there is one going to be one it originated there and it's going to continue there and we'd have to see where the u.s. stands but even if the u.s. does change its mind one wants more it doesn't mean a peace process is over go ahead alex in london i think that is absolutely right and i think you are correct to point out that this actually started as an insecurity in dialogue the koreans first started to talk to each other and properly back in january when kim jong basically made a speech in new year address he said let's go to the olympic games and we've seen this thing to go up now and also you're absolutely right to say that it is the united states which has been cool all there are some people in the united states who are you think are not happy with this process but ultimately what can the u.s. do if south korea agrees to does north korea agrees to desire to get rid of its

nuclear weapons and south korea says the u.s. troops must go does the u.s. say no to those two things where on think people would like it to might not be you know what i think it's really interesting to me that in dealing here i mean you know in looking at the mainstream media it is the denuclearization of the korean peninsula not north korea only also the north korean leadership has made it clear very wisely from a diplomatic point of view is that they're not demanding a complete immediate withdrawal of american troops that would be part of some part of some kind of process here i mean they are displaying a step by step process donald trump through his last. about it seems to be picking up on that he said there won't be a deal made in one meeting smart ok because there won't be one on top of it we have an international charm offensive going on you usually don't say north korean charm but now we. we are meeting with president putin so this is having

a ripple effect i mean it's very easy to all charm the united states michael pants. developments in north korea they could go along the libyan modal you know we all remember what happened and what's going on there now so it's not that very appealing perspective but you know the way trump crandall's it on the thirteenth of june you know they are there presume it south korea has a local elections and they have meet to elections to their parliament so it's very important for president one jean who did a lot for peace on the peninsula to come to this election with some kind of a result well he's already i mean there's already results it's is all about a process mark there's still a lot of landmines in the in the in going to end and i and i want to say it's not there's nothing wrong with being cautiously optimistic but we do see the past ok

lack of goodwill on all sides including the united states the last time this year there's nothing wrong with being cautiously optimistic but i'm not at all cautiously optimistic cautiously or not i mean the landmines are so huge i mean just the fact that the two koreas are speaking to each other is already a progress that i think we should recognize and we should have we should lower our expectations for this right but i mean we have figures in the administration we have bolton we have pompei oh yes and others we have the u.s. deep state we have japan which does not want to see the two koreas unified as it has historical animosities with cuba we have the south korean deep state because they have a conservative military and intelligence apparatus which is not very happy with their own president right and some of the gestures he is making towards we have to remember that just. a few weeks ago when the u.s.

pushed the fence drills with north korea that would it was going to involve strategic assets including. b. fifty two an f. twenty two bombers an f. twenty two fighters both nuclear capable that already almost sank these talks so it would take only a very small military provocation and it's not like we have this is going to ask before going into the truth not only sing for us but to send us in the other direction let me go back to london here but one of the things that is ok i'll take mark's you know he's not cautiously optimistic and i think that balances are a lot on this program here but you know breaking the russians on board the chinese on board certainly elements of the south korean political leadership by i agree with mark is going to be the deep state that's going to be very hesitant but this is creating a momentum and anyone that's involved in negotiations and particularly donald trump of the art of the deal no one wants to. have the perception out there that they

didn't follow through and i think this is part of the dynamic that is being played out right now go ahead alex jogging about lament and let's talk about this of some that. deep state people like bolts are deliberately trying to sabotage the summit that was why they were bringing up this business about libya that was why all those drills happened and yet in spite of all of that inspired to drum up say the summit is cooled off the summit is back on and the reason it is back all is because the koreans the two careers responded to you know each other and that is the momentum but mark is absolutely right there are all sorts of people who don't like this japan might want to go along with this eventuality but he's not going to be happy to have an eighty million population. korea economic giants.

and one who's been to korea south korea. there is no love lost between koreans and no home no none when i think we're going to change gears here but at the end of the day it's all about country's sovereignty of south korea maybe want to claw some of it back and japan will have to think about its dependence on the united states if the deal is made right let's change gears here. i was watching the italian elections with a great fascination. essentially the powers that be were putting a brake on democracy the two parties the one more than fifty percent of the vote and then they backtracked here and now we have the e.u. first lecturing the many figures in the e.u. lecturing the italians about how they should vote but the democratic process is inching ever so slowly forward in italy is what kind of message is that sending brussels and the rest of the membership of the e.u. well i think the message is don't cross them mainstream new gear who calls anyone

who disagrees with the european commission populists far right dangerous marginalized politicians the five star you know a lot of the league they have or want together you know if we. have the what they want they want more than fifty percent of the vote of the people who actually came to the ports they had the full right to suggest their prime minister when their president said oh my god i would try to separate that that was a scandal but obviously there are some changes taking place in the u. because i think two years ago three years ago the european commission would simply you know push their idea through you know because they're not on leave and the price that committed a mortal sin they called for and then to enter russia sanctions in their so-called government contract but now when the head of the european commission called your joint. or you would carry

a french when he is saying i'm caught in this i do think we have to reconnect with russia not to forget and what our differences are but the russia bashan has to be brought to an end and to hold when such things you hear from the head of the european commission something has to change inside or even if you're going to look at the i think may be. cautiously optimistic is that there may be the awareness that it's not the rise of the populous left it's not the rise of the populist left and right but it's really the failure of the center of the centrist parties in are they going to get on board and understand that people are going to vote for alternatives so i don't think you understand the danger that this populist democracy presenting to the european union finance that you like your lecturing us on no more. because thankfully the talian figurehead president rightly

recognize the euro is greater than democracy acted to defend it by preventing this from this joint far right far left governments finance minister who was very critical of the euro from being appointed the e.u. budget chief i think says it best to go into their own injure he says it is unacceptable on acceptable for our talents to vote for populists the markets will teach them how to vote ok alexander react to that because i think that was really the best quote of them all. but you know that it gets down to either you promote and work through the process of democracy or you don't and in this case we had glaring polar examples of one or the other go ahead. we're going to have these two parties the one star and the newly now. become the dominant parties in

italy then become the dominant party in italy because the mainstream in exactly the democratic party would do former communist party by the way some people might be interested to know became a sensually transmission belts full the altars they were getting from frankfurt and pearlie in brussels they were no longer responding to a tally an electorate they were responding to do what they were being told to do from the center now given that this is in a silly we've had twenty years of economic recession and stagnation then we have a thirty five percent unemployment amongst young people we have had lower living standards it is home to ok alex i'm going to jump in here gentlemen we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on real news stay with our.

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welcome back across the uk were all things considered i'm peter lavelle remind you we're discussing some real news. ok i'm going to go back to the italy e.u. story here when it on the tail end of what alexander materials had to say in london all of this is going on with a looming trade war with the united states so add that into the mix well there is a big split in the you on economic matters particularly on the so-called north stream you know the gas from russia going to europe and it's exactly the same kind of split that we have or of the you would to pull out from the iran deal poor and some other used european states there for the ring and pull out they want

to protect trump from criticism from the e.u. and they're against the north korean project. and what is very interesting is this cynical had to do it over the united states i mean the spokeswoman for the state department. denied i'm caught in the minutia through more according to which the us all pause the pipeline in order to sell gas to europe well it's not a militia as the rule of the example but believe through that's not the issue the root of that occurred that bothered about iraq not even weapons of mass destruction before the american invasion or of. a russian drone is bob good been actually a research we're going to get to that story ok since you brought it up mark in that explained the resurrection of a russian journalist in ukraine who's a russian yes ok i think i got that right ok so this journalist opposition activists are comedy about django he's a veteran of the church and war he tried on the russian side the russian side he

tried to get out of military duty by claiming mental illness in fact he. caught bribing a doctor to claim he was mentally ill he ended up not serving when his parents broke in there was commander's office and threatened to chain themselves to the radiator then he volunteered to go back to the second shot you're in war as a contract soldier then he became anti-war then he became anti russian government this is a guy who really has no love for his country and there the country doesn't have much love for him he celebrated the death of children in a fire in cattermole recently saying burn burn he said he celebrated the death of a red army choir and journalists that were on route to syria for a performance saying they were as as guilty.