i mean i listen to to. brendan and clapper basically saying you know surveilling spying on whatever word you want to use the term campaign was actually to protect them and to protect the united states why didn't they just tell the campaign hey i think we got some more reason right here you might want to be careful who you talk to i mean that would have been the right thing to do would have been a neutral thing to do if that's the case what it was because i don't believe it was because if it was that they would have done that go ahead christopher totally agree peter i mean if you look at the entire investigation of what's happened there hasn't been any sort of consistency going both sides in terms of just having a standard and sticking to it and it sort of shocked me throughout the whole soap opera of the hillary clinton e-mails that at some point there's going to be politics and there's going to be all that stuff but at some point there has to be some sort of unified standard if you're breaking the law you're breaking national security protocol you should be in trouble and if you look at i mean look at james call me i mean he's a beta male who's on his boring book tour he's a he's a clown it's about him it's not about the duty of the f.b.i.

i think there's a they really need a facelift i think the brand is really hurting after all this and just tend to agree with with your premise and your lead in. to read before we go to the break here i mean i get i've still got to stick with my narrative is that i think that sessions and and ray and others understand the implications once all of this is revealed about how the deep state colluded against the drum campaign that's going to put it's going to be an institutional crisis when this comes out go ahead charles. well look i think the institution has been in crisis for a long time you know robert mueller was in charge of the f.b.i. from september fourth two thousand and one to supplant a fourth two thousand and thirteen then followed by james comey look at the number of disasters that occurred under their respective watches they couldn't find obvious clinton foundation fraud they missed the uranium one scandal they missed the laureate scandal they missed the scandal reorganizing clint federation two thousand and nine forward you know what didn't they miss and the reality is that

technological tools of god ever stronger and we the american public the wider world need to debate about how much power security services should have protected our country and snoop inside our country and then not to take care of that those secrets are disseminated around to blackmail politicians to blackmail donors and to be used for nefarious purposes i think we need to have our eyes wide open here a major league investigation anyone no matter how powerful who broke these laws needs to be investigated ideally indicted convicted and sent away to prison ok well you know a you know i before we do the break here mother did find those seventeen russian trolls in st petersburg you know don't underestimate him gentlemen we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on donald trump's spygate.

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come. welcome back to cross like we're all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing what president trump calls spygate. ok let's go back to los angeles ha charles made a wonderful point at the end of the first half of the program here is this what they're really afraid of with a second investigation because first of all the first one with muller has not. you know if you're in washington d.c. i mean if something really important about collusion with trump and rush it would have been released a long long long time ago i mean how many leaks in there always leaks one direction have you noticed that anyway let me stay with here i mean they're afraid of this

second. investigation because it really will reveal institutional corruption and i even think and this is where i think it gets really tricky and dicey because that goes beyond party affiliation and i think that's why they're very hesitant about this because it will in a lot more people not just one side go ahead ha well let's look at who has been investigating doll trump john brennan lied under oath about spying on the senate james clapper lied under oath about the n.s.a. spying on americans james komi lied under oath about exonerating clinton before her interview peter struck in a text message said we can't take the risky use the word risk we can't take the risk of trump becoming president we have to engage in the insured and insurance policy that we spoke about a mantra mccabe's office trying to just fire a molar and tweet that text. but then let's look at andrew mccabe he lied and he lied under oath twice and lied four times this is the office of professional

responsibility at the f.b.i. so you have all of these people who are an immense positions of power lying either lying under oath or obviously part of not a conspiracy theory an actual conspiracy of individuals to achieve a political goal john brennan met with harry reid during the election to inform harry reid of alleged russian interference he didn't why didn't we inform president obama why didn't he meet president obama the n.s.a. the f.b.i. and the cia have a fifth thirty five billion dollar combined budget with for thirty five billion dollars the american people get moderate to high confidence and if you look at the d.n.i. and the h.s. reports the two intelligence reports that all of this is based on there's nothing certain to zero evidence and there's a war there are warranty disclaimers stating that even high confidence the highest level of assessment even high confidence could be wrong yeah and they actually say

in one of the reports don't take anything we say as fact so the intelligence reports are completely just basically opinion three hundred thirty five billion dollars of opinion you have the d.n.c. who never gave its computer service to the f.b.i. they hired crowd strikethrough hillary clinton purchasing through her law firm crowd strike paying crowd strike and also paying christopher steele infusion g.p.s. and glenn simpson for the still does see if anyone colluded with russia it was hillary clinton well who purchased the sealed right and it was how this russian source in the foreign country is the u.k. not russia here christopher watching the cable stations do you is it conceivable in your mind that president obama knew nothing about what his underlings were doing is that conceivable in your mind. it could be i mean i think there was a general awareness i mean certainly and he had to know sort of the obsessive instincts of hillary clinton wanted to be president i mean you know we heard the

end from election night in terms of the people that hillary clinton was most angry at was bill clinton barack obama and then donald trump it was everyone's fault but our own but we should definitely take a pause for a second to acknowledge hillary clinton's talent she can't even cheat in a way and you know i don't think that if you're cheating and you have all this behind you you do when she can even cheat and win and the whole thing about you know three million votes she won l.a. and she won new york right great job you know it was a lector of all it's hillary clinton couldn't even cheat and win that charles i want to go i want i am not going to let obama off the hook here because it's been explained to me a by a number of people that have experience in high government is that such a coordinated plan such as we're discussing right now could not have been done without the white house knowing about it so what did he know and when did he know it charles i think you know i think that's absolutely the case i mean i think

that in this narrow matter. the clintons in the obama's got together i believe in the june through november two thousand and eight timeframe they hammered out a deal the memorandum of understanding that supposedly regularized relations between the clinton foundation among the clinton foundation bill clinton the secretary of state is it is a complete piece of garbage it's not enforceable that wouldn't have gotten across the line if there were real lawyers a member of barack obama president the harvard law review hillary clinton smartest lawyer in the world you know from the very beginning this was an artifice the clintons had something on obama we don't yet know what it was and obama decided to play along he what he was in for two terms hillary was supposed to succeed him and then cover all the stuff up and so absolutely i believe certainly valerie jarrett is airy or conceivably or a i guess. she knew all about this and you know it's high time that we go back over this because the thing to remember whether you're a democrat or republican this is

a a horrible precedent that people are going to look back for decades and say you can get away this with this type of criminal behavior twenty years from now forty years from now maybe four years from now or two years from now somebody is going to try to do far worse than the clintons and the obama's did and we need to expose what happened we need to investigate indict convict and incarcerate people who did this and send them away for a long long time and take away all of their stuff you know ha i think a lot of viewers watching this program initially i think that were very partisan here and i think charles put in put it in the best possible words i mean i'm not doing this everybody knows my partisan politics but it's not being played out on this program i think what all of us are talking about is institutions and values and the rule of law and i think that's what really ties us all together i'm a conservative ha you're i know you're a progressive here but we're on the same page about. decency in public life and in officials being held accountable and this is why i think we need another

investigation to see to make sure the government officials expect particularly the unelected ones are held to account go ahead ha well absolutely and there's a famous c.n.n. clip of president obama saying it's absolutely impossible candidate trump should stop whining yeah and it's impossible that anyone could rig the election and he went on and on about how the experts and all the authorities and the most educated people would never ever stoop so low as to blame anyone for an election loss so trunk should just stop whining then we have nonstop whining continual and never ending whining from from clinton and the democratic party. they're going to lose the in the midterms there or they have like what if thirteen or fourteen point lead in the generic polls for both the house or the house in the senate they'll lose the senate or they'll the g.o.p.

will keep control of the senate and keep control of the house and they're going to limp into two thousand and twenty trump unless there's something god forbid that's just unforseen trump will easily defeat democrats in two thousand and twenty because democrats don't stand for anything they think that people care about russian interference in the election cares nobody cares holes polls are showing that people are tired of miller muller doesn't stand for anything except if he could indict people on jaywalking he would there's no collusion with russia there's no evidence of anything. the interesting aspect of all of this is that democrats have convinced themselves that for example a trump jr meeting is some kind of example of treason trump jr never got any e-mails from clinton and even if he did they would have emanated from a server that was once on encrypted outside the us government that stored special

access program intelligence and by the way anthony wiener had eighteen classified emails on his laptop and we don't even have to get into the pictures on that laptop so the issue here is the biggest cybersecurity scandal. in history you had a secretary of state hillary clinton who had special access program intelligence that was transferred somehow on to her server maybe brian pagliaro maybe just in cooper nobody knows right now but the d.o.j. is actually investing there that. was answered but a chair but a lot of people around the world know exactly what is on the had server it was like i'd open the door exam for anybody stop by ok and that's why i was i to i don't think of any kind of foreign to foreign intelligence service would have ever said anything about it i mean if you're going to keep getting this free information from the secretary of state why do you want to interrupt it let it get government no one in their right mind would have said. we have we have these e-mails nobody the

intelligence community would ever do anything like that it was a gift it just kept on giving ok christopher let me go to you because. you know the motor investigation here i mean what does he have to show to prove that it is worth over all the long time period here i mean we you know paul man of ford had nothing to do with russia papadopoulos had nothing to do with russia i mean he lied to the f.b.i. none of these things had all those seventeen kids ok they can't even speak english and the most of the ads on facebook or after the election i mean i don't understand how m.s.m. b.c. insane and keep this going i mean most of it is silly ok go ahead christopher. no i think the point was made earlier about sort of like you're dedicated to this track and you just don't know when to stop i mean you've hit the brick wall and you're just you're focused on the gas i think they've committed themselves to that narrative for so long they wouldn't know what to do it themselves that they try to

do something else and in terms of hillary clinton's excuse i mean to write a whole book about it i mean it's like what happened it's the only it's the only book or the question and the answer is on the cover you know hillary clinton has and so i thought i mean that's kind of the way i look at it but in terms of mahler i think that i think it's problematic and i think that you know there's just been a lot of lost faith i mean now they're sort of harassing essentially trump's friends i mean some of his advisors yeah they've looked into their harassing their businesses their associates i mean again it's almost like the same issue we touched on with c.n.n. you're so committed to that you don't want to turn back but i think they need to have independent counsels look at all this stuff from now on so that people can at least have some faith or ever the compass falls it'll be fair and regardless of political outcome we're almost out of time i want to ask very real quick question i think carter page is going to get a very big check one day from the u.s. government per defamation yes or no what do you agree agree or not. it's

possible you know i mean it's what do you think that maybe the mass demonstration what do you think charles garner page is going to have a payday is going to be denominated big. ok strumpets big like you look at our idea i mean that's all the time we have here many thanks my guests in washington and in new york and in los angeles and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r.t.c. the next time and remember cross talk to us. when we all make this manufacturer come sentenced to public wealth. when the ruling classes protect themselves. with the financial merry go round the certainly the one percent.

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great to have you with us this hour my name is neil harvey this is r.t. international a russian journalist and kremlin critic said to have been killed in his apartment on tuesday as turned out to be alive it was initially reported outcome. it was killed at the front door of his flat in kiev and joined me earlier in the studio with the details just this morning we saw a lot of finger pointing headlines across the media blamed russia officials quick to say that russia was the mastermind behind this operation but today's picture is now completely different there was clearly no murder as russia has been saying all along much to the condition of everybody. is alive and well but he appears to press conference together with the head of the ukrainian security services jointly they said that all this was done to foil the russian plot that was tipped off a couple of months ago that someone wanted to kill him and that somebody is now in

custody and house being arrested as well that being said though it will have to wait and see what kind of evidence if any that they have to prove that this was a prostitute or as the reaction from moscow i presume because they have been big city blamed for some involvement well russia is now in the standardly fuel ria being falsely accused of killing journalist russian foreign ministry spokeswoman as well has said that it's great news but is alive but the whole operation of some is somewhat of a propagandist nature she called the scituate situation a masquerade and we've also had some strong words from reporters without borders they called this whole stage operation pathetic and regrettable regardless of what motives kiev say they were pursuing they also say that it was very dangerous for a government to play with it but even if we look at the media reaction worldwide it simply being one of confusion let's take a look what on earth is going on fred is very much

a developing story we're obviously still getting information but it definitely is a very very bizarre one and certainly the russians will be quite angry at the fact that they've been accused of killing this man wouldn't you know the use very much still alive as we're seeing now becky. what is if choking in this will certainly only add grease to the middle of the fake news conspiracists. the was.

so back to the current unexpected situation here and but with this latest bizarre twist now we're left questioning how much credibility we can actually put in camps where it's most of us is going underground show afshin rattansi thinks that the way that some media outlets covered budget is faked death might undermine public trust in their reporting. it is at first sight bizarre i'm going to say journalists of course make mistakes i've made my share of mistakes but even in that clip from c.n.n. which is our becky anderson the anchor there doesn't respond to the news that they've been reporting all day about a russian journalist death has been nonsense by saying we have to check a bit better in the way we do our journalism and the twitter lines of all the mainstream that so that famous phrase the so-called mainstream media saying russia is to blame for this how could they do this now they'll be people questioning their media whether they're going to be told the truth but certainly today's events are

going to be they're going to be quoted for days months to come certainly during the world cup as a any stories about russian involvement in murder in provocation in killing in who knows what else moscow is about to be accused of has been a huge response to the bizarre story around on social media here are some examples . was. was.

the e.u. budget commissioner has apologized and a backlash over his recent remark that italy should take its cue from the markets when deciding whether to vote for a populist and that's my expectation is that the coming weeks will show that the markets government bonds and the economic development of italy could prove to be so drastic that this would be a personal signal for voters not to vote for populists on the left all right.

political uncertainty in italy has shocked financial markets they're worried about italy's possible exit from the euro but one of the leaders of italy's failed coalition noted that no such measures were ever in their program. or you did and if the markets are worried italy could leave the euro that's because someone has been saying this government wants out of the euro despite that never having been our plan. when the euro skeptic coalition failed to form a government its leaders blamed pressure from the e.u. on these peter oliver has more now on the role that brussels has played in italy's ongoing political crisis. on sunday night when sergio matter relative italian president vetoed the proposal of a euro skeptic for the role of economy minister he essentially scrapped a coalition between the populists of the five star movement and leader nord but what he also did was he said essentially center talian voters back to the polls he sent the markets crashing down and he sent accusations flying that the e.u.

had put a bit of pressure on him to do just that well it also saw. the e.u. budget commissioner say that this down toilet this downturn in the markets was a message to italian voters for next time that if they vote with the euro skeptics then well they will see financial troubles on the horizon well mr has rode back from those comments now but he was also criticized at the time by some of his closest allies donald the european council president sean claude younker the european commission president all saying this isn't the type of language you should be using as a member of the commission from the populist solve nordin and the five star movement world they were outraged by mr ting his comment saying that he was the type of person it viewed italy just a place to go on holiday or sensually these comments from they played right into the hands of the euro skeptics because they're now getting ready for new elections

which could come as soon as september they can now say to their voters look we said last time they were trying to take your sovereignty away look what they did when we try to put in place a government in italy so it was ultimately left to the european commission president to try and smooth things over between the populists and euro skeptics in italy and the commission in brussels it's in his fate does not lie in the hands of the financial markets regardless of which political party may be in power is. italy is a founding member of the european union that has contributed immensely to european integration the commission is ready to work with italy with responsibility and mutual respect italy deserves respect as i said those elections in italy could come as soon as september and between now one polling day we're sure to be a lot of people keeping an eye on what comments are coming out of brussels with

regards to which feat which direction it to the should proceed in the future the euro skeptic coalition failed to form a government after the italian president rejected the choice of finance minister he was seen as anti european the president then appointed a pro europe prime minister fresh elections now seem to be on the horizon but also in calls for a petition to change the constitution to have a directly elected president we spoke to any pay for the five star movement ignored . he believes that there's a problem with democracy in. there was a lie with mr warner the minister was appointed from the core lieschen of a five so moment. was going to blog blog blog for the eurozone or italy exit the european union that contract for the war norm in sort of exiting the euro zone norman swan.