you know what that. means that mainstream media has met its make. oh and welcome to cross talk we're all things we consider peter lavelle to the summit can donald trump and kim jong un start a meaningful peace process as well as what's italy's democratic process means for the e.u. and much much more on this edition of cross. cross

talk in the summit i'm joined by my guest mark sloboda he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have dmitry babich is a political analyst we spoke nick international and in london we crossed alexander make us he is a writer on legal affairs as well as editor in chief of the duran dot com all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate let me go to london first let me go to alex i did stew a quick update on what's going on on the korean peninsula this time last week trumpet said no now he says yes what i think is in play is really the enter korean dynamic here this is where the real peace process where there is one going to be one it rejuvenated there and it's going to continue there and we'd have to see where the u.s. stands but even if the u.s. does change its mind one wants more it doesn't mean a peace process is over. go ahead alex in london i think that is absolutely right

and i think you are correct to point out that this actually started as an insecurity in dialogue the koreans first started to talk to each other and properly back in january when kim jong basically made a speech in new year address he said let's go to the olympic games and we've seen this thing take up now i also you're absolutely right to say that each is the united states which has been cool along there are some people in the united states who are think are not happy with this process but ultimately what can the u.s. do if south korea agrees to does north korea agrees to desire to get rid of its nuclear weapons and south korea says the u.s. troops was go does the u.s. say no to those two things where on think people would like it to might not be you

know what i think is really interesting we got a demon here i mean you know in looking at the mainstream media it is the nuclearization of the korean peninsula not north korea only also the north korean leadership has made it clear very wisely from a diplomatic point of view is that they're not demanding a complete immediate withdrawal of american troops that would be part of some part of some kind of process here i mean they are displaying a step by step process donald trump through his last. about it seems to be picking up on that he said there won't be a deal made in one meeting smart ok because there won't be one on top of it we have an international charm offensive going on you usually don't say north korean charm but now we are meeting with president putin so this is having a ripple effect i mean it's very easy a charm of the united states. michael. developments in north

korea they could go along the libyan mortal you know we all remember what happened and what's going on there know so it's not their very appealing perspective but you know the way truong candles it on the thirteenth of june you know they are there presume it south korea has a local elections and they have meet them elections through their parliament so it's very important for president one jean who did a lot for peace on the peninsula to come to this election with some kind of a result well he's already i mean there's already results it's is all about a process there's still a lot of landmines in the in the in going to an end and i and i want to say it's not there's nothing wrong with being cautiously optimistic but we do see the past ok lack of goodwill on all sides including the united states the last time this year there's nothing wrong with being cautiously optimistic but i'm not at all cautiously optimistic cautiously or not i mean the landmines are so huge i mean

just the fact that the two koreas are speaking to each other is already in progress that i think we should recognize and we should have we should lower our expectations for this right but i mean we have figures in the administration we have bolton we have pompei oh we. and others we have the u.s. deep state we have japan which does not want to see the two koreas unified as it has historical animosities with cuba we have the south korean deep state because they have a conservative military and intelligence apparatus which is not very happy with their own president right and some of the gestures he is making towards we have to remember that just a few weeks ago when the u.s. pushed defense drills with north korea that would it was going to involve strategic assets including. b. fifty two an f. twenty. there is an f.

twenty two fighters both nuclear capable that already almost sank these talks so it would take only a very small military provocation and it's not like we have this is going to ask before going to the truth not only sink us but to send us in the other direction let me go back to london to hear but one of the things that is ok i'll take mark's you know he's not cautiously optimistic and i think that balances are us all out on this program here but you know breaking the russians on board the chinese on board certainly elements of the south korean political leadership by i agree with mark is going to be the deep state that's going to be very hesitant but this is creating a momentum and anyone that's involved in negotiations and particularly donald trump of the art of the deal no one wants to. have the perception out there that they didn't follow through and i think this is part of the dynamic that is being played out right now go ahead alex jogging about lament and let's talk about this of some

that. deep state people like bolts are deliberately trying to sabotage the qin slump summit that was why they were bringing up this business about libya that was why all those drills happened and yet in spite of all of that inspired to drum up say the summit is cooled off the summit is back on and the reason it is back all is because the koreans the two careers responded want to talk to each other and that is the momentum but mark is absolutely right there are all sorts of people who don't like this japan might want to go along with this eventuality but it is not going to be happy to have an eighty million population career economic giant and evil on its doorstep and one who's been to korea south korea which i have there is no love lost between koreans and no no no and when i think. i'm going to change gears here but at the end of the day it's all

about country's sovereignty of south korea maybe want to claw some of it back and japan will have to think about its dependence on the united states if the deal is made right let's change gears here. i was watching the italian elections with a great fascination. a sensually the powers that be were putting a brake on democracy the two parties that. more than fifty percent of the vote and then they backtracked here and now we have the e.u. first lecturing the many figures in the e.u. lecturing the italians about how they should vote but the democratic process is inching ever so slowly forward in italy is what kind of message is that sending brussels and the rest of the membership of the e.u. well i think the message is don't cross the mainstream media who calls anyone who disagrees with the european commission populists far right dangerous marginalized put it difference the five star you know and the north of the league they have won

together you know if we. send it over the wall they will they want more than fifty percent of the vote all of the people who actually came to the ports they had the full right to suggest their prime minister when the president said oh my god i would try to separate that that was a scandal but obviously there are some changes taking place in the u. because i think two years ago three years ago the european commission would simply you know push their idea through you know because they're not in league and the price that committed a mortal sin they called for and then to enter russia saying actions in their so called government contract but now when the head of the european commission called your joint car or you would carry in french when he is saying i'm caught in this i do think we have to reconnect with russia not forget and what our differences are but the russian bashing class to be brought to an end and of course when such.

thinks you hear from the head of the european commission something has to change inside the european union to look at the i think maybe again cautiously optimistic is that there may be the awareness that it's not the rise of the populace left it's not the rise of the populist left right but it's really the failure of the center of these centrist parties in are they going to get on board and understand that people are going to vote for alternatives so i don't think you understand the danger that this populist democracy presenting to the european union fight and so you're lecturing us on no more. because thankfully the talian figurehead president rightly recognized that the euro is greater than democracy acted to defend it by preventing this from this joint far right far left governments finance minister who was very critical of the euro from

being appointed the e.u. his budget chief i think said it best to go and thorough injure and he says it is unacceptable and acceptable for our talian still vote for populists the markets will teach them how to vote ok alexander react to that because i think that was really the best quote of them all. but you know that it gets down to either you promote and work through the process of democracy or you don't and in this case we had glaring poor examples of one or the other go ahead. why have these two parties the one star movement and the newly now gone and it's really become the dominant party in italy because the mainstream in exactly the democratic party former communist party by the way. some people might be interested to know

became a sensually transmission belts for the altars they were getting from friends that pearly in brussels they were no longer responding to a tally in electorates they were responding to do what they were being told to do in the e.u. center now given that this is actually we've had twenty years of economic recession and stagnation then we have a thirty five percent unemployment among young people we have had lower living standards he's. going to jump in here gentlemen we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on real news stay with our.

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welcome back across the uk were all things considered i'm peter remind you we're discussing some real news. ok the moment to go back to the e.u. story here when it on the tail end of what alexander materials had to say in london all of this is going on with a looming trade war with the united states so add that into the mix well there is a big split in the you on economic matters particularly on the so-called north stream you know the gas from russia going to europe and it's exactly the same kind of split that we have or of the you would to pull out from the iran deal. and some other used european states there for the ring and pull out they want to protect trump from criticism from the e.u. and they're against the north korean project. and what is very interesting is this

cynical had to do it over the united states i mean the spokeswoman for the state department. denied i'm caught in the minutia through more according to which the u.s. all opposed the pipeline in order to sell gas to europe well it's not a militia as the rule of the example but i believe through. the issue of the rule of that we've heard that bothered about iraq not even weapons of mass destruction before the american invasion or a. russian drone is bob good been actually a research we're going to get to that story ok since you brought it up mark in that explained the resurrection of a russian journalist in ukraine who's russian yes ok i think i got that right ok so there's a journalist opposition activists are back janko he's a veteran of the church and war he tried on the russian side the russian side he tried to get out of military duty by claiming mental illness in fact he. caught

bribing a doctor to claim he was mentally ill he ended up not serving when his parents broke in there was commander's office and threatened to chain themselves to the radiator then he volunteered to go back to the second shot at you and war as a contract soldier then he became anti-war then he became anti russian government this is a guy who really has no love for his country and the country doesn't have much love for him he celebrated the death of children in a fire in cattermole recently saying burn burn he said he celebrated the death of a red army choir and journalists that were on route to syria for a performance saying they were as guilty as putin and he posted on social media that he promised to come back to russia on the first nato tank coming into moscow so this is guy is quite a character you know demon can you feel you know bring us up to the present here i

mean i mean this this whole scam here i mean the reason why i'm interested in the story i'm not interested in interested in this guy at all ok. well he's a character in the hollywood stuff here but look for the western journalist exactly how they react to this they they took it as gospel from the government in kiev that the russians were behind it there is not any evidence whatsoever that is the case that he is they have more famous russian journalist to live in now in ukraine you know and he has been before that story happened because he also covered the boss of all for all of the site he was with the ukrainian soldiers sworn been doing yes he's them employed by the are which is funded by the u.s. it's absolutely and russia is such as the american embassy in the russian and it was such a pathetic country after. he returned to russia and lived here for three years and only left again for your brain in two thousand seven hundred of them without

seventy. so when the news came that his body was found by his wife right next to his apartment after three forwards of course all the officials in your crane and in the west with the notable exception of president perfectly himself started saying that they're sure it was a russian let me just quote their ukrainian prime minister here the russian to put it third in machine didn't give bob his orders to you and his high principles he was a true friend of your greenwich told the war party or in support of all of the russian aggression well if it's the current the same kind of course that spread about his death then you can imagine what kind of truth the ukrainian people are layers of lawyers in italy go back to london to alexander. the story for me the only importance of the story is the fact that shows that western media will take anything hook line and sinker from the from the folks in here that will paint russia in a very negative light and we do have the world cup opening up in russia very

shortly this is this another way to tarnish russia's reputation go ahead alex well indeed if you actually look at the british media reaction when. there is a huge sense of betrayal and anger with ukraine surprise surprise surprise there isn't angry because of the. it's not there they expose this narrative as in this case a false and an awful lot of people are very upset and angry with ukraine for doing that. that is one of the most remarkable things people who say well the terrible thing about the story is it's going to mean that putin and the kremlin propaganda machine are going to be able to exploit this to prove that a lot of the i am not i am certainly not exploiting anything i am jews you. shining

the light on this because that is the only antidote to this kind of propaganda here mark go ahead jump in ok so the whole sordid i mean obviously has some good planning here the ukrainian m.p. who was in on this the said that it was done in the style of sherlock holmes because sherlock holmes also did something like this and it was very successful for him i had to tell it to those around a and b. but there isn't a real character i mean he's. doing very well there so even though we had a fake killer who actually used to be part of these ukrainian alter it actually was fake. fake victim the world's first verified crisis actor lazarus turning just like the scruples from the dead i think that most of shot him with with certified nova chuck dummy blanks only ten times more powerful than v.x.

which means essentially harmless right the supposedly the guy who hired this killer they're saying who has links to russian intelligence he says he's actually linked to ukrainian counterintelligence there may be a business saying go because he is partner and some of these are very sit on a german ukrainian venture to build cyprus site sniper scopes for the ukrainian intelligence services and there's a disagreement over who own this company so some people say that it was all part of an elaborate corruption see how much you love our line of business leaders so entertaining if you so ukrainian sort it let me just walk in and not show the reaction of the western press to all of this affair box and is alive but wouldn't still kill him that is their reaction and i'm grateful. that i think he found the most humane areas headline of all this the bomb the monk may end up feeding the crammed in speed machine so. i'm stuck in

a corner so that i just love it the best and so will your moves are wise to prove that we have truly a lie this is impossible this is unacceptable but in fact if you analyze the story there is something in common something in common that the bob rode affairs with russia couldn't story war never happened but there was a hysterical reaction and there where you well auld cold war propaganda machine started to work in the west and now it just can't stop you know with. stop abruptly because of his research action with trying to stop the earth there's no thing as you know they can stop what we started this program be i'm always pointing out that you have newspaper clippings and those are those are physical you can save them but in this day and age people just wipe the internet clean ok i want to change topics here alex i want to go to you in important stories like getting a lot of coverage is that the u.s. wants to move missile defenses in the system into europe presumably because of the

withdrawal of the united states from the iran deal but iran is somehow a threat to europe this is this is very provocative behavior on the part of the us considering europe is staying with the deal with the iranians go ahead alex. and i think the point you make about and ballistic defenses and all the rest is that the united states has been driving now at least twenty years. and is going to continue doing so and is looking for every opportunity to do so primary country that there are directed against russia that is to me in refutable irrefutably true you know it's interesting because i don't see this security necessity mark but these systems are very expensive aren't they i mean someone's going to be cashing in on this or they're extremely expensive but i'm sure the trumpet ministration will try to get the draw. and government to foot the bill his

constant complaint was you're going to say to the german government don't know you can't import cars or cars of the united states human events but you have to take our assuring that they're not spending enough on their nato spending to counter the russian threat that is actually far closer to them so the u.s. wants they're already putting these missile defense and that was in poland romania alaska at sea in south korea now they want to put them in germany there is also talk about a new u.s. military base on the. east germany towards the border with poland put the polish government is now begging dropped they want to pay trump two billion dollars for the u.s. military forces that put a base in their country while people around the world are protesting for the thousand advance us for our military advisors tiley in iowa hundreds hole in the us to occupy that it is bizarre their behavior it's because everyone in poland has an

auntie in chicago here i mean let me go to the mayor is rapidly running out of time here when one of the interesting things is that. at the end of the second world war nato was put into place to keep the americans in the germans down in the russians it seems that the the trump administration is doing everything possible to rearrange the countries maybe to keep germany down but it's pushing the united states out and we had we had mccrone. visiting st petersburg with quite a few overtures towards a lot of near putin even calling themself an equal to the russian president so the problem is that a lot of russian are is a nuisance ideas in try and use documents so it will take a long time for europe to get rid of this pressure from the united states by the whole europe will soon or way to break itself not by the european union so but by some other form you know probably individually ten seconds mark yeah.

we have a further stretch columbia if it is past going back to the job tonight is that we got about the right this is another expansion wow trump is preaching against nato and saying that you're a business spec spending and also nato that friends poland wants us military bases that in germany now colombia this is just foreign policy less always gentlemen we've run out of di many thanks to my guests in moscow and in london this is the end of our broadcast segment stay with us for the expanded version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember cross talk rules. for man are sitting in a car when the fifth gets shot in the head. all

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