health insurance provider in america and they having looked at all these exchanges participated in the obamacare exchange in america if you're poor enough you get free care you get medicaid if you're poor enough in certain states had expanded the level so medicaid you have to be under the the old medicaid you had to be under the poverty level and it was very difficult as a single guy you had to have children you had to be a woman you had to have a sick be a single mother essentially to get that free care and a lot of children a lot of elderly are on medicaid as well as medicare then they expanded it under obamacare that states couldn't raise the level of income that would qualify you above poverty level and guys could single guys could then get medicaid then if you're still earning too much you can still be subsidized so you go you have to go into the obamacare exchange and buy is supposed to be open market many of

the states only are your areas the county you might live and might only have one possibly two health insurance providers you have to go through it try to figure out be a competitive consumer drive these prices and of course the prices just go up ten twenty thirty percent a year never less proves that the pricing power is all on one side the the taxpayer continues to subsidize you there so when united health care looks at this and said united health group report says that medicaid costs forty three percent less than exchanges thus saving money for consumers and federal government publications coverage is more costly and less effective than medicaid to them first implemented in two thousand and fourteen as a cornerstone of the affordable care act public exchanges were envisioned as a new health insurance marketplace for millions of uninsured americans get shot for compare and purchase an affordable stable health coverage the new exchanges sought to provide subsidized coverage to americans who are not eligible for medicaid well

in fact according to united health and with a look at it. and yet tax hers won't vote for this because it's socialism medicaid cost the government you the taxpayer forty three percent less than forcing those people onto a stupid exchange. it costs you way more cost you thousands of dollars more per year but because you're a fundamentalist and say well that's capitalism that's free market competition to force them into some exchanges with only has one health care provider but that's capitalism well let me say something maybe a model a controversial ok you know people are looked at because poverty rates are going up in america mortality rates are increasing mortality rates are increasing as allegedly more people are getting health insurance life expectancy is going down so america is at a huge health crisis despite the unbelievable amount of money being dumped into this wasteland and i think that this is contributing a lot toward an epidemic of violence in america now i recently saw

some videos from a famous clinical psychologist jordan peterson who likes to point to the inability of young men to pair off and have a fulfilling relationship in this world as contributing cells are called yes there are rich. guys who can involuntarily so they sell a bit so they they kill people have already demonstrated that in my view i think the self crisis is more it is to blame for the rise in violence ok well we are end of empire days and end of empire days see a bread and circuses and i want to show another chart that again this is provided by united health group the largest health insurance group in america and they're the ones that saying doa put people on medicaid because this is stupid to have these exchanges because those public exchanges were meant to according to the c.b.s.

show have twenty five million people on them by now but according to facts in fact they have. ten million people if you look at this this is the health coverage in the us twenty seventeen employer sponsored insurance provides insurance for one hundred seventy four million americans medicaid seventy five million medicare fifty eight million and the public exchange ten million and that i think that is like the sort of you know the coliseum the the gladiator sort of games is all of those ten million eighty percent receive subsidies from the taxpayer is two million people that are forced on to these gory exchanges where they're getting twenty thirty forty percent increases annually and they have to fend for themselves and the like provides amusement to people like these in cells who are angry because they can't find a mate. i think there's a correlation there as i pointed out but clearly the situation is leading toward a complete societal breakdown. well perhaps but nevertheless i'm just showing you

that this is a scandal and one americans are going to pay seven hundred four billion dollars for this scam over the next decade well i guess it's back to france. well perhaps you know that's fact based and we belive in a fact based world we live in a polarized emotion based crucible of nonsense conspiracy nonsense well we've got to take a break don't go away much more coming your way. state it. the american political soap opera widely known as russia gate appears to have no wind well no evidence has been revealed to trump campaign colluded with russia there is mounting evidence the intelligence community or should i say the deep state monitored or even spied on trumped world. and.

europe must be much stronger in making the decision at twenty eight can we around the table agree on tougher measures on these or china always or us in the end of the unfortunately is the answer to that so far is not the really europe is being too weak and that's why we end up being beaten on the head some time by the chinese some time by the american and that got to stop. welcome back to the kaiser report imus keyser time now to turn to seth shapiro of alpha network seth welcome to the program thank you max big fan all right let's get right into it you say the media business is fundamentally broken how so and what do

you do in a fiction over that alpha networks if you think about the major areas of the media business that we've kind of brought up with for a while cable made sense before the internet you had these hundreds of channels but at that point there was no broadband so there was nothing else there was no other game in town so economy the economics as doesn't make sense anymore people pay for hundreds of networks they watch maybe a dozen of them you tube seem like it would be a solution but as you know like most content creators can't make a living there three percent of you tube is make above the poverty line so that's not like you know hot house success as a business model price for most of them and news is the same stories over and over for an audience largely people what is alpha networks so we're doing is we're building a netflix like platform powered by connected to a block chain and we're all about finding new authentic voices and then finding ways to take the audiences from some of those people cross-pollinate them to other audiences and build new new content brand i let me play the role of jimmy song for a moment ok why block chain what does that add to your business because the part of

the problem with traditional media is you have these huge budgets for movies and things that are kind of completely based on projections but they somebody's always disappointed so you have big budgets for a t.v. show on the talent makes this massive amount of money and then if it fails the studio is upset because they spent all this money and it's a loss if the talent hits it out of the park then they feel like they got under compensated so if you can actually create a model where you're looking at the actual consumption and pay people for the views that they actually generated that's kind of a i think a big deal it's the it's is different in a way from where we are now as cable. from broadcast different economics you're trying to help you're putting the distributor and the talent on the same side of the table because we both make money as you are you become more successful we both make more money right so the ad revenues are distributed to the consumer direct as well as to there is a can yes right it's a split split yes all right so now there's competition in this space for sure ok or

not the first of the rodeo now that's true they're right there along the line of bloody bodies but what differentiates often outworks we're doing this with a really sophisticated series of a p i's not to get too boring and we're doing with watson with i.b.m. so we're using all the stack that they've been building for a long time to kind of create more intelligent networks and we're building from the ground up the tech to do this so if you add to our system your data is completely private we don't know anything about that we don't know that you're max but we're following everything that you watch more constantly looking for patterns that are emerging so for example kind of a crude analogy is brazil change their t.v. last like six years ago when i was over there and they were doing more kind of local brazilian content less western kind of global content and it turned out there was this interesting overlap between brazilian tele novellas and korean soap operas so the two countries had started talking about formats and there was a sort of weird completely non hollywood exchange of creative between brazil and

korea and the time it got to be cool to develop more of that more out of brazil the show they actually turn the sound down because i perceive max and stacey as a telling novella right right they could just add their own voices they just said they just to fill in the gaps doesn't matter they can i can record that in air because yeah for a nominal fee so you were hollywood for twenty years what did you do there still ab so i got to hollywood from new york from here about the time that the web was starting and there was almost nobody then who could code so i was a programmer and i've been a premier i'm a geek yeah how actually shocking to look at me yeah i don't get. desperation i was a music producer here at a record label coming at n.y.u. and i was saying all the money to all right good were prior there on the same time yeah it's a good school eighty three i think it's still around yeah the n.y.u. they're real estate property developer and it's right out of the education business it's a much better business education's a horrible business all right so let's move on the me to move it was just taken

down some of the most powerful men in hollywood of the past decade miramax was a huge player and they produced like you know three hundred a movie titles come out here in hollywood there are later thirty of them huge prestige oscar winning case now they're gone basically there now is that change the industry no i don't think so i mean they're going to be more people like that will be more outings because it's been kind of a dirty secret for a long time but i don't know that it fundamentally changes the industry i hopefully it sensitizes people to the fact that not everything is how it appears but i my friend alec baldwin who is trying to report me to the f.b.i. last year is doing a deal with a ton of a similar platform where they're raising money via a blocked chain enable trip what's a girl say has like a three ok a list or a name ok p.-p. pop pop pop he is out there like that ok so are they are the. talents open to the managers and the agents that william morris is if you come to

them and say hey i've got a block chain and able distribution platform that's going to give everyone a more equitable distribution all the success that's going on here what's their view of things thrive they're kind of more than ever in the private equity business because the old business that ca and morris and those guys were in was. representing huge movie stars that got you know north of twenty million dollar deals that's a harder business now the movie business isn't what it was or they did t.v. packaging so now increasingly they're trying to finance stuff and take equity instanced and other things right go out so i think probably there will be more of them trying to matchmake between tech companies and. because that's a growing business and well look at this to get more into the business model here so alpha networks it's a platform yeah ok like a netflix but you create you do you create content yeah we got great content with radical media it was a major production company here in new york and l.a. oh or did they do that david letterman thing they do they do they do the letterman

show they've got about four shows on netflix they do everybody from lady gaga to american expand on excess to access to platforms you know well we're building it now but you'll access it on the web on a browser or via an app same way you would have access netflix is going to be in up by down the wire and now i'm getting a slice of the pie yes you are ok as i said this is a bit of a crowded space and like ok let me ask you this but here's a look really be the bad guy right you all right ok ok amazon has got a frickin here its platform and then they finance a ton of content every year now right and so why couldn't they put you guys out of business didn't intermedia you guys by simply offering a cryptic point well we know those guys and their shows that they're generally going to do are going to be big budget like licensing the old h.b.o. back catalog for two billion are doing original production data by my show i can't talk about that i owe a lot we're going to migrate to some different arcs as a group we're going to go to america will it be considerable yet more than just the

dollars it would be over for because you know we only work here for a vodka that's all we get so let me consult my attorney but i think we can go to another system so what if i could just ask you know nuts that's it we'll throw in will throw an eggnog and mango not i'm i'm over that now cable news viewer numbers are soaring with thirty million dollars because of the theater right because of the spectacle of you know it's trump how did rachel maddow go from being a reasonable voice of the left to becoming an alex jones like foaming rabid psychopath kind of notice that he used to be relatively calm right now probably because. the other side's in power even a good bit over to mark's for now it's become a partisan hack yeah i think because that would you mind it when i just you know pick pick fights with my competition at the expense of the owner i want more i don't know please kids like all right so innocent bases because conspiracy theories and ok so the point is though that the consumer is left

a bit adrift because they are tuning in to cable news and their news is it's all basically polemicists that's right there's no debate we were talking about william buckley earlier in this debate with the gore of the doll during the nine hundred sixty eight presidential as eventually action that opened the way toward an interesting debate format in american william buckley went on to host fire i and other shows and there was intelligent debate but then i guess under reagan they passed the fairness and media law which opened the way toward the rush limbaugh those who are just totally partisan and you are not required by law to have an opposing viewpoint right and so you're in a better this industry did that what did that do it seems my point being that it open the way to this hyper partisanship polemicist fox news drivel but what is your view what you think you're exactly right so when you want to figure out how an industry works follow the money now you've got more and more outlets that are preaching to the converted telling people what they already want to hear that are

paid for by brands that want to reach that particular demo so a lot of that because we're doing a right when you talk about these hot topic issues political issues everyone knows the. words and the buzzwords and they they're no one ever has a meaningful insight into the debate anymore they just know the words and they spew them out you they vomit the words out you you mentioned hillary clinton they'll they'll v.l. still spit out depending on their party affiliation a few words and then if that doesn't work that you get into a fight you get over a brawl right like there's no dialogue at all anymore in media in the news even the new i mean there. times was always slightly you know biased but now it's like a rip roaring frank and propaganda yeah and t.v. used to kind of be a little bit more open and more theatrical like return about before like john lennon hosted the mike douglas show right back then you had people mixing it up something like we're going to jump on dick cavett they go right exactly right you said you don't see that type of thing now tom slater with the last of the great

late night talk show polymaths that's right now no more of that saturday night live and we'll have about thirty seconds they seem to have ignored comedy. you're racially they're just going with hyper partisanship yeah and pull you out of right right there's no there's no given it it's just the same banging on the guy in the white house every week right so you know there's no surprises there it's just it's just it'll come back and i saw alpha networks as the platform. it sounds like you're entering a world of pain with this project and to the church i mean you're competing with some heavyweights in hollywood. take people out the stretcher if you cut into william morris as action or whatever i mean this is a cut throat business hollywood you know where you would like i don't gosh course am i you are yes all right i take my mug like the waiter all right thank you this is the one that's going to survive in what twenty seven bucks oh i'm worth twenty seven bucks so you know they're shrewd that's right well thanks for being on kaiser mort banks present to be on alpha network oh hey that's going to do for this

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of the world of politics sport this list i'm show business i'll see you then. hello and welcome to worlds apart the russians have long maintained that politics is a continuation of a kind of mix by other means and vice versa but many in europe dismiss the u.s. q called c.n.n. not that the e.u. itself comes face to face but the bare knuckle approach of don't trump is there still even the pretense of keeping money making and politics after a while to discuss that i'm now joined by peter lewis former french secretary of

state for foreign trade it's a live issue it's a great pleasure talking to you thank you very much for your time here recently gave an interview suggesting that europe needs to stand up to what you call your us legal imperialism the brussels need to make sure that washington respects said especially when it comes to the threat of terrorism sanctions isn't that's you legal too late to be asking for it now. terry if it is a different story terry is linked to w t o and the procedure and the beauty you with an organization built to reduce terror and you believe that we are trying to respect that procedure. you can raise terrorist and then we can go to w t o and sue can set them a procedure the cio to handle terrorists he's enjoying his disagreeable maybe to retaliation and that's what people call trade wars what's you with a trump is

a style you know it's like he announces like you it's t.v. show is senior reality it's a new way of doing diplomacy if i may say so no the real issue i mean it's unpleasant it's difficult but it can be have all. the central issues that worries me. the most in recent years in the u.s. approach. to international relations in general not just to trade. they have begun to use the mystic legislation as a way to poor urse of the conflict and their economic advantages mr lewis you know you've been making that point. for quite some time and i think many in your see as the only problem whereas you have specifically pointed out that the united states have been in applying its laws xor territorially for over forty years why do you

think has it taken so long for the europeans to wake up to this practice because they're only starting to noticing it now when it affects them directly well forty years ago we reacted. when there was a gas pipeline issue and reagan try to stop us and stop germany in particular but europe to build this pipeline was russian soviet union at the time saying that it was a security risk to american national security. we stopped and we took legislation which made it a crime for penalties for french or european companies to accept american legislation and to accept being under american law and i think there was a similar reaction to the hounds burton act. so we use this so-called blocking statute in one thousand nine hundred six here again to start again this time on

cuba on libya and iran. on cuba there was blocking legislation taken by mexico canada and the e.u. took a deal. with a blocking statute not only that we went to the geo and opened a complaint against the u.s. and not only that we put together a list of american companies to be the target of mirror sanctions and believe it don't move it stop and we got an exemption and we traded with cuba all these years we didn't do that for iran and libya and that's why we have this problem today but back in ninety ninety five and you know later part of it in ninety six the station was a little bit different because that act was pushed forth by the you republicans president bill clinton was against it he ended up signing a waiver against that law do you think you know the political composition actually

compares baghdad and the american president wasn't so sad on you know implementing his vision if i put it politely. yes and no it's more complicated than that because the tendency to use american law is not just on sanction they go and say. the moment you start a business in the u.s. where you employ an american citizen or a user the other you have to comply with american law and what they do is they gather information through their intelligence. and then they drive. legal suit on companies that are targeted and sometime you end up with the company's. collapse and the voyage which happened to do a stunning front which is a key energy company and i have been signaling this in the french parliament three

years ago two years ago i think that we are dealing with this friend of the us using the internal law as. i call it wreck a deployment in the old days it was called gunboat diplomacy these things like it because each time they can use their legislation to promote their strategy or political interests all in the name of course well good cause fighting corruption fighting absolutely but i mean mr lish i think you're speaking. in a to the heart of. the difference between the e.u. and russia when it comes to the united states because the europeans still see donald trump as as the main problem whereas russians see the entire international system is flawed because it allows one country the rights and the privileges of not just a one a lateral without an afrikaans ability and what i was going to ask not just one country say me the chinese are doing the same in their own way so the problem is

that we see the system unraveling the chinese are doing their ways in america in their ways of problem is europe europe must be much stronger in making the decision it's not a question of whether the president agree or not agree with the waiver is at twenty eight can we around the table agree tough measures on these or china or the u.s. and they're unfortunately the answer to that so far is not really europe has been too weak and that's why we end up being beaten on the head sometimes by the chain. sometimes the american and that stuff otherwise we're going to lose european voters psychology also comes into play here and to some extent it was easier to accept that kind of system when it was represented by the charming smile of barack obama as opposed to you know being represented by the obvious rudeness of donald trump you're right you're right and what they of started in shown is that this is not

does not date from chrome trump is sort of more extreme and spectacular and so on but you know have been. dozens of companies that have been fined in europe and france and germany and all and mostly european companies very few chinese. no indian. very few american targeting a european competitor and doing it in a systematic fashion as soon as you don't comply and so you get punished and that has to do with. banks insurance companies car companies twenty six billion dollars were taken out of european pockets and put in u.s. treasury just in a series of of these of legal decision which show no really legal decision because at the same time zone no judgment i mean companies are not judge and they are asked

to confess going back to your idea of europe having to grow a spine this is essentially what you're calling for always is going to disappear it is very difficult to do that even on a minor issue but what we have or rather you have at stake right now is the access the european access to the american market we're talking about hundreds of billions of dollars is that is that really the worry be a starting point to sort of pick up the bottom with the united states now because. imagine we could see access to the u.s. in the european market would you sing would have the need the european money they need it badly we are the new thing it's really europe. look do you think it's realistic for the us to do it to do to us he i mean they may have gotten right were they doing their luxury think it's realistic not to react and it's also not very realistic because you're having a reaction for four years if we don't react if we don't react we're going to lose

the battle for the hearts and minds of our voters tell me why people would believe in europe if we can see so much if any french company or european company asked to go to washington with a lawyer as a little hat and so on and please can they do business can you tell me if i can do business here or there this is not acceptable on a point of view i am a goal is i believe in national sovereignty i believe that europe is it makes me stronger that's why i mean europe but if europe organized big sort of a collective collapse because this is what's happening nobody is making decision this moment we are weak on many fronts and when they say to us by the way this will go also for chinese companies or russian called.