or the end of north korea's nuclear programs so all of these issues are all completely separate and the world different countries in the region and americans we all need to understand these a separate issues and i think everybody just thought that on june twelfth that president trump and kingdom of went to sit down and suddenly americans and everybody else would feel safe if well the summit succeeded or if it failed we would suddenly go to war well i'm simply not the case so i think the media and gareth you've been talking about this i mean the media's been pretty shameful in the narratives that they've been pushing but that almost has everything to do with domestic politics in the united states let me go to gareth erika's you wrote written recently on this topic go ahead. well yes of course it's true that the media have played a very nasty role in the run up to this summit really trying to discredit the idea that there could be an agreement that would effectively denuclearize and i guess i

from from what i heard. say just a moment ago i think i disagree with the conclusion that there can't be. a connection between the various aspects of a peace agreement. between the united states and north korea as well as between north and south korea and denuclearization i think there is every reason to believe that those two things are intimately connected i didn't and they have said ok ok i'll be happy to well you know we're going to reply finish up your point there get at them ok. so the point the point i want to make the point i want to make is that the media have been saying that north korea has no interest in ever giving up its nuclear weapons and that i think is simply not supported by the historical evolution of north korean policy excuse me they they have in fact. made

it clear that they believe that north korea's interests lie in reaching an agreement with the united states and that their nuclear program as well as their missile program have been aimed at ultimately that outcome. that was that was part of what i wrote about in my latest piece starting in two thousand and thirteen when kim jong un came in to power he immediately embarked on a build up its true nuclear and missile program that would give him more to bargain with but it was also made clear to americans who met with the north koreans in two thousand and thirteen that the intention was that when the united states was ready to negotiate seriously north korea would negotiate on denuclearization in order. to achieve that ultimate goal ok if you're in the peace agreements let me let me jump in here i want to go but what about being a giver of forty seconds reply before we go to the break go ahead i'll be in in washington go ahead what well first i didn't say that it can't be linked i just

simply said that they don't necessarily all linked together so so i don't think you know i don't think we necessarily disagree on that what i will dispute though however is your conclusion that north korea will bargain away these nuclear weapons and the reason i say that is that the nuclear weapons are a strategic. nuclear weapon serve a strategic purpose to chant i don't think that the nuclear weapons well absolutely they are a deterrent but the purpose they serve is not so that the united states will provide the sick security guard to it's not just about the united states ok but being absolutely right on the state let me just let me jump in here we're going to go we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on the singapore summit stay with us.

with all make this manufactured consensus public well. when the real plus is protect themselves. with the fight merry go round the sun be the one percent. we can all middle of the room sick. and is getting international recognition with the help of the. israel at least in the world of zoos and member of the commission like you know. this isn't my cup of tea is going on the sunday oh maybe you know john i just hope.

the only palestinians is who gets the most help from his jerusalem counterparts i don't think there's some of those who are on the vision not only because it is a. i know it's his office that it's got to this lady in the muscle that you had i'm going to continue muslims you know do more of the most awesome companies off. welcome back to crossfire where all things considered i'm peter we're discussing the singapore summit. ok let's go back about being in washington right before winter break you're trying

to finish up a point go ahead. the single biggest mistake that people make when analyzing the korean peninsula is that the focus is on the united states i agree you have to understand that for the entire korean peninsula and remember that north korea and south korea have only existed as separate entities for the last seventy years korea has been around for two thousand years for two thousand years korea has been surrounded by great powers united states has only been around for as far as korea's been concerned for one hundred years so for north korea the united states for the last seventy years so for for north korea's nuclear weapons united states is only one actor so so the nuclear weapon serves a strategic purpose about independence and security for all the great powers so even if the united states provides a guarantee of independence and security for north korea now it's still about

independence against china russia and potentially any other great power that threatens the korean peninsula in the future ok you said that is why north korea will not give up its nuclear weapons to the united to the that every other great power to the united states gareth i mean. brings up a fascinating point because when watching kim and trump sign the document and then the. spoke to reporters and then and then try. rather strange i have to say encounter with the media afterwards because it was so vague. what does denuclearization actually mean because we really don't know what that means ok because well being a brings up a very good point and and so it's still kind of a here and that's the obstacle here i mean we had a lot of optics you know photo ops and stuff like that in the look good it was felt good but now there's the hard work ahead go ahead carol. well you know

i don't think it's really quite true that we have no idea what denuclearization means well i mean like the time like a time frame like a time frame ok i mean it then sanctions i mean if that's a day i sleep if it takes five or seven years to go through this and and then sanctions are only dropped then i mean again this is all really really they go ok i'm for this process very much for this process i very much agree with what del being is saying but it's a korean deal that has to be worked out here but i mean filled the lid language here is so very vague ok and expectations are higher than they were go ahead carol . yeah the the language is vague and i think that's to be expected but but i think that both sides have agreed on a principle of that there will be a phased process in which both sides will make certain moves in tandem with one another i think that's the key to this and that means that the

north koreans have agreed to basically get to have the the destruction of nuclear weapons or process that obviously would be i.a.e.a. driven watched over. to get rid of the nuclear weapons as well as the capability to deliver them. certainly liver them to united states at the very least and that process of figuring out what the precise relationship is in terms of time between the different steps and which steps go with which is obviously a very detailed process that can't be done in a few days or few weeks it's going to take some months to do it it goes i think the agreement at this point has gone farther than any previous agreement in this regard and i've looked at the record of what happened in the clinton and bush administrations the us government was nowhere near where they are today in terms of

agreeing to the kind of. sort of arrangements that the phased mading of denuclearization with the political security moves and economic moves that are contemplated in this agreement so i think that this is really on track and i think i have to say that i disagree with the idea that north korea cannot exist without nuclear weapons if you go back to the early period i don't think. there was a ok ok well i thought that was the implication i'll be glad to have you clarify it but. i want to simply state that i believe the north korea does. that does that north korea does believe that it can exist. securely without nuclear weapons as long as it has certain preconditions that have been realized so you're saying security guarantees i mean my pompei i came out and said that ok you want to jump

in that's the whole point of the program go. ok well let me again clarify i did not say that north korea cannot survive without nuclear weapons all i simply one more time nuclear weapons serve it is one simply one tool of serving the purpose of independence and security for the korean peninsula now can other substitutes be served that purpose absolutely and at some point north korea may decide that something else can be substituted for nuclear weapons in fact north korea and kim jong un may have decided that another asymmetric weapon could easily in fact be much more efficiently serve the purpose of nuclear weapons and in fact perhaps cyber weapons for example could actually substitute and be much better than nuclear weapons that that is that in fact what

may have brought him to the table i don't know so yes i agree he more of korea could have made that decision i don't know so absolutely i'm not saying he it has to be nuclear weapons so that was my point ok now i don't know what statement you read but that statement absolutely is not the most comprehensive go back and read the six party agreements and i don't know why you're referring to the agreed framework the six party agreements was absolutely the most comprehensive this statement signed yesterday was a joint agreement and it completely just reiterated in the vegas terms every other previous agreement that was already signed by north korea it simply reiterated in the vegas terms everything that was reiterated that is simply all it did ok libya and it just restarts all over again ok. but this time it will be done with it i think this time it will be different because we have historical precedent and it's

called libya and it's also the u.s. walk. in a way from the iran deal gareth this is what really is interest it's an interesting mix right here because it's a question of trust i mean why you know i if i were in the north korean leadership i'd be saying well why would we go down a long road of negotiations when this president this country that we're dealing with walks away from internationally agreed agreements i mean this throws into the mix here and of course bolton really wanted to poison the well when he was saying yeah the libyan example you know and of course i don't think trump was aware of it when he was backing it up at the time ok. the point the reason why i'm saying that because i saw his press conference and he's kind of thin on historical facts ok so i mean about libya talk about iran when it comes to the north koreans go ahead karen. well we know that the libya model that was advanced by john bolton was aimed at sabotage again the whole process of reaching

a summit and beyond and that failed fortunately for very good reason that both trump and kim did not want to have that interfere and both took steps to overcome that obstacle and i think that's why we are talking about the summit as we are now but i think it's not just the libya model that is the problem in terms of trump in terms of mistrust and trump it's really the wider much more fundamental problem that the u.s. political system has a serious difficulty. actually reaching right an agreement that can be then transferred from one administration to the next it appears that we've lost the ability to pass international treaties in this country and that i think is a serious problem that i'm sure. and the north koreans have been thinking about they're going to insist i'm quite sure on

a treaty and the question i have really is whether at this point the u.s. congress is going to be willing and able to deliver on an international treaty surrounding this agreement being as usual you want to jump in john and. let me point something out first of all one more time. please understand that not everything is about the united states no no no harry i don't hate of all hang on hang on well being to him no i don't really hang on to my point is no no my point is very different than nuclear weapons my point is trust because i know. you could talk as you can talk about size when you can just about thirty or nuclear weapons but you have to talk about the ability to negotiate go right ahead and go ahead you brought up libya iran and trust so that those are the three things i would like to address go ahead number one trust is simply i think over

and. in international relations trust a simply over emphasized let me point out that north korea the korean peninsula has never trusted any neighbor ever for two thousand years you have to understand the mindset of the korean peninsula the world. has been. then one i wish there were some and then why was there somebody if they have no trust of outsiders why did they have put on this whole shirov in in singapore that's when i sense to me i mean if you they see a chance they certainly want something if you why they said it was our go right ahead right go right so let. i'm trying to explain this so the korean peninsula has been an independent kingdom for almost two thousand years so it but it doesn't trust its surrounding powers because it has been constantly invaded and

for the last one hundred years it was colonized its sovereignty was taken away and then it was divided at both sides both korean side to the north and the south believed that it was divided not because it wanted to be voted on by the great powers and that it went to war ok because it was forced to and that the south is occupied now why did kim jong un come to the summit because it wants it wants recognition and it wants to assert kim jong un wants to assert his legitimacy and he wants to be recognized as a world power that's why he came to the summit now whether or not he was going to give up on a bargain always nuclear weapons we still don't know we still back to libya i mean ron so. we still don't know yes that is correct now back to libya and iran north korea does not believe that libya and iran are good examples yes north korea

follows other countries but north korea says we're on like any other country here's the thing ok this is a very very enlightened ninety four anybody anywhere but out of time gary speed to be any run out of time anything so my guess and once you've been and and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at our d.c. unix i mean remember our stockings.

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are. still going on in kim's illness does she don't consume don't tell you that means i can do a little joke there on the single undoubtable soon enough that equal distance is my son and so what he calls a stance me going on in condolence because i don't he doesn't sit only until the meal that devotional moodiness is on this is a downside acid all to the sitting on. the legacy call guys are the winners the legacy oil guys are the winners the legacy all central bankers are the winners innovation dynamism the constitution the bill of

rights these are the losers in this america. the leaders of the u.s. and north korea shake hands at his storage summit just months after threatening to destroy each other's countries. their talks ended with kim jong un committing to denuclearization and in exchange for several promises from donald trump. we're not reducing anything we're not reduced very little bit early for that we have to get things moving the sanctions will remain in effect we will be stopping the war games going to last until we see the the future negotiation is not going along like it should. final touches are being made for the people world cup in russia in

part two of our championship special manchester united manager just. predicts who will make it to the semifinals. and the german interior minister's plan to crack down on illegal immigration causes a major rift among the marbles new coalition government. are broadcasting live for this is our team international i'm sean thomas really glad to have you with us. in the leaders of the u.s. and north korea have hailed of their historic summit in singapore as a success in a joint declaration kim jong. pledged to give up his nuclear arsenal although no timeline was given and in exchange donald trump agreed to suspend u.s. military exercises with south korea the us president said afterwards that the two

had formed a strong relationship between around comes just months after they were threatening each other with all out war we have developed a very special bond. north korea best not make any more threats to the united states they will be met with fire and fury and have mad men out there shooting rockets all over the place you will have no choice but to totally destroy north korea rocket man is a sick puppy. a frightened dog barks louder i will surely indefinitely tame the mentally deranged us doted with fire. this is tree has proven over and over again adversaries can indeed become friends both very honored to sign the document thank you. so the today we had a new story meeting you decided to leave the possible we're very proud of what took

place today and it worked out for both of us far better than anybody even predicted it's an honor to be with you. later in the day the u.s. leader said that without the highly aggressive language it leading up to the summit the meeting would never have happened. without the rhetoric we wouldn't have been here i really believe you know we'd sanctions and all of the things that you would do but i think without the rhetoric you know other administrations i don't want to

get specific on that but they had a policy of silence sometimes i felt foolish doing it. but we had no choice despite the show friendliness at the summit there was one moment when kim jong un looked a little taken aback if not puzzled by one of president trump's comments really really so nice and early on. donald trump wrapped up at the summit in singapore with an hour long news briefing killer bomp and talks us through what he said. they've agreed to four basic points that were in the document that was signed by the president the united states and the leader of north korea first they agreed to a new us d.p. r. k. relationship a new relationship between the two countries secondly they agreed to a lasting stable peace and working toward to facilitating

a lasting stable peace on the korean peninsula they agreed to to a commitment to denuclearization getting rid of nuclear weapons on the korean peninsula and finally they did agree to return the bodies of p.o.w.'s missing in action the bodies of american soldiers who had died during the korean war or the bodies of american soldiers in the korean peninsula those are the four points of agreement now speaking at his press conference following the meeting did clarify some things he first of all he said that they will not be lifting the sanctions until until there is a full denuclearization of the peninsula donald trump said he looked forward to lifting the sanctions but they will not be lifting the sanctions at the moment furthermore trump said they would be stopping the war games the military exercises that north korea has often said are very threatening to them and are essentially rehearsing for their destruction these military exercises will be stopped from said that they were very expensive and very provocative and from there we heard some

more talk about what would go on on the peninsula itself this is donald trump we're not readers are going to thing we're not reduce very little bit early for that we have to get things moving the sanctions will remain in effect we will be stopping the war games unless and until we see the the future negotiation is not going along like it should so you saying there that the the number of troops on the korean peninsula will not be reduced at the moment now they are donald trump talks about the previous administrations and their record in dealing with north korea and how to. difficult it was to make this meeting this historic meeting you know between two countries that have been basically at war with each other in a legal sense for the last sixty years how difficult it was to make this meeting happen this is donald trump talking about previous administrations and the difficulties they proceeded down

a path in the past and ultimately as you know nothing got done in one case they took billions of dollars during the clinton regime to billions of dollars and nothing happened that was a terrible thing and he actually brought it up to me i don't think they've ever had the confidence frankly in a president that they have right now for getting things done and having the ability to get things done well there's obviously a huge amount of optimism around the world in the aftermath of this is sturrock meeting however there are different voices asking how optimistic we really should be vocal recalling that donald trump did pull the u.s. out of the historic iran joint plan of action the nuclear deal other people are wondering exactly how this denuclearization is going to take place with the sanctions not yet being lifted with you know troops remaining on the peninsula the talks were first announced in march but last month kim voiced his anger over military drills between south korea and the u.s.

and threatened to call it off and then nine days later trump canceled the meeting accusing him of hostility but just the next day the white house said things were back on track on june first washington officially announced the summit were to go ahead. world powers have reacted positively to the talks china said history was made at the summit south korea hailed it as a new way forward and the e.u. foreign policy chief said the meeting showed that denuclearization of the korean peninsula is achievable japan those said pressure needs to be maintained on the north until concrete steps towards disarmament are seen asia analyst park know what wang told us what he expects to happen between washington and pyongyang there is a strong. trysts. mr trump thirty three i think what he's now doing is actually finding a middle way for ensuring america's national security by trying to get it would do you korea and we would if some strong effect on north korea along the way all the

talk now means even the nuclearization will not be completed do you know justice has fewer hands on puno from now on or iran has expressed skepticism over the talks the country's foreign ministry advised gang to be vigilant when dealing with trump after he pulled out of the two thousand and fifteen nuclear agreement with tehran. the u.s. administration's failure to honor its commitments to others particularly the j c p a as an international agreement endorsed by a un resolution makes is watch mr trump and america's behavior with much pessimism for now we cannot be optimistic about their behavior and i think the north korean government should deal with this issue very carefully the united states is not the sort of country that anyone can trust as the iranians and.