agents it might get the communist out of you and then you say it's how you were fascists. they didn't even get that no no historical understanding no not really and the books were really wrong and the books that they taught with and you still do. i didn't put this in the book or it got cut but i was very influenced by malcolm x. when i was eleven and i was your average eleven year old reading material but i was reading the autobiography of malcolm x. and he said something that really stuck with me at that time when i'd come to america and he said why would you let your enemies teach your children. and not just kind of really stuck with me in terms of realising i didn't want their information in my head i didn't want the propaganda in my head i'll take what i want leave the rest and there was a powerful influence it was probably well malcolm x. very known for by any means necessary some that kind of power in any kind of move of a justice if you interact influenced me incredibly. they i mean this is the story of

the autobiographical part of the story quite bizarre the story where not to being a drug addict a drug addict you end up in rehab you just. i mean stepdad you know really at the end of the day. but you're taught about drugs rehab i taught i learned a lot about drugs rehab i learned about what they do how much street value was what they look like where the best areas are to procure them and i thought it was the most bizarre form of teaching and obviously they want to repeat customers in this particular rehabilitation center so i chose to leave it because drugs rife in. in hollywood as well where would one would say they're right for the much everywhere but in hollywood i'm sure yes and the meanness you saw in the streets after that when you were homeless and so when you say in terms of meanness it was worse amongst the three thousand dollars it's far worse there was a lot more kindness on the street. there is

a lot more kindness shown and that is something. you kind of fall into a band of people quite quickly. and i i really i think fundamentally there came from people that did tell the truth and so i just naively assumed people were telling me the truth once i got to hollywood i couldn't understand why they would lie i would think about it not that they can't be like him because what would be the motive the motive is simply to live. and this is the studio executive system which didn't change since the one nine hundred thirty s. as of earlier and earlier as a matter it hasn't changed and the. it's the same amount of directors in the directors guild of america talk about that in the book you know and that's those are all the directors that are making the product that you see that goes into your mind and worldwide and that statistic that ninety six percent males in that d.g.a. directors guild that hasn't changed one hundred forty six why is it being so able

to prevent anyone from storming the barricades all cults are very good at that are . unsupported by media as well with the raw specifically with me the role of the media is is very much and has always been you know hand in hand with hollywood. and the government's completely hands off obviously this government's not going to be doing anything about it but the government's always been pretty much hands off except for the blacklisting era after that stopped the original blacklisting you know joseph mccarthy in the fifty's it was cointelpro somewhere in between rather than twelve unsanctioned yeah but it was the blacklisting for mean media the way to speak about how media treated me was that they were in fact paid often has been proven to drag me to say bad things about me for the last twenty years fairly and you think you're just i mean in this story it is read read until julianne's about the ending i mean you had this one when to

a brit cantor chrysalis records just describe his story and when he was one of the one light in your life he was a light cantor was somebody who helped me out of a bad situation and i saw hope for the future and then he was murdered still unsolved and that was there's a point where and i say it in the book earmarked for weird sometimes and i look at that like the ultimate theft and he was stolen and that was a really it was a seminal moment in my life and also it's just it was really dark obviously you know and that was a dark dark dark time and where things kind of went black for a while but like anything you survive it. because there's no choice not ever and does rose all stop you the wall from resume got off to the break.

well you know the cars they were kind of adopted because we were called pirates for so long. i mean they're in the smaller boats next it hard push it and it's still. coming down to. the little self to be told fish already ninety percent of the dot and it won't because there are. consequences to school seventy five tons of trauma and they do it several times a day with a big fleet now you get an idea right. now. we have to understand we cannot stay still and just. be with him this will be his

deal for you because our mother i'm doing this because i want the future world to future generations to have out and enjoy the ocean how we have. not been. killed. see you. lou.

welcome back i'm still here with actor director and activist rose mcgowan another theme throughout the book is the need for conformity not just you know ideas but with the way one actually looks the surface just told me a bit about that hair color i had links particularly well something i found really interesting and that had to do with you know by a female agent in hollywood talent agent directly telling me that i had to have long hair otherwise the men in hollywood wouldn't want to she said in nastier terms but sleep with me and if they didn't want to sleep with me they would hire me and the thing is i knew she was right nothing to do with the script writers nothing to do with the plot claims nothing by it is again that conformity and i think we've all seen that hairdo it was just three to blow dry that with the three twirls on the and it's like kind of classic hollywood hair and i do wonder when that look will stop it is i kind of took matters into my own hands. if you up.

and kind of. i i i do i talk about it in the book i just i broke up with the world in a way the idea of the preconceived notion of what you're supposed to look like as a woman and i was she would look good or to call me this film director really. funnily enough. and you still believe that this is continuing today actors in hollywood if they're female have to conform to that there is very little leeway specially for anyone starting out well that's the whole thing there's a lot of leeway there's so much leeway but they don't know that they're trained out of thinking there's any leeway this is how it's been done is how it's always been done this is how we should do it and i just think it's not even a good system they're not even great businessman they could be making so much more money it's not even a if you can teach me to take what's special about people and massage it away until

they're just an atomic time until they no longer know who they are what they are then what are you selling you're selling what you think someone should be and that person behind the scenes might not be somebody you want in your head so it's not even capitalism or it's the fact they themselves are in the cold but internationally billions of people are influenced but that's the thing and people say you know do you hate hollywood. i hate that it goes out to the world i hate that that thought doesn't stay local you know and there's there's obviously been seminal amazing films and cinema and all these things and it has done some good but i think overall i think on the balance. so a lot of harm and obviously in the in the newspapers across the media we know about certain studio directors you just mentioned an agent but what is exactly the rule

of a hollywood publicist people way to know burt lancaster in the sweet smell of success what did they do an influence the billions of people in what they then may want to emulate aspire to and see in people what's usually somebody a publicist is meant to get you press or media or work usually with other higher ups to sell you to make you palatable and a lot of these people have just seen movies where they see publicists in the movies acting a certain way so they come and they act that way because they think that's how they're supposed to be so it's just kind of like this on and on like people in hollywood have seen movies about people in hollywood so they continue to behave that way even though there's no reason to not just be a person there's no reason to not be. free but the threat is you'll be dropped if you don't take their orders it's not a threat they do it they they do it you don't want to get any reputation it's worse

than you know high school girls sleeping with the boys it's like you don't want to reputation whatever you don't want a reputation so you do everything you can to not step out of line and and that eventually just again it strips what's special about you away i mean friends some journalists who try to interview some straws big surprise the publicists are in there pretty quickly to stop certain questions particularly ones of politics i should say or issues of war and peace. i don't know israel gaza you've been does that why oh why did interviews are so boring. tell you that control they don't want even stars don't have an opinion do not have an opinion no matter what you know do not have an opinion and i why not we're sorry but you get people on twitter that will say shut up and act. or shut up and sing shut up and dance and i would say no we are people too and i think the more that people in front of the camera really

understand that they have a voice also. and people often get quite jealous of those i have a platform without realizing they worked very hard for that platform i worked very hard to hang on to be sitting here today i work very hard at that why. some actors might have no thoughts on the matter some might have starts. their very infantilized and you get used to being coddled and told what to do where to sit how to look what to be i don't cotton to that kind of. direction if you will it's clearly. how big does one have to be before it gets the freedom natalie portman recently said she was supporting gaza robert redford has always been a big name and always talked about the military industrial complex warren beatty you have to be really concerned you have read that big to really have any kind of freedom or even they have strictures

a place i think. well i mean i'm sure that the men get a lot more leeway susan sarandon i think. by hollywood standards was kind of branded you know kind of kooky that's what they like to do if you have a personality or you have a specific point of view you're a kook or you're kind of unhinged. when it's ok to just be a person and have have a point of view it doesn't have to be anybody else's but it can be yours. and i think if you're young and you're up and coming in you're making noise about gaza all of people above you will get very nervous because then you're going to get put in celebrity timeout. so it was not always like you were in the corner at lincoln so absurd is one of magazines liberty no i mean i mean you get you're like a little kid you get your face in the corner until you get better it's the proverbial time out it's it's quite asinine so you the truth so friends of friends

to people you mention in the book if you if we get away from the level of things maybe disappointed to know that robert rodriguez going to terra to you know seen as independent filmmaker is not that much different really to the corporate film because. you know there are there are men with power. and in fact. i would think the corporate ones might have more oversight but. their oversight committee was harvey weinstein. too which of course there was the powerful will say well justice was eventually people often have to just wait quietly. no they had a hand and. quantum even so they all know you know he knew about me he said in an interview. you know they say the complicity machine is huge

there. there's talk about an industrial complex is one of complicity. and it's one of continually protecting people that aren't even that great in the first place so they're not. just clean out the crap so great things can come just cut off the head the rot and let other things florus because we know it's all there we've all worked in those places where it would be so great if it weren't for that one person get rid of that one person. the attitude comes from the top down and the attitude of permissiveness imagine if your boss is a known rapist where you get to get away with. pretty much everything right it is something of the malcolm x. in this targeting of the talk because obviously you talk about hollywood functioning as propaganda the billions of people going to the movies when you were promoting them on that level people arguably feel that they can't do as much but it

is at the top that things have to change yes it is at the top. fundamentally biting ankles of power does not work so i wanted to show people that you could go for the head but of course some people saying that they're there quite a few people still still there other definitely are for legal reasons regardless should any of the people i mean how would you say you have the law serves them as well in terms of media being able to cover stories like this well i mean if you look at harvey weinstein got to turn himself in on a friday afternoon to be arrested on a long weekend that means his story won't be running all week in the news and already be old news by the time the next week rolls around after the bank holiday you know that's all orchestrated that's all orchestrated in the media by not covering it in the weeks following necessarily falls into that we could of course save the police acted like a cd or promotional system of staggering events in his case he has people hired.

on his side which is a sad side to be on and you see it is symptomatic of this problem again to the people you seem to preempt the criticism in the book towards the end saying people will think i should i only would rather than all the widows me for what element of it is don't. you know i think i get to say to you no i don't know hollywood anything. you know why i don't see many people that do you know people like me the ones that are marketed as sex symbols they don't and i talk about this in the book they don't generally get out of their life or they're kind of driven crazy and live off in the desert somewhere. and they don't come out the other side it's very hard to come out the other side you know an interviewer asked me if i was person a non grata in hollywood and i said no their persona non-grata was me i guess i just say too i count and in terms of trying to change things you talk about

emailing tweeting social media because she will boycotting it isn't their world timidly it has to do with mass action and i suppose that in the me too was a big degree of mass action whether it be through writing or trade unions they were on the decline in the united states is that the way forward because presumably even you think this is just one success you haven't been totally successful well i think it has changed a lot i've heard of that they're receiving a scene right now on something i know about a project i've heard of where it was too sexualized a rape so they're taking it out entirely people are they are starting to see things with different lenses it's whether they fully understand it or not. you know who knows but they understand that it's bad and that's a start you know i was sent a script a while ago and every single time the female character appeared she had a laundry basket for no apparent reason and she never did the laundry she just like

her laundry basket. is that kind of stuff i want people to start seeing these movies and. and the television and picking apart what they're telling you pick apart like what message are you sending me with this female character with this male character with the toxic masculinity this is not just about how women are represented it's men and of course of his men running something they're going to be defined men by it in a way that i think puts a trap on a lot of men and also i feel like little boys you see it so young with them when they get to know your so brave you don't cry my heart breaks for them cry it hurt you'll be done in a minute it's cool you're ok but people are so quick to stick you in the box aren't they at that kills me people think they do i do everything for women. i think i'm more of a humanist now i want to get out of these rigid structures because they're killing us i mean if you look at the state of the world i think arguably could say it's

having some troubles toxic masculinity can only bring you so far and then it will cave in on itself but i think it i hope it caves into freedom for everybody because i want everybody to be out of these rigid structures are in because they're just not necessary you know i've been lucky enough in a lot of ways to live a fairly free life even while in different cults at least the life of the mind and i got mine back close i kept i kept older i got that but i didn't break and i see that so many men i see them like kind of. not knowing or being taught how to process things or or just and there's so much you know violence towards women and it stems from that it stems from this idea of ownership for one thing of women and the other part i think is not being able to process emotion i mean there are people that are socially past and sick there's just that

but what about the others you know to me and and that's where late. i know it sounds really weird but my heart almost breaks par for the moment. and that's it for the show will be back on monday keep in touch with us by social media till then we'll feel on monday forty six years to the day of the acquittal of charges of murder kidnapping and conspiracy of the american communist angela davis nabby activist professor angela davis of university of california. who will be the next to get the treatment that greece got from the troika the i.m.f. the e.c.b. the e.u. they gang up they destroy a country for profit it's a it's a smash and grab and greece was destroyed they had a referendum and then they didn't pay any attention to the referendum they didn't

want the troika wrong and look what happened in greece it turned it into a pit it turned into a shelter into garbage and now the same bankers are getting together because they need like a shark always something to destroy to eat and consume so we were trying to figure out would it only be next i think were the two likely candidates so i guess as we've been saying that for five years that this was coming and i guess down italy will be the next meal for the i'm. fifty years ago breaking within two cons again as a sleeping pill does this is what i mean because a lot of this is just the side effects were terrible but not on. the wall. across europe retunes astonishing legal battles demanding at least some compensation in something two ways first will the physical

damage itself as well that the concert mind of the people who actually perpetrated this crime has never been able to justice and there has been a. well. keep this country. compact. and hitting me. is.

my failing no over the shock when i was feeling as old story it's a long story of go shots for me the most difficult i'm in pursuit post when i do so my first bitch up for the post but thought it was only boat because i didn't see the shot dead before so it was there for a minute so it was a. look my motivation was just wander off to the because i knew that i wanted to be there i didn't and continue to go to go sit with thank you. army career and just leave him there. have a look at him to see. what i want to do with how do you know that you're helping the world be a bit better i would say that that would mean to me one of the things that has impressed me the most is how you get the editor from where we need to get to but. i wanted to do something for earth when i came onboard it was my first time at sea it was my first time in the galley as loud as i had a lot of that. this is the seventh. i just love it

and i just love it i hate it that. i don't bang on the show. i love. the crew. i just love stuff the whole thing and being at sea i feel more like hi i'm. on a ship at sea than i do on live show. last year i spent forty five years in the navy i retired in the summer of two thousand and sixteen so one year ago and after a while of that missing going at c. but i didn't want to just go and see for fun because i do have a sailing boat but i needed a mission just. going to see anything like this in my life to where you. indeed are completely and all the way. oh. yes.

there are just not. easy no easy. thank you

you keep trying to. keep your power. itself and i think it's called if they do you know. more money they have. to back from stuff floating in the water out there and they if they need to trade with something need water a. lot have a boat they need so it's just floating freely descending memories are a way that all those leave for ships because now it's time well machine and of course it's rubbish at least that's the kind of leave it in the ocean was. sharks and i don't think that in tangled they had all run out of this old little boy and that they were.

going to just let me close on their own or. what about getting one so scuba. gear lotusphere. i think these two are to defend devices that these get thrown face for a local fisherman snipped some sea of these before he was. in the coast of africa usually they would have. been touched to that but now we say good bye is something to. stand on a calm this far so it's probably being torn out by a storm or

a strong queen still. gives the fire out. for a letter saying that. you don't get stuck in that one propeller or any other why don't want something to shoot. the shark or a go thing or a way of getting started. exactly. most of all the people i want to. see everybody. then they. can play cards where.

you don't want them to be killed while you will be. here all of the whole fleet you now have ten ships all of them are big guns and also anything that goes into the water. or water. so all the pool of. them very wise for this so they are married say an old. and not tested on animals. eat. now.