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visited english language website in the world the daily mail's andrew pierce on why he thinks the russian ambassador of u.k. is playing the stage the murder of john the stockade to his advantage and what's behind the timing of a cia leak to the young yang whoa denuclearize is negotiations continue in the shadow of the u.k. defense committee report suggesting north korea could hit london by september next year plus how does pseudo science support the spread of fake news and you're a scientist and you know if you hadn't heard about the certainty that cuba is responsible the sonic warfare all of them all coming up at today's going underground but first while italy and britain there seem to threaten the existence of the most powerful economic block on earth the e.u. another threat is arguably in evidence today in the southern hemisphere brics foreign ministers gather in pretoria south africa ahead of july's leaders' summit so what unites the brics countries especially given that the b. in brics stands for brazil now run by a defacto cia asset well let's take the war that you came minority leader to raise

i'm a voted for in government libya he is president ten manner of brazil exposed by wiki leaks this against libya in the am in mali or in the central african republic wars have caused intolerable suffering intolerable suffering sure but why does temper appear to be so reticent his russian counterpart in twenty eleven asking some arguably more pertinent questions about the war in libya supported by to resume the coalition say destroying get daffy was. my goal then why bomb his palaces now some officials have claimed that eliminating him was in fact their goal who gave them the right to be have a fair trial returning to the no fly zone to bombings and destroying the country's entire infrastructure when the so-called civilized world uses all its military power against a small country destroying what's being created by generations i don't know if that's good and if that is the bricks what about the eye well india did not back

the violence supported by tourism agates libya what with its close ties to its normal aligned movement in the abstained from voting on the no fly zone vote which was put forward by the un security council make it very clear indeed that india would not get involved with the politics of the area and would not in fact take a stand on it and the world superpower of the twenty first century the sea in brics . she'll. say since. she was. south africa where today's summit takes place well he is the hero of modern south africa up to q. and a cup is determined by the up to truth of that company. just out of her no got off see the customs.

so what i was struggling with a hit. a south african icon there ahead of time sharing the brics opinion the gonna get after it should not be overthrown by britain and polls showed the british people unlike tourism a was not for the libya war either until corporate media spending millions of dollars arguably persuaded them so how are british people persuaded to change their minds could a billionaire overturn breaks it because some think george soros infamous for breaking the bank of england is trying to break british democracy joining me is the consultant editor of the daily mail andrew pierce mail online is the most visited english language newspaper website in the world and thanks for going back on going underground just day ahead of our. story donald trump saying he's going to impose twenty five percent e.u. steel tariffs or ten percent of alum in the him. what do you make of that well thank god believing the he's never like the he does not like these huge

organizations which he thinks are undemocratic he's dead right they are five and elected presidents the last time i looked and i suspect britain will be able to negotiate an opt out because we have that special relationship with the donald well let's go down to this i mean this is the ultimate conspiracy subject some might say george soros some people have said the it's true that the semitism here think that's what soros that is really going to affect there are some out help the remain vote in overturned democracy the saurus is hunger an american he's not british he doesn't live in britain he doesn't go to britain he has no democratic mandate in britain what so ever he's got a house here in chelsea i imagine he spends no more than ninety days a year here because after that he is tax status would be affected he's a very rich man he's a billionaire as you said and frankly what's it got to do with him what we do in this country he's talking about being tema cratty he thinks the referendum was not

democratic he wants a second referendum they're for. to try and wipe out the first referendum so if the first referendum wasn't democratic how comes the second one is going to be different because it's his money involved he's already given a hundred thousand pounds we think probably another four hundred thousand pounds ask the group he works for who the tory donors are who they say have signed up to that organization they won't tell you because either they haven't gotten a or they don't believe in transparency and openness and i've had this out with the chief executive of the organization of my own radio program and l.p.c. she didn't she said she didn't know and then when she said she did no shit i can't tell you that there are privacy issues hang on the referendum in britain with the big east exercise in democracy we've ever had in this country the biggest democratic mandate we've ever had seventeen point four million voted for leaving the european union we were george soros to come on going underground to try to speed this but i presume those are they coming money really really ill be ill be busy here we'll try and get you ok well that's yeah but i'm sure those who are

taking his money would say where british we won't remain and we're just being helped out by someone who is not a british subject why can't they raise money here that would be the better thing to do they would they already had nine nine million pounds of taxpayers' money to fight their cause in the referendum and i just repeat we've had a referendum it's done it's up to the parliament to decide whether they like the deal she brings back from brussels we don't want to have another referendum there's no need to have another referendum because that was that was never on the books what they're doing you see the remain people is doing what the e.u. always does ireland had a referendum in the in the ninety's and they didn't like the results of they had to hold another one i think the same thing happened in holland and that's the typical e.u. trick if we don't get the result we want the first time we do a second time we say in italy where if you think brags it is a problem by code if it starts talking about leaving the euro breaks it will be

a walk in the park it will. be the death of the european union you arguably stalk the corridors of power up the road here stalk them i march up them very purpose you said lords obviously because they're lords of consistently voting again going to populated to their exit well i mean any evidence to suggest any of this soros or it might be indeed other sources of money as well are making our evidence in the corridors of power m.p.'s no i think i think most parliamentarians have had the good sense to steer keep a long way away from george soros because they know his money's toxic they know his involvement in the collapse of britain's involvement in the exchange rate mechanism back in one thousand nine hundred two when he made billions of pounds betting that the pound was going to come under huge pressure he made billions on the back of the british currency that it was great when we came out of the stranger mechanism of the bush economy has never looked back since but i think parliamentarians of two

wives and i've talked to quite a few remain it's because we still we could have constructive conversations even though we don't agree and they regret the involvement of george soros because they know he's such an easy target a foreign billionaire meddling in a british democratic exercise we don't want that with fed up with people in european union telling us what we can and can't do we don't want to man he spends most of his time. in florida or everyday lives telling us how we should conduct our democracy but it's long been argued that media moguls i know your one is very british i suppose for the mail rupert murdoch took british citizenship i think had to take changes citizenship to me if george soros took british citizenship and you can now buy entry into britain who knows then it will be all right i don't understand a bogus point about foreign tycoons only newspapers the times and sunday times and the sun by rupert murdoch two of those titles backed one didn't the times

all the taxes are paid. in britain denouements taxes are a public company listed on stock exchange menace under all the taxes paid in britain where dishonest pays taxes sadly not hex if they were prepared to reduce the national debt by half ok why bring him into it at all corporate advertising budgets procter and gamble tens of billions samsung nine point nine nestle l'oreal these are the big advertisers multibillion dollar campaign to yourselves said it's bound to backfire we use of all of this money so why is it important that they will team out they revealed to they revealed he was bankrolling this new organization best for britain the whatever it's called how does he know what's best for britain he's not british he doesn't live here it's none of these place not his place and we're going to keep banging on about it and i can tell you it really resonates with the public who feel part of the problem with your opinion is it got too big too remote too out of touch and they want to bring things much closer to home we can govern ourselves we don't want the european court of justice telling us what we can

and can't do who we compel benefits to we want british parliament to be sovereign so the last thing we now want is some rich guy in his eighty's who says i know what's best for your country actually an arche writing a check until we get a good we get the the right result because that's what it's all about he's trying to buy there is a new referendum it does remind me a little bit about the conspiracy being talked about why remain is that vladimir putin was involved in the brics it vote i know you've been particularly critical since the script all poisoning in england of the russian government accusing them of attempted murder and so on state started i know russia didn't create bricks. what that's what that's what remain as awful as saying you see there being in the interests of most good to divide britain from europe. could have flooded by putin and the state sponsored assassination the government the prime minister who was

able to convince nato european union the united states just about everybody in the world that russia did it except for the leader of the opposition jeremy called we need to do the more proof and suggested we sent an overtop round to the russian embassy we're going to do it we can put on the back of delivery. by release of lincoln's exact point of course people are saying people should have asked for more evidence about the killing of this russian journalist bob jaeger you tweeted it just like bergdahl is in there i did let me see said it yeah we've all been i think it's a wonderful it's about the killing i think i actually didn't actually in one occasion emad got it right when you are told by a government that a journey has been made and they even furnish photographs of the dead body with the blood seeping out the back of your told the wife found the body ten you tend to that's probably ok reuters program does it right sure precisely that's where the problem we'll see her sky i have to say on that i think it's one of the biggest public relations disasters for that particular meter out there in the crane because

they are now it's going to now allow the russians to talk fake news at every opportunity that's what we do or out of acid here the ambassador here in britain who i've comical alie your new comic about he like the one we had in the iran mill transit jesting that britain but try to bump off the two pretty grim and tragic i.q. zation well you say that just about django is journalism by the way i was never really that aware of other neighborhoods he was up there with. i don't know what he this was to you probably was going to be piss out of the dear british press please go you want to do good give me u.k. passport protection then you teach me how to protect my family. well i don't know how you protect your family by allowing your god to do this otherwise the russians are killing. your wife and young children to think you've been murdered. for twenty four hours does he think a bunch of flowers is going to fix that and his marriage can take

a lot more than that in fact if we do hear that he's been murdered it was to paris thank you thank you after the break. but the nuclear bomb as we speak to award winning journalist gareth porter about which part of american history will be empty to kim jong il and women don't bust or whether he'll go for peace and cuban sonic attacks or they can use we speak for your son just for the universe you better broke claims a report on the alleged acoustic attacks on diplomats is seriously flawed. going on the ground. join me every thursday on the alex simon chill and i'll be speaking to us from the world of politics. i'm showbusiness i'll see you then.

welcome back to the u.k. defense select committee recently said that north korean missiles could land on london by september next year american war games in areas suggest a war with pyongyang might result in eight million dead worldwide and yet just as peace talks are on the table between washington and pyongyang a major us news organization quoted unnamed cia officials who seem to claim there was no point in all trump talking to kim jong un the korean leader has no intention of disarming joining me from virginia is a martha gellhorn prize winner for journalism gareth porter author of perils of dominance in balance of power and the road to war in vietnam thanks for coming on going underground what do you.