here. are. the welcome to worlds apart we may leave in the global village but every corner off this village is guarded by different polls on what one may or may not say public one man's truthteller has long become another man's bigot while public debate often comes down to have done alex rachel hurling insults rather than discussing policy

is it still possible to have a substantive conversation of those who disagree with you being mean to discuss that i'm now joined by katie hopkins a british journalist and media personality katie good to talk to thank you very much for your time thank you for seeing me now you're a pretty controversial person in your own country and many people consider you purposefully offensive and yet over the past few days that you've been here in russia in st petersburg you've only said nice things that have this country honestly is not very used to hearing nice things about itself are you being purposefully spiteful i saying all those things as a contrarian. people have been surprised by my reporting from st petersburg because i love this place i love the openness of it and it's been a real surprise to me we i think in the west in my personal view you know putin is painted as a. the. it's very much the monster's lair and people almost fifty actually of

coming to russia because there's this idea that it's somehow a frightening place and all i've been trying to present to people and show people i think is that it's only ever what i see or my truth and my truth from this place is that i love it i feel very safe here much safer than in london for example and i also find people here to be really russian first so they identify as russian to me and that's a real different from the country that i well let me pick up on that point because you had once specifically about st petersburg to rile a lot of people you describe the city as a place untouched by the myth of multiculturalism and deranged diversity and i'm sure you seen all those dozens of replies of people pointing out to you. most multicultural city in. the world that of course one hundred sixty nationalities have built by. the french and the buildings and the dutch name of one i mean we

also have a very vibrant muslim community who petitioned this our first mosque that is that you know i had it all i see that i get what people are saying i get them but when you come to some petersburg as an outsider and i'm an outsider it steals russian people if you speak to people in the street or with help but i speak to people in the street they identify as russian first you go to the u.k. you won't find any of that russian mean then after the. affiliation or it may mean a national affiliation so most of the different nationalities who will love to have in this city would also identify as russian i wonder if you given that so much maybe multiculturalism is not such a bad thing after all no because i don't buy your definition of multiculturalism at all and just because you have one most with five thousand people able to fit into it that does not in any way replicate the europe that i know i've just come from bell. baek in fact the jihad capital of europe where they have twenty two mosques

in a six kilometer square do you have miles or kilometers here kilometers yeah six kilometer square area twenty two mobs so it's very different for me where i live in terms of multiculturalism which is much more about monocultures who live in ghettos and shoulders it's a very different definition to the one that you might understand i actually want to discuss that but before we do that many of the three that you have posted have these hash tag putin brock's three yes which i find very ironic because here in russia you wouldn't be allowed by law to say or publish many things that you say about the muslims in particular because in this society we do prioritize social cohesion over and freedom of speech and that has been like that over many years i would even argue centuries and i think it only intensified under clinton do you still think your rocks. and rocks in many ways mostly sounds contrary to most of

your ideas i mean he he would be absolutely appalled by many of the things you're saying about spinors well i think you started out by saying you know we live in a society where we can disagree but still sit in the same room i don't mind if putin thinks many of my ideas of morally a poor that's absolutely his right to have his views i hold my views very clearly and very early for me i come from a country where there is an islamic takeover going on i come from a country where my dual to our daughters are targeted by islamic jihad this and that's not i'm not free to say any of the things i was very wrong i mean i understand why baguley wrote to me because for too long the west has painted him as a monster and i don't think it's acceptable any longer should he be back in the g. eight absolutely does he need to have sanctions against him no i don't i don't have a problem with putin in the way that other people seem to or maybe you have well i don't know if you follow statements. just last week he spoke again about the need

to relax immigration rules and russia he specifically pointed out that people of all religious and ethnic backgrounds should be welcomed especially if they have some connection to russia or the so-called russian world hugh says to be far more bullish on the me gratian particularly in muslim immigration than teresa mayes government does. you could be i don't know if you could down on you know if you could sort of cow submission to religion more than we have we have to facto sharia law in the u.k. right now we prevented the journalists from coming into our country on the basis of future hate speech as yeah unsaid that is a bizarre situation to live in so i think we have it in this country also has a very peculiar understanding of the speech but you know bring it back to the muslim immigration or any immigration for that matter. i think the difference is how our society is handling it and in this country it would not be considered

advisable to put people in high density neighborhoods they would be a great not only required to integrate but the state would actually facilitate that i don't know on that you and i completely agree you know i've seen multiple examples in the no go zones that i've visited across europe where migrants are all packed away into the suburbs it never works it creates a situation where there's them and us if you go to sweden if you go to belgium if you go to parts of london there's parts of london sweden belgium you can't walk anymore if you're a western woman and you have your hair uncovered you'll be spotted at and called white trash that's never going to work and if you have a system here where you are able to integrate of course that's going to work much better but we don't have multiculturalism it's what i was explaining to you we have a system of monocultures living in ghettos that's very different now much of precious immigration comes from the so called stance kazakstan to beckett's. and

you're a famous or infamous for referring to london as londonistan which you have to agree carries some pejorative connotation pejorative oh yes well it sounds. the reason i called london last little of the star is because to me it's completely fallen to the control of the muslim arab their city can he is spectacularly useless at his job under city can there are some statistics that i'm sure neither you nor i could argue about in the sense that of murder rate is now higher than new york in the sense that our staff rate is just going up by twenty five percent in the number of acid attacks that are happening sixty moped attacks a day with hammers and machetes that's life in london is start under the muslim and what i see from that is the lack of control a lack of law and order a political islam religion and politics are integrated and people vote according to their faith and that is not democracy for what you describe it in to

have to be free of the control regime and your situation policies and yet the way you express it is pejorative and then larger broader sense because stance stance mean countries not on cd why do you say london is a country that a christian idea when i said it is pejorative yes i'm making their faith and you are mocking other countries rather than the u.k. authorities who are our no reason why you are mocking the muslim man and the country that he's built there where eighty nine ninety five percent of some areas of i think about tower hamlets knew him eighty ninety percent muslim population that does not reflect multiculturalism that is not a multicultural country or city and when he speaks he speaks only for london and yet he appears to speak for the u.k. of someone like myself who comes from a place called the rest of the u.k. it's an. frustrating but. i think you do understand that when you refer

to londonistan people may draw conclusions about yourself without hearing your argument first because i think that this point if you were making about important monoculture is yet to exist in isolation this is a very valued valued and under discussed point in my field it's a real sociological issue that has to be studied and yet that's that issue seems to be brushed under the table because people take a fancy to you don't you think that the style of your presentation undermines the very valid argument you're making not for mine money because you know there is a part from the kind of social study of monocultures that i think you sort of parrot it and that's what i've done the work i've done in sweden insistently in all of the no go zones that i visit i do actually want to see come to be out i want him out of office i want to champion getting. referring to london as i think

we spend far too much time to toeing around issues these days i think it's one of the reasons i think your line of questioning is good because you come straight to the point and it's very much the star that i use with my commentary specially if you use the format like twitter you haven't got forty five minutes to check around the subject you've got a few words to make your own due respect i would never compare anyone to cockroaches i think you can find a more. expressive metaphor i mean i know this this whole controversy about the i think it was very fair i think i think you're undermining the column which still stands today twenty fourteen if you bring it up i'm going to talk about it twenty fourteen i wrote a column that compared migrants across the med to cope with it to give it reference cockroaches i said they're like cockroaches because they haven't in june they seemed to be able to survive no matter what we were taught in schools the only creature that nuclear holocaust is. which is that still applies today and still the

question is are you hearing about the right you know it's of words rather than the issue you were trying to raise as we stop the boats no fifty nine hundred thirty two my reaction is well i'm king whether he was in cockroach was a nice way i mean i mean while you are right which is tell me where me resilience fish al gore well where you could compare them to my question els and miles that would be a bizarre way of writing copy and very poor english but let me ask you a question the aquarius with i think it's six hundred thirty two it could be nine hundred thirty two i apologize for not knowing let's say six hundred thirty two migrants on board it has nowhere to dock it's really just said no we won't have you tell me what would you do about that if you broke it you own it it was in part western and primarily u.k. policy that created the massively bit and if you created that mess in those neighborhoods you should expect certain representations for yourself. which court

was really won't while you guys have to chip in as well. but that's no solution so why is it why is it not solution just so you can stay current foreign country or to send your special forces there to hold a live there and then refuse to accept them we shouldn't be running ferry boats across the med that's a no you are a common occurrence lady and what you're trying to tell me is that causes don't have consequences here simply trying to wish them away and i don't think that's a commonsense solutions serialize i think your overlooking this idea that people say they're running from something they're fleeing something in my opinion and it seems surprising to me i would think is a moment suggest uprising to you why is it these young men of fighting age are running away but if it's that terrifying why do they have you know women have eventually i've been on the coast of southern italy trying to get those and i can tell you did they i did they leave their women and children behind if it's so terrified of that look at lots of my question well because first of all many of them are not married that most of the people. migrate into europe so just the young

men come here as it's so scary libya they leave the women behind really just all they managed to bring is their mobile phone really yes that we're really yes because we completely disagree well we certainly disagree on that but don't you think that i mean i understand your point on immigration but don't you think that by arguing this line of argument you're also absolving your own government of its responsibilities because it's deep contribute to the mass and you recognize that and the argument on syria for example you know this is where you get government policies and this illusion is not to bring people on ferryboats run to buy run but charts and so on so many this is a delusion country solution just as in syria and other migrant camps we've suggested facilitating in countries solution because of course you don't want to go down the money for the happy even you can already hear it about allocating money for that if you have additional monies oh no then so it's not enough to avoid bills that n.g.o.s are setting not to bring those people to our countries and i think the

aquarius and n.g.o.s that are running the ferry service i think it's utterly irresponsible and all that it does is encourages more people to come and potentially lose their lives on the meds and that seems to be the opposite of what you would want to happen well let's take a very short break now but we'll be back in just a few seconds. on. this and rather trendy over the past few years to talk about the new world order fair enough the recent g seven columns in canada introduce a solution to engage north korea for just two weeks samples pax americana is undergoing a significant transformation. with this manufacture consent to instant. public will. when the really close is

protect themselves. with the flaming. lips and be the one percent. we can all middle of the room sit. in the. room. welcome back to worlds apart with katie hopkins british journalist and media personality katie just before the break we were talking about multiculturalism and i want to repeat the point that you made earlier that you believe that the u.k. hasn't been able to achieve with what you have as. ghettos of individual cultures

times rather than you know true diversity of the. mixing of various cultures and yet you also wrote in your book and you made that point over and over again many of your interviews that you wouldn't let your kid play with anyone who isn't called. nigel don't know it let alone. isn't that the very attitude off various cultural ghettos this was less of a cultural thing in the sense of different ethnic backgrounds this is my experience from going to a state school in the u.k. and you could tell i had this kind of idea as a mom doing the school run you could tell what the kids would be like by its name and i still stand by that so names that i hear tyler are it'll be destiny the only these kind of names you know no mention of any muhammad well muhammad if you think about it in the u.k. and it's shocking to me the number one name in the u.k. is muhammad the number two name in the u.k. so much. and i find that from

a demographic perspective it's very frightening that actually by twenty fifty they'll be more muslim in the u.k. than there will be british births and i find that actually quite distressing you know i have a kid who is born into a muslim father he's four years old called moment he his name is different it don't know how many it is a muslim name but is it it is not mohammed that it is a muslim name i wonder well i mean i would have called him mohammad there but that everyone is called mohammed so how do you know who's your. oh i think in a rush i would have left their problem finding mohammad you a question if you have a list of how but first let me ask you a question would you ban your kids from playing with my kid because he has. as long as he had i mean it wasn't really done on names alone i could tell what a kid would be like with their names but it was about the fact that they were maybe would turn up to school without a home what they turn up without the right uniform they don't have the mammas that i prefer for my children and i am. muslim families are not as. it was never about

muslim families it was about the types of families that i met in the school playground and the types of moms i was a particularly keen on whatever we say we all know the mums that we like and the mums that we don't like i was just really honest about it but regardless of whether you were referring to a british kid or a muslim kid isn't that a fundamentally christian thing to say because you know you talk i don't know any area she finished things in my life i am not a good ambassador for the christian religion and i think that a lot about christian values and painting the you know i'm just criticizing my size because like if you see any of the stuff that i've done i mean i think many christians would want to distance themselves from me entirely but what i noticed about people with strong beliefs particularly here in st petersburg you know it's a joy to be surrounded by so many christian churches by the also talks people that believe so strongly ninety percent of people here i guess he. finished the second. thing i really think about the christian faith i mean what people in south

africa are being persecuted is there's a real belief in god in the land and people need something to believe in and i really respect that even though i'm about christianity let me correct you a little bit because going to try creates that this is one of the most atheists you know about that so you want well the very christian feeling city well let me ask me why do we want the i.r.s. or the beholder but if you actually pull people at me or is it your question so you have a muslim husband right you know let me ask you a question. for him islam is so fantastic why did muslims always flee to christian countries i wonder why because christian countries or western countries to be more precise tend to send troops to their countries destroy their balls and then it kind of them out of their neighbor constructs why because why come to christian countries why not go to saudi or another muslim country well because saudi does saudi arabia actually prevents. that muslim neighbors from going

there and are they in the government over the years why he decided to prevent migrants going there look i'm not an ambassador for the for the saudi government but i was very very why you don't get is you know it is a repressive government isn't it because christians are free and tolerant and open and this is not the very thing that muslims try and change when they arrive in a country that's my question and my challenge in the u.k. when you when you say that i don't have an answer i don't see all around when when you actually open tolerant welcoming and they'd like people to practice religion and then they try and take over and here you actively and publicly advocate for the rejection for the shining of children for the ostracizing and of children based on then me yes and you call that tolerant an open door i'm not saying i've said a million times i'm not a great ambassador for being christian but i'm asking you why do muslims always seem to come to christian countries and then want to take over what i thought they're actually going to ask her because many western can. wage wars on my wife

goes out that why not go out why not go to another country where it's when your house or the home when you have a kid on your hands and you try to find any refuge literally you would go across the back mediterranean even if you don't know how to swim you would do anything possible for you. and your although we don't see any women and children on the boat we deceived you even though i would agree that the primarily six hundred twenty something on the equator is eleven children we don't see many women and children i promise you while i have reported extensively from the ground both and we've been serious and believe me i also i think you could afford me some credibility and there are i'm not where they'll start over the children in desperate conditions but it is more difficult for them to move around that's for sure now. i want you long enough to conclude that there are some issues that are very close to your heart that i think you believe in passionately and yet there are those things that you seem to be if they're out there out there for controversy just simply propel your

argument can you yourself tell one from the other i think it's trite to imagine that i say things just to be controversial and you would not withstand the level of attacks of police harassment of detention of having my passport taken of social services being called on my children my family being under threat of having to jihad these plot to behead me in nov twenty seventh i don't believe you would withstand those levels of people trial trying to finance you if you didn't believe what you said it may convince you or not i'm not seeking to i'm only trying to give people an understanding of what it's like to try and speak freely and openly with my views which are known for being very strong so you would have to really question yourself why would i do this if i didn't really believe what i say and i believe my country can be better i believe in donald trump but i believe japan russia and

america are going to be the three leaders that fight back against the globalist so that's my kind of part of my infusion of the putin here as well you mention the silencing of dissenting view yeah i totally hear your i personally have been looked into by a couple of times but i would at least agree with you that there is a political censorship or a liberal political censorship going on in a number of western countries but when i hear certain views again and postulating that children could be mistreated because of that names that's that's that's not that is not a fair summary of what i've said i don't know that it's not a fair summary of what i said i said i would invite certain children to my house if you know it's not me. i don't know when you are feeling rejected it feeling rejected is a pretty painful for a child i can tell you from my own experience i'm pretty sure had that experience yourself in your life so when you say that certain children are not to be engaged

families to be looked down to and you know healing that point. there's plenty of other arguments we could have apart from a child children's names anyway when you raise an issue like that some people may indeed support the argument for a certain degree of censorship don't you think that by laying out something as controversial as we just discussed you're actually providing motive i just i think it is really i mean it's really a new political arena really fast and i think the reason i have so much support the reason i have a close to a million followers on twitter the reason the articles i put on most read and most viewed is because people identify with the things i'm saying because what we no longer have in the society of people that will tell the truth to power and i'm not a tool frightened of that i'm not at all frightened of saying we need my country back we should not be bound down to people who say there is no difference on things

very much difference between criticizing your government on irresponsible migration policy or size aren't talking about children oh i don't even know there isn't is just not in discussing this not as a mayor in stone deserve to be parents that they aren't good enough parents also but how you treat you just taking offense on behalf of other people many people agree with me and disagree with you that's also ok we can be relaxed about it and but i don't understand why do you have to because you know we are only ever seriously very passionate why do you have to mix your various i don't know in our home a wife i'm a pretty poor christian i'm a traveler i'm an anti immigrant kind of personality i believe in politics and many things i'm not just the kind of person that sits in front a camera a big part of who i. am is a mom and the moms who don't really deserve to be moms because they don't bring their children up properly since our time is running out i do want to ask you one more question about censorship i know that you are very concerned about the tommy

robinson case a very swift sentencing and jailing of a person for their reporting on a politically sensitive case in defiance of a court order and a majority pakistani muslim. from what i know of the british system has a long tradition of legal precedents do you fear that you yourself with the views that you hold may find yourself in a similar legal situation i imagine are probably on top of the list now for being imprisoned for my views and what concerns me about tom ronson not people say well he was contempt of court he shouldn't be reporting now i understand all that i think the two key questions are or where was the swift justice for the majority pakistani muslim paedophile gangs when tommy robertson was sentence in five hours to thirteen months and secondly i see it very much you have the scriptural case here or there was an alleged to have poisoned individuals on u.k.

soil i don't see any difference between this cripple case with putin and what our government has done to tommy rope and they put him in prison he will not survive in prison one guard lets the most of gangs into his cell he's done so i think the british government is no better than putin in any regard because it silences political people that it doesn't like to hear just in the same way that it's alleged that putin did it so we are no better than russia if you are concerned that you may be next is that going to change the way you know not at all your authority if i am imprisoned for my views then it seems to me it's not the truth teller that will be in the wrong it will be the also rootie and i would hope that there will be . we knew of the outspoken individuals like myself that will come and fill my shoes and i will write a new book i guess the group behind bars well they've been pleasure talking to you

thank you very much for your time and courage are yours to keep this conversation going in our social media pages and for me hope to see you again same place same time here in the worlds apart.

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