as human being authoritative and suppressing the will of the people where do you fall in that. it's a very sensitive issue which is the splitting of the come to some of it's there is no easy answer to your question but i would not the. position of the president of the republic. italian did not leave or leave you. the election campaign you. mention form of the disease option what you said worn away by a theme was prominent during the public discussion. in the program of the two parties but the program. we know the program. i mean mr memory i'm sure you know the president made it very clear that he's objections to the proposed government specifically on. the use of

future with the euro zone and i want to ask you are plenty. of them up in an objection. and you did not prevented the formation of the government he did not receive from the two parties. and you had objection. since that first of respect to the congress all due respect to the economist very provocative view on that topic which wasn't in any program for as sensitive as it is do you think such an idea should be put out for a popular vote because i'm pretty sure that there are some people within the italian electorate who thought that they have something in common the economist policy of one in which.

the election. clearly we can. help. of the part of the group. and europe against. if there is no such a danger then why do you think mr someone who as you mentioned is a well established that khan i missed his serve for central bank he was a minister of industry before he is not some in a random populace from the street this man knows a thing or two about economics why do you think he was prevented from taking the post of the finance minister even having the. economic vision that he has. because . the one we're discussing would have given. the impression. against you in the game and i think.

in using. at the beginning in trying to get. in the league. there are people which are respected which have. transferred to the market and to european. position now even without mr someone i suppose if you try government had raised many concerns with its promises of tax cuts and its promises off welfare benefits it's raining in massive dad there were even some speculations that they were going to lobby for its full cancellation do you still believe it was all about. general economic agenda which is still. someone i'm sorry. did you think there perhaps have been some more general reluctance to see this

government from you know prevent this government from taking the reins of power. the president. government being formed. at the election of course we are concerned. about. you know that program was a coalition. which means that they have to put together requests from. which means. very expensive. proposing. to satisfy the people. you have to do both and bulls are really expensive. thirty percent. from what i've read the leaders of both of the five star movement and the leak not particularly deterred by the prospect of fresh elections if there is elections were held do you think the results would have

been different. i think. they may. but if you are sure. clearly. rule something needs to change because the italian public opinion is upset. but i'm not sure the majority of. venturing into. europe. i think there are also multiple ways and how you can sort of had bats on that because some could argue. voters me grow more resentful if they have to go to the polls again or you can argue that it would give them more time to sort of gather over these populism virus

as if it was some kind of chicken pox i wonder how deep rooted if you believe the political mood in italy is is it more fleeting or is it more of a permanent nature. permanent we don't know. for sure. is. like a fool. who is feeding by the economic problems. of migration. and. together with greece paying more respect so. created deep into the public. i'm not sure. where the. italians are presented to or turn the t.v. that the decision of election result would be. quite interesting that they are actually out of

a cave far far more straightforward articulation of this issue do you have any concerns. and opposite result because many people fought for example the trump could never win the white house because his ideas. here we are. to respect something. less. two years ago look like. all come to. the. movement and then we have seen that happening. and. the leader of the party of. drop the strong.

and deny you beat. so. lets see what happens if and when there. is. now i think this. whole discussion goes to the very heart of what is meant by the democratic or even the european governments i'm sure you have heard mr. germany should not be dictating and i'm sure it's not as complicated or as simple as he said chest but there's still a question of how much divergence and how much autonomy it should be or any other country b.-l. out in economic matters when it comes to. general line how much space is there a lot of it i mean. is that they view. them they have to be very when you have. that problem that your is limited by the unless you call for leaving that whole union all together and

starting the new project that's. even and should be able to. is not on the table. at the. table. but what i'm saying is that. need to be clearly presented. and then but i would never dare to say. come to. well good to know about how mr munder we have. to be honest with you and to be perfectly straightforward to your i think there is a sense that maybe it's biased at least in this country. certain ideas are not particularly up for discussion in the european union on certain issues so it is praised much more than an exchange of controversial ideas do you think.

on the. effect of democracy in other countries but that's. that's not the issue you are now asking me about and if you say that either the. them across the country i have to say that i don't know he said i don't know if ingesting any of that i'm asking you specifically about the limits of democracy and there are certain people who have argued that you know on certain ideas the decision to join the european union has been made and that's all very should not be rediscussed saying that in fact that you can bet it would then be here try to because there is no procedure for leaving. and you know what i mean. our allies the way as in many other countries we have been. at the pain that is creating. and so this is one of the top to tell you and french and dutch and

german and everybody can see the east and when they would. read that to see what they said this is the third time the truth in this that italians when they voted two months ago they have not. that's mr magritte let us take a very short break now we will be back in just a few seconds. secret . of the priests accused of sexually abusing children can get away with it literally like to call this the do graphic solution so what the bush admits to do

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welcome back to worlds apart pretty green director of the italian institute for international political studies said marjorie about a year ago you were speaking at one conference on the middle east north africa and you suggested that europe. has gotten that bit carried away with its fascination. with transformation it got used to seeing itself as this positive actor for changing the world. i wonder if you would go as far as to say that this fascination with transformation has come to bite here because some of the problems to be seen you're related to migration i think would be traced directly to this idea of being a positive actor and striving for democracy in the middle. of.

europe. it wasn't. europe at the lead at school but certainly in chile in libya played a role i mean there were different positions that libya rather could take of but not. in. gadhafi we. did was that so i wrote in and great britain obama leading from behind the school in the government. i'm not signing responsibility but i think you would know that arnold but i'm saying that. here then we have been did it affect you i mean we can. ninety percent of the.

comes from libya libya. trading partner. which is important as you know you can buy all you. need. to and. for migration. of course who are affected and would plead your right as relevant to. the. sea in trying to find a solution which is not there yet. now one perplexing thing to me as somebody reported from libya both before they got half as matter and after that it was. the fact that he was as mercurial as he was he was actually open to change if only for apparent sakes and i think he was also open to making his relationship with the west particularly european union of it only a little bit better why do you think that slow transformation. wasn't

preferred. faster information. regime change. and we could discuss. why. and we could discuss for minutes on why. i'm not saying that gadhafi. had to be what he was a dictator but as you know we have been used to leave along with the day to see many other countries so your question was right. well it's convenient position from my point of view because you mentioned before that italy is quite resentful about having to deal with the migration crisis yeah you kind of outsource responsibility for that. i mean your interests were at stake

there because italy have calculated the risks on its own. brand. that's not my personal opinion but do you remember the situation with the taliban government. was at the final stage of it was a. possible crime it was in the video weak position and that is when the. prizes erupted so it was a very again a very delicate moment for our country and probably we did. as far as you know even knowing if. hold back a little bit or was it the proposal i'm sure you. sure.

now if you mention them that talk about their reference earlier that in two thousand and sixteen the word transformation has been substituted by the words. the new global strategy for europe which i as a russian find rather ronit because the worst ability in this country is very often i would even say excessively often what best the bill is even mean in the european context. because the situation is getting worse and worse and worse and worse to the american decision. and. come through and it's clear that europe doesn't all that great leverage in. russia longer than the average american is uncertain the big regional.

and. now speaking about this change in terminology substituting transformation of forest of elation it is all the more striking. to hear that in russia because over the last couple of months the kremlin started stressing change much more there is a discussion about revamping the quality of the russian government's fighting corruption possibly relaxing immigration rules tracked international talent investing in human capital all those things that we usually associate with the euro and yeah all of a sudden russia starts talking about it when europe no longer discusses it at least publicly do you think do you take it seriously do you think russia actually wants to do that or is that just rhetoric on the part of. the. migration. i remember that. was.

a few years ago. even if. every time i calmly. walked. the work of your person but you asked me isn't that strange because the. people of. europe and no i'm not surprised. that. in china for the next. china investing in the middle class. environment he actually did. this just at the beginning. and other become to china now you personally warned about the danger of

a possible rupture between europe on the russian sanctions which according to you could result in the isolation of. the european union and i know that the danger primarily with this new. leaders like mr salvini what i can't understand is why it is not. meant to you know facilitate russia's efforts to become better. including by perhaps easing or lifting of sanctions. strong. relationship between europe and russia. requires. russian and my comment that you are mentioning. the position.

not there yet government and what i will saying was that. would be risky for a newly established party growing government going to your old asking for money asking for money to support a policy all the docs and basic income and at the same time diverged with a utopian view which is to go along with sanctions. until we have pressure from the states. and so we would be isolated and my point was if we. go to brussels to other partner and get something for the program basic income and . how can we at the same time at the same table and say we go on our way on position with russia the sanctions for. the ukrainian crisis as i'm sure you would agree with me it was a very specific. time and i think if we are. on less

than fair i think we have to recognize that russia's actions in ukraine you may not like them but they were dictated by russia's very accurate perception of threat by nato i think from the kremlin point of view that threat has now been diminished there is no near prospect of either of nato either in crimea or in the a crane what's the point how long do you think it's advisable to keep those sanctions that keep hurting you that keep hurting us for something that cannot be reversed and i think would not be repeated on the discussing. and the european perception and the russian perception. you know randi it took almost four years. for the next three days but let me let me be very. many european countries. come to believe that we should get out.

and come to some. but let's be honest and. the decision final decision on this issue. has to come from washington. is utilizing. the dream. here understand i mean not. married trampin in a way because it's interesting to me how europe likes to portray itself as this principle values based and to what you tell me is it simply quid pro quo if the same way the trial perceives not. exactly. what i'm saying and i told you i could be honest is that the rule of america.

on issues like this. they're having trump in mind. and we don't. think that there is that currently the. actions of russian. i mean i am surprised that you say that men should submit to blackmail have that's what i'm surprised. this is what. china the american administration said to you. on iran or if you do not. like me. how did they tell me i'm unhappy or read they mean if i am mr from pay or you know the american ambassador to germany i think they express that quite specifically but what puzzles me and this is the last question i guess because we're running out of time is when the sanctions against russia were passed there was

a recognition that it needed to be done because a certain message had to be. well to the detriment of the european companies now you're telling me that when it comes to simply because you have huge trade with them. all principles have to be on the line all i can say that i sent some show would impose on values that we european perceive we have not suspected by russia that was if you have said will you ask me where the assumption can be waived now would that something has changed not much but something and i'm seeing the new thing now is that we have someone else at the white house that who utilize is a strong the bot again and you know one he utilized these tools regardless of what you do i mean you kept your word on and he walked out on all because you know look at numbers. us grade you know how to fare billion

with russia trade exposed i want to export to russia he's eighty i want to export to iran. six so when a couple negotiates or boots on the table to europe. do you want to work with iran with russia or would to say will do you see in america european decent and european footy show i would say they win lol this week they will try to find an ice and form but that's the substance your program is famous to be a very honest program so i'm giving you your honest box the beginning go to crisis was on values which for european perception full and respected by you by russia and talking about ukraine i really appreciate your straightforwardness and also your passion or thank you very much for your time and i encourage our viewers to keep this conversation going in our social media pages as for me here again fame

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just. think it's. in the week's top stories the leader of north korea hosts a meeting with russia's foreign minister r.t. was the only international channel granted access to kim jong un's palace for the event. if only someone told me where exactly we are right now this is how suddenly you get treated to cranberry juice at the same johnny's residence hello i can barely remember being given such access at other locations around the world i'm absolutely shocked. donald trump says his summit with north korea is back on after receiving what he called a very nice letter from kim jong il and. the european court finds it to e.u. countries complicit in the torture of terror suspects at cia black sites. near.