tangible results and that wouldn't be a surprise the united states and north korea had decades of diplomacy in fits and starts has been very difficult but the president has sort of jumped into this quickly without a real plan and we're seeing the hazards of that approach right now before our eyes the intel community has reportedly cautioned the white house that a more realistic objectives. the convincing him to want back recent progress on the country's nuclear weapons program. what do you expect that's right kim has in many ways the upper hand in these negotiations he has a nuclear arsenal he has the methods in the means to deliver warheads and has tested missiles that could carry such warheads to japan to south korea potentially to the united states so to get him to give those up to dismantle them verifiably that's a very tall order it's not going to happen in one single meeting and it's not going

to come at a keep price either so the question for united states is what are we in our eyes willing to give at the table what kinds of security guarantees weight will we maybe potentially offer is there an economic incentive package that he wants he may not even want that so there's a lot of discussion i don't believe we should judge this summit on whether or not everything is dissolved at once but we should judge it about whether it's a serious process that's beginning if this summit does take place this will take time no president has gotten this far with north korea so what's your assessment of the handling so far negotiations with north korea it is a plus so far. it is a plus sort of and i caution it because president trump really needs to make sure that he doesn't walk into a summit where he then walks out of it and there's no follow on and there's no diplomatic next day that could be a disaster so he's heading the united states into

a diplomatic process which is something that i hear on this show with you we've discussed this i am a strong advocate for a diplomatic route here because there is no military option and we don't want to have north korea threatening its neighbors or us so it's good that the president is doing this but he needs to make sure that he lays in motion a plan and a process for the the people who. do these kinds of negotiations to really dig into the weeds the danger the risk here is that he will come out of the summit with some kind of general if it does take place with some kind of general agreement of principles with kim and the devil is really in the details when it comes to nuclear weapons we need to have our experts engaging thoroughly with north korea to really have confidence that they will give up their nuclear program in a way that is creating a more peaceful east asia i know the president pretty well he does not like details he likes the overall so he's going to want to say if there is a summit we come back great look what they whatever they gave us they're going to

not produce anything for a week right look at this who who wins. if he doesn't interest if he's not interested in details and there's not they want to have details before the summit where is all this going well i think the president has established he's willing to take risks that he's willing to throw a curve ball picture is to effect a change of behavior but that that approach has to be calibrated if there's a way to keep that mentality in this summit if it does take place again always couched in that way but if he's able to keep that mentality to say i'm willing to sign up to principles but we're not done and we have to send our people to discuss this further that will be an effective outcome in a way he's reverse engineering the diplomacy right now typically american diplomats and our intelligence support network and the military support of those diplomats

they engage in negotiations when it comes to arms control at a working level lower level they build the plans together they know that the principals the president support it but they they tend to want to deliver a package so that the president can sign off on it and get the glory well this is in reverse now and now the president has put himself on the spot how is he going to turn this around reverse engineer handed off to his experts and still maintain a foot in the game so that he can claim victory at the appropriate time kim jong un it's already a victory and he's put it on the world stage for many critics of diplomacy this is their nightmare scenario where kim and president trump would be sitting across from each other as equals kim has developed a nuclear program he's advanced it without real control where where sanctions and other kinds of pressure of not stop that program so for him this would be a vindication of his leadership it may potentially though give him an opportunity

to make concessions that we could live with too but yes certainly for kim he really is setting the table on this diplomacy as well as the south korean president moon who has been masterful at pulling together these two very mercurial leaders to get to this point where our allies saying. well right now south korea is a big advocate for this process they do want to see a diplomatic program take hold between the u.s. and north korea because if there's no diplomacy and there's military action south korea loses japan is much more skeptical much more concerned china of course in the in the background we are trying to continually push and nudge it's very interesting though to see how the u.s. and china on our broader relationship how that will impact these negotiations so we're going to have to handle this not just us in north korea but as you point out u.s. and our allies our allies aren't going to be comfortable with an outcome that leaves a strong nuclear program in kim's hands and the u.s.

pulling back that will be very dangerous for our allies so they're going to put pressure on us to get more at the table so finally what you got we're going to have a summit on june twelfth. my gut is that we will have a summit and it will be at a very high level in terms of language and my hope is that secretary of state pompei o. takes control of this process and begins to really mainstream it into diplomatic programs and diplomatic negotiations with clear deliverables on the way so that we can actually have a legitimate negotiation and get real results i don't believe that the summit will produce the real results but i do think it could set the stage for diplomacy seoul as always thanks for your time today thank you larry oh there's a lot of attention being paid to the. problems of the middle east continue to compound few reporters know the ins and outs of the complicated relationships between countries in that trouble reason and the impact policies of western

countries can have on any chance of a lasting peace they're like michael ware michael steele award winning journalist who's reported for time and c.n.n. we've shared many moments on the end together he was one of the few western journalists to be live full time in iraq during that war and it's a pleasure to have him back in studio with me michael welcome aboard good i larry thanks for having me most were great days when they michael well you were everywhere you cried is one word for them larry but there were extraordinary days. i remember i throw to you and at the bombs always counted on about growers always for dramatic effect as you can imagine but yes i mean i've always found that if you want to get to any sort of small skerrick or crown of the truth and you really have to get to where the truth happens foreign correspondents are unique breed and you're stand out among them ok last month during a meeting with nigeria's president donald trump said we have very much decimated

isis this follows his december declaration that the us military had knocked the hell out of the islamic state you've witnessed the birth of isis or syria actions at well. over one very shallow level that statement is correct in the sense that yes we've knocked them out. where it's incorrect isn't what we haven't yet done we have removed their physical state their protein nice and state that they created when i just recount the borders of the middle east and redrew them right there under the noses of the international community and we're still feeling the aftershocks of that we have removed that we've destroyed that however the organization it still still remains robust and as we're learning from a lot of the intelligence material it's being hoovered up from their former so it's prisoners who are being interrogated in iraq and elsewhere is that these gongs were

prepared to go back on the ground they were prepared for the loss. there is there so i become a fight that remains very strong and then there are all the offshoots around the world we're seeing a rise up in southeast asia certainly in sub-saharan africa and northern africa where saying an active out of no one in africa into europe and beyond so let us don't underestimate the threat of the islamic law. and i were always going to and you know water that i knew that we're going to just like and some of bin laden did before them now we look back now and i sound bin ladden and he seems quite conservative compared to the islamic state we know now led by an iraqi and created by giordani and. bin ladin you after september eleventh that the americans would come that entire organization prepared to go back underground and back into

the hills and we still see them out there to die what do you do about it is going to keep following the following now that when i say i thought in the far right i mean that's in the broadest sense of the word just as a sense is jihad a holy war is not strictly a time does not strict a time just a military action we need to fight the fight of ideas we need to fart. we need to fight the inequalities of of development and these issues of local governance and all these things that are giving these people legitimate grievances not to like us perhaps by default through the governments that we support in their countries but ultimately we'll defeat rabid forms of militant islam when we can help foster a better solution and where it's a long generation of you guys as leaders still at large right. yes there's conflicting reports and just thought we sort of found a car we back here in the american war in iraq this main many reports of his

death his death. will the impact of his death be his death will be pursued r.c. the kind of impact that we saw with the founder when he was killed by the americans in june two thousand and six and the others who have succeeded him in the interim nothing it always hurts to lose a charismatic leader it always hurts to leave the to lose a very important symbolic identity but these organizations are akin to harkonnen are not built for loss coming from the iraqi insurgents themselves who were not islamic militants to the islamic militants in the war one of the signature things about their capacity to winds that war i have all the years does he is was it's ability to their ability to regenerate. the sorry my low low right after the break mate mr what their goal is more politicking after this.

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to. the top. you never know what's around the corner you never know what's in the pub you can walk into excitement it's that not knowing that's where the adrenaline in much comes from. it isn't going to finish him and extreme through all. the violence is a part and it's almost a schizophrenia. where you can do all these things and behave badly. important people of course colorful all. the more so for the last one. hundred

million infirmed. role. in the start. of a broader where no five figure out really beautiful down down with. meaning in these amazing beast if you don't involves it's constantly evolving and. welcome back to politicking i'm talking with michael ware the award winning journalist who's reported for time and c.n.n. will fight in some of the best coverage of the war in iraq for many years he joins me here in studio ok what's their goal isis take over the world what's the goal well the ads as i stated very clearly that they had goal from the outset is to create this islamic caliphate and that accords to the vision that i have now.

as being to arguments in the skills of holy war about how to do this one is to attack the near enemy which is like all governments who are propped up by the americans or somebody else the other is so to. the far enemy which is you know wanted states such as on no eleven when they are saying them focusing back on the need enemy. for one brief shining moment i would argue they created their islamic caliphate. so for them in terms of their propaganda narrative that could become a showing bacon but you know. the islamic state is going to continue and it's going to be something we're going to have to deal with and our western liberal societies are going to have our values challenged as i constantly threaten us at home and abroad as we have to come to an agreement where we will a great a compromise some of our civil liberties in return for security and the ability to strike back at these people as the effect of us leaving the room and. that's it you

should've asked me that first would probably still be talking as well and. look the short answer is that we're going to know what the real full impact of tearing at the lamp is going to be for a little while yet we're already starting to see the signs one thing i can tell you it has done is help russia help russia unknown slip. there's a very there i've heard many expressed within the american national security. community that in many ways you know a lot of mia putin is almost at the point where he's running the iranian guy made you know turn iranian activities on and off using his leaves of power be it technology weapons economy. where he can turn them on or off to suit his russian benefits whether it's in the gods or gunning a concession from someone in europe or whether it's to further push the boundaries

of our interests and weigh the exactly mate so in many ways you know from isis to iran to what's happening right now in iraq in saudi arabia and beyond all fits into this broader picture now russia dominance there but let's not forget china what i think we're seeing is. a return of the wrong size of great power politics. that's and it's embodied in something like let me put in this let me put it and you can basically sum up his foreign policy in two words stop me stop me he will keep going until we stop his you the most powerful figure in the world he's one of the magician pain down under right hand i mean he's now been working to the chinese constitution where his words and thought now power officially with that of males who don't will and unlawful enemy a person he is by the head of the power he's the president of the country and he's the head of the military all the armed forces so these are great men of history

wrong icing and they're applying power politics main wall we have the west since world war two particularly have been there punching a why. battling for an international order governed by rules but trump says america first where that doesn't work where does trump stand in this i don't think trump is where he stands. i think like woold leaders around the planet and their advisors like people in the white house and selfish to be discussing a policy or considering a policy here one minute and the president on his side saying tweets about it making a decision without having it consulted so it's hard to divine i think it's happening on the run the foreign policy ideas i like many other things and i have never met the president but i think he's going by god and by instinct and doesn't that shake up the russians and the chinese how do you deal with this guy again it's

a double edged sword that argument. because on the one argument. we have the rule of the king and he is unpredictable and no one knows what he's going to do next. his irrationality or example dicked ability then becomes useful to apply all one could i do you saying that we can join one. however the other argument is that the international system is far bigger than just one. mad prince. or one one errant king the international order will continue so yes there may be some benefit to be gang in terms of of global leverage the united states in capitalizing on some of the coyotes and the confusion the present trump might cause but don't forget it we're not the only players in the gang the other players are counting on regardless. and their policy is a much clearer and more forthright and now sound right now who has more influence

in the middle east moscow or washington but am moscow i would think. but again that's a matter of the by about. those still wild variables but. there is a there is an american vacuum in the middle east of iran creation and there is absolutely no question russia has stepped in to fill that vacuum now how hell bent strategically rusher is on maintaining him norma's footprint in the middle a stunning time will tell obviously this results isn't an bluewater ports in the mediterranean and also a host of other considerations for them their. part you know one thing that i've done is taken the tempest that we created in the middle east and played it to most guys advantage that on our official. does he have more more influence

right now i think he's got the momentum but institutionally over the long term you would have to wind. you know what it strikes as a representative of the broader western hemisphere or the western world would have to have a long time with your assessment of trans national security team particularly john bolton who i know a long time and he's a. he's all or call oh yeah yeah and look we need hawks trust me. and we shouldn't shy away from the fact that we are in the killing business that's fison. foreign policy at its cutting edge in the age that we're now and rarely ses . is the killing business and you know that's an extension of policy is classified says but. i don't want to hawk what troubles me or gives me pause from my mind so we say further our true believers audi logs.

don't move i trouble me of any calling but i demonstrate it be they were lead spades i call meanest anything you can nine now what i'm concerned about is that you know essentially that this current administration by and large operates with mandarin. in terms of the stall of leadership. and yesterday's been a broader circle of of very seasoned and expert advisors around the president but i have a tolerance for with trish and we've seen many of them drop off but we're still left with defense secretary madness and secretary of state un ambassador. but the other reports that your point of john bolton gives me is that perhaps the president is appointing someone who's going to be a knightly agreeing far too much with him my concern is in the stall of the mandarin is that having having differing views around him is not necessarily what

he's looking for because you can be loyal and still have a countering point of yours you've covered war for years we're told has it taken and you look like any like anyone who's been there was you know a soldier sailor air force woman rain. and then comes with a cost and what was your cost wow lago all the kids you know. our wars our morning wars and. the wiat myself. but that's not necessarily a bad thing i mean it's taken me a long time to come home but i'm now firmly behind and in many ways i think i've said it before here but you know i'm coming can often be more dangerous than the war itself one trying to get traction back here i mean you have to realize you know whatever that war whatever the purpose wherever the plies is an extraordinary human event full of hora and unimaginable things and yet such beauty and love because i

saw it as a fighting for each other. so there's a lot to process and you're behind you didn't go home to australia though you came to the united well i did go higher my made a film which is part of market sauces which continues and will continue i mean you know i suspect it all be devolving the daemon's and the wonders of my wars to the dial i go on every all victims us that tells us that shakespeare tells us that. that's a privileged does a long close bond and. bill begs the great journalist of the miami news said the role of a foreign correspondent sit by the side of the battle and tell you what's happening in the battle another view is the american for strong foreign correspondent should be pro-american and he should view the battle from the american standpoint the

russian for cause where you stand well. for me it's an article of faith and usually in war because as an old parts of the human experience in war the journalism is hard and it's at its greatest as the stakes are so much how are you telling such extraordinary stories often for people who would have no other voice spit soldiers away or civilians. so these many times correspondent as i said now the correspondent who just my time's a pro-american law and i work for the military all day what these guys are these private security firms all all media organizations and i said republic and around feeds and there's nothing wrong with that but that's not a journalist's job is to promote one law and our job is to find the story as best we can and as well as we can see it and let the chips fall where they might and you can do that from the pool or you can do it from the side of the battle or you can do it from being in a first time to drop the first rampage and charging to the fair straight to the

scene want to take a second action of time because i have to. there's a growing from a foreign correspondent for a.b.c. once admitted to me on c.n.n. that the saddest moment of his life he was doing a report from vietnam. and there was a soldier behind him dying wounded and dying. and he finished his report before helping him and he never forgot that yeah you have anything like that. i kept i filmed one of the online. where an american unit i was with had shot and wounded in iraq and we all sat around for twenty or thirty minutes often enjoying rolling though i nor filmed at all. which went into a film of the dead so that was. the reason i sought out examples because that's in the film and the reason that's in the film is because that's the one that was on

camera there was lots of others might get abysmal around brother thank every been anyone like you. michael well we thank you for joining us on this edition of politicking of the show remember you can join the conversation on my facebook page or tweet me at kings things and don't forget to use the politicking hash tag and that's all for this edition of politicking. meaning.

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as the leader of north korea plays host to russia's foreign minister r.t. is the only international channel load of follow the delegation to kim jong un's palace. i can barely remember being given such access at other locations around the world and given the fact that we're inside the residence of the north korean leader kim jong un whom problem absolutely shocked. despite the prospect of a trade war the u.s. goes ahead it imposes hefty tariffs on steel imports from the you and other trading partners reaction to that this morning. the u.n. raises the alarm over an escalation of fighting in the libyan city of durban or has the french president pushes for talks between willing functions inside libya. and its least two main tourist.