here within the first two weeks i

started planting outside of my tent not just planting food plant. flowers because they wanted to have something that was beautiful and a lot more so it's about being able to reshape the space around you if you're in a situation of forced migration you want to be able to create a sense of autonomy you want to have control of your environment once again and creating a garden is a really great way to do that province drazen is hostile environment policy i'll give lee britain detains people in detention centers or camps here in britain the un isn't being allowed notoriously do you think i mean some of those are bound to be people waiting for legitimate asylum claims. i mean how important do you think it would be to them this is going to would i think it would be incredibly of important and i'm from the us myself and we have the same the same sort of situations where people are detained in detention centers and i think if you're able to implement community gardening especially for people that have suffered trauma recently as many refugees that we work with have if you can create

a space for women to be together or for families to be together where they can talk about shared experiences in a more culturally appropriate way it has a huge impact on their psychosocial adjustment and on the healing process i think you should be able to bring gardens to all of the situations of people that have been forced to flee and are in a situation that's less than ideal because it does not only give you physical exercise that it's better for the environment i mean the benefits are countless but it does have that huge social and emotional impact that can really make a difference in somebodies just day to day reality why do you think that in the language used about review jesus is asylum seekers. and none of this human side to it or the dole ministry the designer of the go the we should remember that they're ordinary people teach as well as decorations and so this is a wonderful question and thank you for bringing it up and then myself working with refugees professionally and academically we constantly see that refugees are often

framed in the media as victims as people that are recipients of aid and really categorized into a lump sum of a refugee in a migrant sometimes news organizations will show you what's happening on the ground in very live footage of civil war and and you know if you are watching chemical weapons attack videos these sort of things have had a lasting impact and people tend to watch engage with that but the flip side of that is that it does frame people and puts them into a particular box which is really not true to that population when i work in time as when i'm on the field i meet doctors my last translator had training as an aeronautical engineer you meet design. carpenters gardeners people from all walks of life i had a several hour long chat with a woman a couple months ago who was a beekeeper who started as a beekeeper when she got married her father gifted her a beehive and this is what she had done in damascus for several years and then she finds herself in a refugee camp you know not able to tenby ease and trying to find

a different thread to make a difference but it's incredibly important for people to remember that it could happen it could happen to any of any of us you know at any time and to really place yourself into their shoes and to their contacts that people are just people and the shared humanity i think that gardening can highlight is one of the most positive impacts and i hope one of the largest messages that we're putting forward with our garden at chelsea is carry buckets and that's it for the show will be back on monday when we go to ramallah to joke about studs chief negotiator so you barracked up until then people talk to us about so it will be with you all my big good forty seven years to the day the judge of thousands were killed in the crushing of the paris called the revolutionary government in front of. in july twenty seventh seen on an attempt to freelance journalist working with

a. militant shelling in syria. the only sacrifice quality has established a holiday such as memorial day rest of the reporters who often risk in the sake of the truth and through the news you can submit to your published works in the video well written form until june the twenty. two. but to look at that. was there.

i. started a police firing smoke grenades as clashes erupted again at another mass rally against president slave reform our correspondent was there when the violence broke . out just a plus i mean you can see just coming down covering this week. because. it's pretty rapidly. north and south korea meet to discuss the potential peace keeping the u.s. on board it's after pyongyang closed down its only nuclear test site which he witnessed. they've opened the windows the blinds are out so probably means.

really really close. seems there's something fishy in the waters off seattle in the west coast of america where mussels have tested positive for opioids in the scope and maybe of the country's prescription drugs crisis we investigate. morning live from our to international studio here in moscow this hour it's seven zero and we began for a thirty minute update first and france's president may have been talking up his people focused policies in recent days but back in paris thousands of again been rallying at the weekend against his economic reforms he was there and witnessed the latest turmoil to hit the city. we've seen is the protest is or some of them trying

to smash them the buildings along the street where they were marching the police came in straightaway we had some sort of fireworks in what looked to be like a moment of cooked up because it definitely was but there was certainly an explosion and then we saw the police then dispersing tear gas. if you just look now you might see the police are in the distance you've got some of what are known as being the black marks here in fronts they are covered with their faces that's because they don't want to be identified and might be able to see that they are throwing items to wards the police and now we have had to guess it you know so one police officer i mean injured in clashes with those protesters the case is also destroying paint the police oh i just a crime you can see tear gas that's been spreading over the places they want to move the protesters away to try and stop that group from gathering to stop the

people who is join the police as you can see that shake us now just coming down covering us we're going to have to move back because guess what it's pretty rapidly and it makes it incredibly difficult to breeze to choose and also quite painful because it actually makes use. touches it. north korea known as one of the world's most reclusive countries has opened up just a little bit in recent days two dozen journalists were invited to witness the state destroyed something nuclear test site he was there to as a reporter joined what turned out to be a marathon trek to the remote northeast of the country. this is the restaurant car and as you can see it's dinner time we have been promised a ten course banquet also we know that's the part of the journalist pool from asian countries that dining in a separate cars with them and you'll these more traditional for them and i always

was tailored more along to our tastes. this is where i will be spending the next eleven hours or so my very own oriental express i guess so check out the room the first thing to notice about it is the windows the blinds are shot there is some sort of a seal and we're not allowed to even peek from them never mind film anything. is an air conditioner some beverages but really not much left to do but to go to bed. everybody so we just woke up puts six in the morning but check this out i just want to show you something really quickly they've opened the window blinds are out still probably means we're really really close. so we finally arrived this is the dog station we're being told to sew in the now we're up for a bus ride these are the buses that will take us through the next leg of our

journey. and this is where the buses have taken us behind me is an entrance to one of the tunnels and in a few hours from now it won't exist anymore. right now we're walking to a different tunnel the people here reassuring us saying that there have been no radiation leaks but many journalists they think that well it's better safe than sorry as you can see some a wearing respirator mosques and some crews have taken those he meets his with them to the strip which were no confiscated at the customs we were also handed. these yellow safety helmets inside all tunnels more or less looked the same but this one is the newest one in hadn't been used at all but still as you can see like all others it is rigged for an explosion.

i around this trip we have been made very clear that what we've been treated to industry of was a privilege not too many people here in north korea get to experience it done of reporting from north korea for r.t. we have not been reporters doing that you can keep across he goes on going journey across korea by following his updates on twitter it lovely to check it out meantime on the political side of it the leaders of north and south korea have met for the second time in less than a month since their first historic face to face talks the matter gained on saturday this weekend in the demilitarized zone separating the two countries south korea says the main focus was the possible summit between the north korea and the u.s. the potential as leaders may be of course keeping or trying their best to keep things on track but president trumps mine's been changing like the wind in the week

just gone is positive overtones took a huge hit on thursday when he abruptly pulled out of meeting kim jong un in june but then the very next day trump hinted that maybe just maybe potentially it could be back on again. well see what our. government our very very much want to do or we'd like to because i. decided to terminate the plan summit in singapore in june twelfth. provided oh you know you know that better than anybody who knows what he's up to i'd suspect least of all donald trump knows what he's about i mean this is somebody who jumped into that meeting first of all quicker than a ferret supper drainpipe there is no policy behind it this is somebody who is into making headlines and appeasing the base and yesterday the needs to not go down well with his base supporters that he had pulled out of this meeting he'd always seen it

as a chance to make peace on the korean peninsula which would be world breaking history and i think you saw yesterday he saw all of that dissolving. a petition on the british government website calling for a referendum on abolishing the house of lords there's no track that over one hundred sixty thousand signatures therefore is well over the threshold needed for parliament to hold a debate on it and one has been shown you will for june the law is made up of hereditary and party appointed peers and is now under fire from both sides of the commons with the government of one side angry at the lords breaks the obstruction and the labor leader wanting an elected upper chamber. it's absurd that we still have this undemocratic and a career ism in the twenty first century and when labor is elected we will carry through that pledge fact jermy corbin says he's now only going to appoint labor pay is if they agree to basically vote themselves out of a job if it ever came down to

a vote but reforming britain's on the elected upper chamber is an idea that gets floated every couple of years really there are those that say that the whole institution is inherently democratic some see the lords as a a medley bunch where the last time they checked the average age is about sixty nine years old they get to claim expenses courtesy of the taxpayer of up to three hundred pounds a day and some say for not doing very much work but for the seven hundred years that it's been in existence the chamber of the house of lords has had its fashion era scandal sleep and silliness take a look. at all from my sincere apologies to this missive from my discourtesy in not being in my place to answer her question on a very important matter at the beginning of course and still if she had not been in

my place and therefore i should be awfully my resignation to the. world war two started to look pretty world might have been for the baroness margaret i believe played to be one of the only survivor. but it's interesting now is that the party in power had now the conservative party is also getting. increasingly frustrated with the house of lords a hardline brags it is in particular because the lords keep rejecting he gregg's it legislation that the government here is trying to push through rather embarrassingly to reason mayes.