greetings and salutations just a few short years ago during the height of the black lives matter protests and police brutality and aggression toward civilians was shined bright in the media spotlight a new piece of technology jumped to the forefront in the conversation on police reform body cameras politicians activists police reformers nationwide hype the use of body cameras as the twenty first century big stone age old law enforcement problem of just who should the public believe when interaction with the police goes bad the cop or the citizen we were all told that with body cameras the all seeing digital i would tell us the truth version of events without judgement or bias but the question is our body cam is really the be all end all of police report take the recent events in milwaukee wisconsin involving the police and be a rookie sterling brown back in january brown was confronted by

a group of police officers after illegally parking in a handicap space he was then wrestled to the ground and tasered by the officers for refusing to take his hands out of his pockets brown was eventually given a two hundred dollar ticket for the parking violation and officers had pushed for an obstruction obstructing an officer charge but that was overturned after body cam footage was reviewed body cam footage that only now six months later is finally being shown to the public milwaukee police chief alfonso morales publicly apologized to brown in may five months after the incident occurred stating i'm sorry this incident as collated to this level the department conducted investigation into the incident which revealed members acted inappropriately and those members were recently disciplined. but are after the fact apologies veg disciplinary action and much delayed body cam footage really really the police are what the police reform activists were marching for and hoping for i say let's find

out and start watching the hawks. one. with the. with. the bottom. like you. well the watching the hawks i am sorry roll that and downtown dallas and joining us today to talk police reforms body cams and apologies as author speaker and educator baltimore sun. thanks for joining always a pleasure to have you know i want to look first let's listen i want the three of us to take a look at a part of the recently released body cam footage of this i believe was when the

officers actually you know took sterling brown down let's let's take a look at that first. language. then de tat with a what what's your first reaction to seeing footage like that i think that if a police officer tackles a citizen based on you know. a conversation not going the

way they wanted it to go and we found out that this citizen did nothing wrong i so i goes officers should be thrown in jail because the father would have come up you know i would be sitting in this chair of the call you guys to put some money on my book. we'd be there would be the you know what what is this what's your feeling on the time when he first saw what the but i think it's so obvious in that situation and there is no reason we keep seeing this we had a one person surrounded by a bunch of cops and there's this automatic jump just you know don't take it who the heck in the world would want to take their hands out of the pockets in that situation that's like asking to be shot for him there you go to break point granted i honestly looking at i want to said i was like i wouldn't i wouldn't i wouldn't as a white woman want to get my hands out about pockets in that situation i'd be terrified as an excuse there was a there was a stop i think it was a last year where it was

a white woman and she was saying that she didn't really want to move her hands and the cops as a joke said we only should like people who. don't have a sense of rudeness of broods a ratio and the funny thing is that talking about wisconsin police actually shot a man about two years ago who was suing the police for police brutality and was winning that case and getting a settlement and he was involved he was being held hostage in a motorcycle store and he came out and the police shocking and nothing has been done he was suing them for a previous rave that they had done and he was a victim in a kidnapping and they shot him and you and i remember people saying in a way friends of mine from wisconsin go i think i understand why. why african-americans are so scared that they finally got it but it has to happen to someone who looks like you and i think that's what scares me is that i look at that i'm like that's a human being if it takes five of you to just one answer get a question and the thing with that is to is it's like we're talking about a parking violation right we're talking about the dude double parked in

a handicapped lane in the middle of the night you know i mean it's like you know i'm guilty i was put into the light right in front of a store to illegal parking. in the store and it would have not read like a bottle of water or something like that you know i've been there yeah and i don't think it was deserved tackled and taser and everything else though this is the thing about body cams because we also there are other video of the situation where they're saying things like oh we're getting over time over time you know that it's it's all just a gel it's a joke it's a game and i wonder if. where do body cams and the police departments use of them fail in reforming these kind of interactions because clearly cops don't care they don't care that there's a camera on them they'll stop someone else from filming them there's a whole thing about they do not want to be responsible for what they do. so sterling bro n.b.a. player gets tasered tackle to the ground over and be

a parking spot right and we hear cops bragging about the over time they're going to get it right and then we hear them taking shots at him because he's a professional athlete and saying that we better not do nothing wrong what is going to be a media firestorm so these people are ready know what they're doing is wrong they know they're stealing money they know that you know if they get caught doing what they do and how the media is going to react at the same time they still don't care and they don't care because they're never held accountable they can do whatever they want to do nuffin happens this is two thousand and eighteen two thousand and eighteen why does it take six months to get body cam footage like i can shoot something on my phone and text instantly so why did it take. that. is a dollars dollar body i don't understand that and it turns out the public never knows the public never knows what these actions are oh yeah well you know they want to do you want to you know they want we did something with the administration where we know we put them on desk work that sounds like a promotion there's not a bad thing because if i was

a target and i said something racist or sexist i would be fired i work in service if i was in wal-mart the same thing but as a cop i can be racist on camera and nothing happens and assault people and so people because of that racism and educates going on i mean that's just and we keep saying it around the world in places where us cops have trained other law enforcement around the world post nine eleven where they're teaching the same bad racist cop mentality and the other kind of thing that gets me it's like with what it called the body chemistry comes up in there was a few people speaking out when they first were kind of brought on the scene said i don't know if this is really going to help in the longer than i think what you're seeing is everyone promised is this will help bring down you won't see the michael brown's you won't see this kind of thing happening and i think you said it perfectly what you start to see happening is them doing it anyway i mean you saw in baltimore you saw guys on their body cams planting evidence at one point you know it's like it's not preventing anything they were they promised us they would prevent bad action but it's not preventing the thing that you cut the body can self we got to play the drugs on this guy right you know i think. what i want to ask you

is what in all this both the obviously the event is bad what would happen was thrilling brown and then the aftermath you know what about the aftermath really struck you and you felt was agreed just in the sterling bound case so for me i feel like stone and brown is he has a platform people are going to hear his story and i'm honored that. he's excited about telling people because we need to know what the aftermath for me is. there's a nuff evidence. to fire these people there isn't enough and no one's talking about that it hasn't been done i didn't hear. anything where you know the police commissioner was quick to apologize and the mayor was quick to apologize but nobody stepped up and say you know we're going to get rid of these guys and for me it's very problematic and that is a really big issue there because it's like when you when you you know when you don't have when there's no repercussions that i've said that that endorses bad

behavior bad behavior will keep going when there's not a repercussion to be found and they will continue to you know because there's always excuses right there's always an excuse i was scared and i said it for five years of doing this job and others like i keep saying we are police were already running toward this idea of it's like south park they're coming right for us so everything we don't need a hunting license if we just say it's coming right for us and then we can shoot and that's how i feel the cops are i'm afraid i'm afraid well guess what i don't want. cops. sitting around and i'm. walking i know what the crime statistics are milwaukee what were those five cops doing there nothing better to do over a parking violation that's disgusting and a waste of taxpayer money and for every person who was assaulted robbed in downtown milwaukee that night who didn't have the cops there should be asking why there were five six cops for parking violations

a great point you know it's like it's like having a child right child's acted up in school and you say you were going to have ice cream tonight but you acted up so you don't get it so the child laughs walks away and comes back you get that ice cream this is what's happening with these police departments they get their ice cream all of the time they're never held accountable so why would i be scared or why would i want to act like i'm supposed to act on to the bed all this ridiculous stuff that these politicians talk about respect the first responders why would i want to do that when i know that they can do whatever they want to do nothing happens nobody. not even a body the body chemical their body. because a little bit and they just you know it's easy to just make up any scares and whatever one of the things that we talked about i keep hearing from people is that there is no way to reform our current policing system it has to be a complete overhaul of how policing works how it is done on

a day to day on the street level all the way up to the top do you think like what in your opinion what fundamentally needs to change about policing and police departments in places like milwaukee. and. mart what what needs to happen on a fundamental level to learn. totally reform how police work in america number one police officer who lives bottom was an example if you're a police officer about a million should have to live by the city you had to live in a neighborhood worked in. something appears that neighborhood number two cops should be held accountable you do something wrong you go you don't get to go to eighty seven thousand steps of redemption you know be treated like the rest of us we have when we screw up you know if we're sitting at work and you crack me and i hate what a mug you probably you know go see you. they probably are going to not own a gun it's only normal person why didn't why should you have those extra powers if

you implement those two small things he was tossing the change quickly most definitely will be walking is always a pleasure to you on and talking about this today when i'm sure tragically if i will be the last time you walk ins off are educated thank you so much for coming today thank you all right as we're going to break ork watchers don't forget to let us know what you think of the topics we cover to facebook and twitter sarah poll shows at r t v dot com coming up we present the second half of strong storms riveting interview with author gary laughlin of his new book dark star rising magic and power trumps of stay tuned to watch. the family was engaged in massive political financial corruption which led to concentration of wealth and ultimately the downfall of that country so in america

you have a similar corruption playing out as we call it money in politics and people try to get rid of the lobbyists and this cycle is being played out all over again and so the question is is it inevitable. four men are sitting in a car when the fifth gets shot in the hand. for a different version of what happened one of them is on the death row there's no way he could have. there's no possible way because they did not shoot around a corner. the book dark star rising magic and power in the age of trump discusses the parallels

between the methods used by politicians and pundits who profit from chaos and history sales of witchcraft and wizardry that's right the esoteric the bizarre the occult aren't usually the first thing that comes to mind but you just might be surprised by how much of what many would deem a cult style practices and techniques have actually found their way into the modern political team in speech stead of dobby the house elf it's have pay the frog is it just because humans need pageantry and brimstone sometimes or could a better understanding of our my is protect us from lives better than any spell here's the second half of song stands interview with author historian and founding member of blondie gary locke meant. i mean the whole point of politics is supposed to be. effect or you know effects driven as opposed to what we've seen a lot of times you become accustomed to a sort of stagnation within the political system nothing changes sometimes it takes the chaos to actually effect the change even whether it's positive or negative but

if it's trump is as you say an archetype of chaos in a sense what is it here to put in my eyes as you talked about this time period we're in of fake news right and sort of alternative facts and the blurring of realities what does that mean about the age that we're entering or that we are in. well it seems to me and i say in the book that we're in a time where the partitions between a reality and its representation between inner and outer between truth and falsehood all of these things have become very very very thin and permeable and poorest. and one of the things i say tongue in cheek in the book is i wonder if we can consider a kind of topa. comes from tibetan buddhism and it's a sort of thought form it's a sort of mental entity that's brought into being through meditation and. talk about it there is a famous book a magical mystery in tibet a frenchwoman alexander david neal and she talks about how she she did this she

practiced this form of tibetan magic and brought monk sort of into existence and got out of control sort of like the golem in jewish mysticism and it took her some time to dissolve it and because we seem to be in this time where the difference between reality and its representation has become blurred we have a reality t.v. celebrity for president and prior to that you know what was happening on television the most what was the most popular thing about reality t.v. so that in itself seemed to be something to set kind of scene of the tone for the sort of things that seem to be happening and i sort of posed the question again is have tongue in cheek but it's the idea of somehow as trump popped out of the television set is he been pulled out of this other reality and now has come into the real world now you know he's he's he's here his followers or his devotees or whatever have helped sort of bring him into manifestation. but what does that mean

as far as i mean just as a student of history as you are and you said the various philosophies and these things have occurred throughout time whether it's so-called politics in chaos magic and the various philosophies that you know into galea and sanskrit dialectic right of transformation where do you see things going on on a socio political landscape where you have something that as absurd as you say a reality t.v. star become president we've seen it recently with kim kardashian is the prison reform expert at the white house i mean it's people knocking it obviously because it's just so outrageous but what does that indicate we're going to what do you know what are we being led towards as a western civilization. well i mean you could even say obama i mean he recently signed some sort of deal with netflix so you know it's something that's got a kind of across the board and all that but i think the way i see it i try to look at in the context of the work of germans was fostering gene gaps or and he

wrote a fantastic book called the ever present origin he wrote in the forty's and it was translated in the eighty's into english he died in the early seventy's around the same time that you is able to do it i think within a year of each other but he talked about this notion that humanity since it's pretty story time as it were has gone through different structures of consciousness and different sort of fundamental ways in which we are aware of the world have appeared in they've they've sort of dominated for a time and then they start to break down and what he said was that ever since sort of you know the beginning of the one nine hundred century let's say we've started to experience what he called the breakdown of the mental rational structure and this meant that the stable you know fixed ideas about you know truth and logic and knowledge and so on and so on were starting to dismantle and i guess one of the earliest signs of the same is quantum physics but in a more immediate and cultural kind of level and political and social i would say you know in the seventy's around the time when gibson died and you start of the

rise of deconstructionism the start of the rise of postmodernism which is an act of attack on these cognitive structures and this sort of a pistol a logical sort of dominance that you know has been around for quite some time and i think the whole post through the turn of fact world that we're in is the result of what i call trickle down that of physics so from these lofty heights of a piston illogical crisis and ambiguity that you know first sort of starts with nature then heidegger picks up the ball and people like barry don't those you know carried on until today now it's part and parcel of much of the sort of neo liberal . so you know what you it's the sort of thing that someone like jordan peterson is up in arms about and this is become kind of the dominant view and it's also the sort of thing and someone i do get is very much up in arms about this become sort of the absolute view of reality and you know go back to francis fukuyama his book you know the end of history this is sort of like history is ended now you talked

about table so yes ok so this notion of freedom which cable said was the the sort of the motor the drive in the aim and goal of history seems to have been accomplished at least in terms of you know liberal market free market values and so on and so on so there's a sense in which the thing that has been sort of. the backbone and say of western civilization for the last five hundred years or so was starting to sort of take itself apart and that yes that's necessary for something else to come in and talked about what he called the entire global structure of consciousness that somehow. i can't go into great detail about it somehow would harmonize and you know reintegrate things but again it's no picnic so i think presently we're going through something that it's a breakdown of you know how we understood the world and it will continue and you can see this in a variety of different ways you know the west the western sort of intellectual structure of western civ is being sort undermined attacked and you know from different points of points of view. precisely i mean it's there in the time of

deconstruction of old orders and i think this is not a new phenomenon i mean it's certainly it's been on the rise since even you could see the post world war era whether it's you know the drug culture and the sort of the simulation of especially computer technology artificial realities all the way to the present internet allowing this media where awareness beyond what human consciousness is normally used to we're not supposed to you know by biology we don't know what happens in china instantaneously you know for the you know until a few years ago right now the information is this person rapidly so where does that leave your interpretation of the imagination of magic because when you say occultism it makes it seem. it's very dark it's only being used for negative purposes but how do you see you know what is your interpretation of this chaos magic you say it's you know it could be positive or negative well. yes no i think i think the thing itself is neutral to great degree and it's generally you know there's black magic and white magic and all that kind of stuff you know you could

use your powers for good or evil i think the idea that as. i say you know in some interviews unlike vegas you know what happens in the mind doesn't necessarily stay there is something that you know most rational people are scientifically then people would just consider nonsense but i think if you you know if you broaden your perspective a bit and try to understand what exactly we mean because again you say imagination and we have a kind of. idea what that means is stereotypical idea but one of the things i've been trying to do in this book dark star rising in early one called last knowledge of the imagination is to look historically at how we understand imagination because i'm sure you know for you know people probably are to the rise of science in the seventeenth century in the light and all throughout that romantics and poets and philosophers they've all understood the imagination in some way that it's actually . part and parcel of the way in which we grasp the world it isn't some sort of thing that we just have ok you know usually magination to be sort of new and novel

or to create a substitute for reality it's some way that at the bottom or and again if you do the homework you see people that have looked into this these are you know these are billion people like you know the great german poet curtin william blake the german philosopher and interests are all you know of others in some way which we don't quite understand. our minds are intimately involved in the world that we perceive outside us now can we take the next step in some way you know actively induce you know try to make reality in some way i guess that's that's the magic bit that's the thing that comes in and i think it all depends on you know how far you want to take the idea that you know what happens in the mind and outside of the into penetrate and in some direct sort of way that's the case you know and if some people are doing that and using that for purposes that you may feel or you know perhaps dubious then it pays to get your skates on and to be aware of this and you know we

know in the states there's sort of the magical resistance and which is against trumpeted the binding spell and and that sort of thing but i would say fundamentally rather than necessarily you know participating in things like that it's to understand how much the imagination and the needs of the imagination are involved in the kind of milieu politics is centered these days which is very much about entertainment and and glamour and show and effect which as we know are part of sort of magical traditions as well so you know the guru in the demagoguing the magician and sort of the cult leader and not very far apart. precisely it's all it's all merging intertwining of realities all becoming sort of harmonized as well and one is maybe the democratic marketplace of ideas really is what it boils down to gary really appreciate you and your work and fan of your music as well so it's great to have you on. it was absolutely pleasure thank you very much.

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