the us that when they really needed help after the situation. reached a stage which was. needed to be managed by. sacrificed a lot we gave them bases we gave them over fly i still want you to find that the war in afghanistan it's costing pakistan the last time the remnants of that whole action is pakistan alone our people are dying our infrastructure is affected our line is. absolutely so i think this is where dialogue is needed and know us as a new government so i haven't had experience with the trumpets. ministration but with president bush and his team. i thought they were very balanced and it is reasonable and i'm sure the government would also be the same way we have to make our case so if you don't mind i'd like to touch upon few points of u.s.

pakistani relations akeson has recently imposed travel restrictions on u.s. diplomats and that's an answer all of us restriction to pakistan diplomats working working in washington do you think it's just a diplomatic tit for tat or is this a sign of a wider crisis between us and the instance of this was started by the state department the united states and this standard norm with its folks than any other country that if somebody puts restrictions on your diplomats in that country you at least at least will have the same restrictions on them in the host country. this should never happen because once you have a clue to the diplomat to work on the within the confines of the country abiding any security location where nobody's allowed you should have reciprocity and allow them to function there's no point they're coming to the country being a diplomat and they can travel after you to a certain area or after a certain type so i would. rules i see what's going on it's really there pakistan's

decision to apply the same. restrictions i think is correct in the sense that it's reciprocal nobody can say we're not allowing our people to go. they want to go and you shouldn't go anywhere and i think the very essence of diplomacy is contact and connectivity. and if you truncate that you are really sub reaching a sub optimal level in your diplomatic interaction so it doesn't help either side there are no winners or losers in this game it's a win win or lose lose at the same time you sat us pakistan relations were always complicated and at the same time just recently state department has called pakistan an ally and war on terror and that's after i think one mention that he wants to put pakistan on a temporary terrorist sponsor list cutting aid this diplomatic spat so it's almost

is like it's sending mixed signals to pakistan how should pakistan in print interpret this only pakistan should raise the ante even more my personal advice to the leaders and leadership and foreign ministry is to raise the issue probably more actively in the press you see united states is a very open society and we must get to all the stakeholders through media through one on one interaction etc and the u.s. culture doesn't mind if you are open and blunt and they're not shy the seen all the issues and neither are people shy so i think we should be more more articulate and sort of open about it use the media use civil society groups us is a very open society so you can go to many think tanks and get your view explain and it sort of filters through to you can go to the press which is different than think

tanks you can go to other civil society groups who may or may not have influence and that's how you get. closer to the country and get your point across every country must know the stakeholders in the other country they want to interact with and know how what is the best key to open that door that's what diplomacy is all about so i think buck son is doing it but the. probably. mr as we're going to take a short break right now when we're back we'll continue talking to. the prime minister stay with us.

and we're back talking to shuttles east pakistan's former prime minister mr aziz china is another huge topic it has promised to invest fifty seven billion dollars in pakistan it already has become number one or number one arms seller to the country it has initiated trilateral talks between pakistan and afghanistan now to my view this kind of help never comes for free there are always strings attached what do you think what what would pakistan has to do in my years i have been closely involved in. activities in my eight years in government first as finance minister before as the prime minister and. as a professional. coming from the financial sector you know. i didn't get involved for any personal gain or benefit i always get involved for my country's

benefit and i found them very professional very understanding of our situation so in my experience and i'm still active. and i visit china regularly i can't look you in the. there's no sinister or hidden agenda on either side on the one one draw why would you complain if you were living in a house here in this beautiful city of st petersburg and if somebody wants to build a connecting that city to the rest of the country or even another country why would you complain and obviously you'll pay the money bags a lot of it is funded by loans but if you've been wanting to do that work for developing countries resources are difficult to come by so here you have. to improve domestic travel for your people and if you build roads if you build dams if you will water storage is generation is another area back on is short of par why

would i complain now it's fashionable to find sinister. objectives in any good thing happening to a country but i can i can do this is people so watch out what's the agenda the agenda is peace progress and prosperity that's all ok so here maybe you are true technocrat i agree you're being very technical about things but i want to talk more in chip political terms. if what you're saying is true and there's really no strings attached that brings the chances of pakistan and china being even closer as friends as an alliance even more so if that alliance happens do you feel like. we will see some other breaking away completely from washington no i was just coming to that but to me which is that none none of this is directed against a third country not just washington there are many of the stakeholders in. all what

we're doing is for our own good if you if somebody can come and convince me that you are adding thousand megawatts of power right by building a dam and that will that has some will to motive against say our neighboring countries be it india. etc. i would be the first to say that's not the case so if i'm getting better roads better infrastructure better connectivity better digitise asian there's nothing technocrat of geopolitical about this it is simply your friends want you to be more stable more strong and that's how you get alliances not alliances in a formal way sometimes they're asked to choose me i said well or ill to someone i know they're also selling their goods. all a lot of the it is tied usaid chinese they sell their material to you and frankly if i need generation capability and if

a particular country is giving me export credit right then china also does that russia has also given us loans when they built the steve milligan karate they were the actually the the soviet union at the time built our first statement with a loan and we paid because i was in finance i knew exactly what was going on so the point is we tend to look for the hidden agendas and my view is that the agendas are all open of course if a particular country gives you a couple of billion dollars to build infrastructure their clout in the country increases but they're also selling their goods they're also generating goodwill and to me in the ecosystem you build for diplomacy all these things add to the brand of the relationship between the two countries and then there's also iran right and iran still is on the verge of collapse united states is actually trying to slap

sect slap sanctions anyone who continues is a business with iran pakistan has boosted its trade cooperation with their own lately costly gas pipeline plans do you think all of that could be in jeopardy now do you think like. pakistan will still continue doing business with iran regardless america's here as to sanction countries doing business with it so you would not care about america no ask me interested as a sanction from the u.n. or america we will then have a dialogue with them and see what the sanctions are we contributing. in the process of looking at sanctions by not following the we are doing something which is harming somebody dances no we have to buy that. commodity from someplace so we buy it from our neighbor and the each case is different in nature of sanctions sanctions the loose. the type of sanctions imposed and very it

gets very technical so obviously if there's a un resolution saying you've got to do something then we can do something but it's bilateral the flexibility is very much there. is the peace in afghanistan is a never ending topic for pakistan negotiated peace in afghanistan seems like what the afghans themselves are supporting right. when you talk about us back ister relations you're being extremely diplomatic other pakistani politicians much less they seem like. they seem to think that maybe the relationship between the two countries could be on the verge so if there is a collapse between these two countries in their relationship can there be a consolidated peace process involving all actors i don't know what other people say but i can tell you what i say here is that i have a pretty good understanding of the us also having lived worked for us for thirty

years and. the us has a point of view but i think we can do business with the u.s. i think there are many ways to build that relationship the way the key to good financial management in today's environment is have options have different avenues to get to the same objective and u.s. is not the only option it is an important option and we have always said we want closer relations and we want to excuse me grow our linkages with them but if it doesn't meet our national interest nobody can authorize it to be done so i think to give a general sort of or have a general view that anything the u.s. does will hurt pakistan is not true there's a lot of stuff we can do and we have had relations as i said we were the most allied of the us and then we became the most sanctioned the us but still even in

that environment we were buying selling goods to each other and people were going travelling everything was not however dealing with the us is a very complex relationship so it has to be managed accordingly i mean you can't run away from that event but somebody is giving you aid and they have certain rules and regulations either you agree with them or you go somewhere else the united states would argue that the main stumbling point between america and pakistan is pakistan's alleged help to the. trim is group the the afghan taliban your former boss sheriff has admitted to it as well many other pakistani politicians the press has admitted to it and the general argument is it was support the tout taliban in afghanistan because we don't want india to go into pakistan into afghanistan so let's assume that's true and pakistanis arming the afghan

taliban who is it is there no better ways to deal with india than supporting it who i think i think look taliban have nothing to do with india so if anybody is mentioned to you please tell them to talk to me. and sole objective on the taliban. and afghanistan actually more than taliban is to have peace in afghanistan pakistan will be the biggest beneficiary of a peaceful strong vibrant of the. we will be the biggest loser if understand is weak if one is than is has got a lot of. terrorist activity and other things happening who will be the biggest loser part of us we will be and this thing is very contagious terrorists don't recognize borders we should get away from this mindset that you know here's the

line so they have a problem we don't know this thing blows like so we disagree with musharraf when he admits that yet i have to stand statement is actually is and to the views we hold a lot but i think the congress of his statement. read several statements but not this particular one is that we sacrifice a lot for them and then when he. as they were called were being trained but in pakistan to go fight and liberate the country we were part of the whole effort with the united states and others that's well known to your country too but they knew exactly what was going on when americans are we don't know a lot of the blue you know out of context and say ok guys let's go. we are treating we are going to train you know it has to suit our national interest also so when americans are accusing pakistan of sponsoring terrorists and i know that pakistan

is actually fighting a real war against terrorism at home against its own homegrown talents and absolute yes which is a fallout of what happened in the world it is weird to me because once again i'm not just getting this out of nowhere i'm stating things that politicians are a country that i you know are saying or a lot of were you saying prime and former prime minister and the washer evokes the knowledge that pakistan is actually supporting him using other extremist groups for operation i was talking about the terrorist attack in mumbai and it's not the first you know not usually of understand this we're talking about it. heinie as a terrorist i read all of them so for me it's just weird how could a country be fighting a real war on terror on its own territory but then also be financing terrorist groups outside and this has to do with india and i think there's enough evidence that in the old supporting terrorist groups so i don't know what came

first and what came second but if that happened then both countries become. part of the solution and part of the problem and that's what you're seeing i think then that's what if you see press reports in isolation you me not really get to all of it but no country in their right mind will support terrorism particularly pakistan which has been a major victim and it's not just in one area it's all through the country because the citizens are free to travel so we are fighting terrorism with all its resources at our disposal disposal we believe that the solution to crisis in a with honest is not through terrorism it should be through economic development good governance and pakistan to it applies to both and also if we get all create jobs open opportunities for people give them hope that isn't will come it has come down in pakistan but not and not completely eliminated thank you so much for helping me

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making a documentary on the death penalty and talk to him about his situation but he's been here for around town right up to his two thousand. i was not a much better of it in my other days were there now there are thirty i just are very alive. scour the press and i'll just say regulations but at the. present past our mayor. had some i was why did they gotta make it to thirty you know and now that later this light was been on the twenty is on there for us our. intern has been convicted of murder being involved in gang culture he refuses to talk to the police when he's arrested and he's also on trial from juvenile prison where he had done some time for very very. narrow. paris had a record out there for clinton it goes without saying that you don't inform on others but the other young three men arrested with him have no such qualms they

will claim that clinton is the killer. rather alex use her i grew close to those cars while walking around this one crew no show. her stuff you. have to. go by the phone. after i told clinton asks me in a letter to look at this case with an open mind he says he is not the killer and claims his co-defendants make plea deals with the d.a. when i look at this case i immediately know something is seriously wrong there are no fingerprints or d.n.a. or any other evidence that clinton committed the two murders only statements based fellow suspects marc garneau l and they fit which show substantial discrepancies.

they realize all the stuff i have they don't want me to get it before the course so they'll know it when i see it's not about justice it's about. a cold the statistics i wanted your vehicle power. ok the best four years i examined testimonies and got the withheld information such as crucial ballistic research i also talked to involved parties and witnesses i hope to get an answer to the question could it really be that the wrong man is on death row. to go get him a vehicle. still put your eye on him or this dear he'll.

the is no excuse. but. my the fence is i didn't kill nobody i don't know them i was on back in the way we're supposed to that you know who's going to go buy some blunts marijuana so yours you know and things took a turn the guy got shot and then at that point i was worried about you know trouble . they were patient and else on the corner and mark rey shot him later on this is what happened i don't have a fear from the troops. where there. was a time when bill. was right. there to see how this is. done else she should have seen what happened right so he was

leaving he last about where he was sitting it yeah i guess he was in and they all and it was it was not the medal he just said directly behind me because i had turned like this and talked to bill look because mark rey says he was there they wasn't my larry while i was there i guess because he thinks i did it so he don't want to be land grab behind me in case i tried he said he was in the middle so he can write a rag yes i guess that's the only thing i could think of but he was not set in the middle that car i don't know if that's the car seating what do you think was the car seat in our member of course it was dual me david paige mark rey and darnell mccoy ok so no one actually said that that was the car cd so i would end up saying four versions i may have i remember like i can even say the song it was playing on the radio at the time i had was superman about three doors down i mean i just lost i remember i have our guess i got a better memory than. well you know the houses that everybody's face and then the car yes they go out into jr when up didn't want to around the house so they argued

. while you walk around out you know you know when i was alive we were from the south side so j.r. you. and me the three of you all go off that car whatever it is in j.r. comes from around the house and he gets kind of like route close to those cars by walking around that's one clean up shop and they would pay to stand outside the car walking up to the car shot him they had shot here s.s. once they had the windows rolled down and they like death and he had a. good natural reflex as dos a back up and fell forward and as one pace i'm going to back a head and then i jumped out the car so we're playing it they are somewhere outside of coral here then one point. it was then right in front right in front by the dory

stand there. a conversation on your show right now i don't know what well compilation no one on the car ride before and during the power plant show she go oh wow. ok before you were sitting like clint was it no let it slip away like this and he said to the girl not my underwear that is. when he was going to see what was going to dog was paying attention to to a jr reach and open the door so jr reaches over to the door. with his son. can you remember how you felt when the first shots were fired it was like. i don't

know i mean. i can't really describe. our listeners thinking. damn well. you know and. i don't know if it's because of commitment to being a social extremely violent environment that it actually i mean in some ways no mates and violence i mean but it's different when someone right before your eyes get shot shot in the head right i wasn't looking so i mean it was i got hurt i was looking out the car like this and i heard a gun jr. first i didn't know what happened. mom said the robber side door and this dude shooting into the car so i started because of a pager and i didn't know what he was doing i just as i look we're going to the door and i was like man.

the little. likely is it because the two co-defendants who are there a lot of time they said that clinton was sitting here pulled his gun from his waistband and shot him twice in the head how how likely is that is it possible. not just pull an inch you know they show me how to do it has this number here if you shot from right here yeah there's no way why would you hit me if i do this probably won't even hate you because you probably miss you because you're not a man on this distance you can still miss it yes if you just did like this here you can miss just person trying to shoot the hated the body you can hit.