in this summit and i think there's reasons to doubt that it will ever be achieved don't you think business reasons for hope of course there and this is very this really is important larry and i'm glad you asked that diplomatic talks are always better than conflict i think that what a lot of americans are wrestling with is the the trust gap with this president right the notion that he might sit and talk with kim does that really reflect a foreign policy or does that reflect donald trump trying to seek a certain place in history that perhaps others haven't had it's not that the latter is wrong but it reflects a lack of substance there was no preparation going into this if you were to ask donald trump today since he has met with kim what he meet with rouhani what he meet with the cuban regime what he meet with assad this is not a president prepared to talk about the complexities of foreign policy when it comes to the actual threats we face on the world stage broad's obama proposes the same thing he said he would meet with north korea without preconditions and most

republicans slammed. we're one of those republicans who slammed obama the. you know i know that i question the president's policies when it came to iran for very much the same reasons i don't recall a similar instance with north korea but look when barack obama approach working with iran the question wasn't whether or not we trusted the american president the question was whether or not we trusted the foreign adversary i for one did not i do not trust rouhani i do not trust iran in this case i don't trust north korea and i don't trust kim jong un the president has decided to place his trust in the dictator who we know is one of the greatest human rights violators of our time perhaps the president is correct in placing his trust in him we should all hope for peace but there are reasons domestically within the the american political system to question the president's judgment in this case you know a lot of people dislike donald trump in the united states and whether that's fair

or not that should not inform our assessment of his policy decisions but distrust is a fair question whether or not people trust this president when it comes to competence and his ability to reach deals is an open question for a lot of americans a lot of people support the president but a lot of people question one of the twenty eighteen elections. nothing at all i think it does anything it him though i think it emboldens people who believe donald trump truly is right on everything the republicans who consider him one of the greatest republican presidents in history those numbers reflect that but i think for those who oppose the president it is over issues that in many ways are are different than what we're seeing on the world stage as matters of trust is matters of whether or not this is a president who treats the institutions of government in the same way that past presidents have i think all americans can wish for peace we can wish for

a reduction in conflict but i don't think the president's going to get a bump out of what comes out of the north korea summit who was once said in the big alexion in the united states is the economy stupid if that's the answer would the u.s. unemployment rate down to three point eight percent the lows since two thousand it gets credits to that doesn't look like he's the favorite to be reelected. you know there are a lot of people who will vote on whether they think we're going in the right direction or the wrong direction and for those people the economy as you said is as bill clinton's campaign rightly noted is the preeminent decider for a lot of people i think the president his election if you will is do a lot of credit for this macro economic confidence recognized for coming off an obama administration that approached regulation in a way that really crimp corporate profits really cramped and poignant

a lot of critics of donald trump would suggest he hasn't done much different but i will tell you that the corporate confidence is a direct reflection the fact that this president has come in and said we're going to reduce regulations we're going to increase profitability and as a result we're going to reduce unemployment and create greater jobs that is a macro economic trend that yes this president deserves credit for one of the issues that the president will have to wrestle with whether it happens or not and whether he can affect it or not is there's a difference between economic growth and wage growth if if american people are paying more for their health insurance if they're paying more for gas prices if they're not actually seeing their take home wages go up we've just seen the fed increase interest rates which will increase payments on credit cards and on mortgages does that affect a voter's mindset at the end of the day this president is presiding over a growing economy and that is a tailwind for him that should speak very favorably politically for his reelection effort. in order gloomy and let it go senior white house shoots issues some don't

trim foreign policy doctrine as we're america. what's your reaction to that. he represents a certain hollow nationalism that has infected the republican party in the past ten years and it's unfortunate we all take pride in our home countries we certainly do as americans donald trump has seized on that from little issues like whether or not football players stand for the national anthem to whether or not we're getting a fair deal the deal on trade to whether or not he's going to increase the defense budget in some cases those are real policy differences from past presidents but what he is really selling is this isolationist approach to foreign policy it's a dangerous game to play larry it is certainly rings true with a lot of people particularly in middle america who believe in the strength of the country and we don't want to lead from behind that question and are skeptical of

these international alliances but the president also has to be very careful what he has done to those international alliances freedom has been withstood not just because the united states but because of our allies as well the president has to be very careful with how he has offended some of those allies and his first sixteen eighteen months david jolley is all those things feel. good to be with you larry thank you while the president victory lap on north korea rumblings about the chaotic nature of his presidency and unhappiness among his staff continue at home an article in sunday's new york times called stevens day of john kelly calling the white house a miserable place to work and reports that he's questioning how much longer he and others devils can go on working who is president and sort about all is with chris whipple award winning journalist author of the new york times bestseller the gate keepers how the white house chief of staff define every presidency and that has now

been out in paperback including a new chapter on the trump presidency he joins us from new york. in terms chris of how that some white house reads in the term presidency is being defined what do you take away from the singapore summit well you know it's the latest example of how this is a president for home process and discipline are anathema you know chris hill the former negotiator described this as speed dating you know the walk up to the to the actual summit somebody else said that well now maybe it was more like internet dating where the guy who shows up is shorter than he looked in his picture but in any event it was it was absolutely unprecedented clearly you know none of the details had been worked out and at the end of the day you had the president of the united states giving an awful lot away in return for quite frankly an empty

pledge it's just not clear what denuclearization would be it's not clear how we would ever get there and it's frankly looks like a. gaudy photo op but all of the difficulty tales lie ahead we used to prize that will happen that the g. seven summit. yes and no i mean this is donald trump is a human wrecking ball that's that's been his style and it's certainly. you know look at work for him. on the twenty sixth floor of trump tower at work for him in the campaign i don't think it serves him well as president and again to go back to my area of expertise i just think that donald trump desperately needs his own version chief of staff of a james a baker the third somebody who can walk into the oval office close the door

and tell them hard truths and one of those truths would be these are our closest allies this does you no good whatsoever. you know hold your hold your fire instead of attacking justin trudeau in a fit of pique on air force one. to say that you can only performance and chief of staff in the past what do you make of the new york times report these called the white house a miserable place to work well i guess we should take his word at it for it you know remember when he said that taking the job might have been god's punishment. leon panetta told him to go out and buy a big bottle of scotch right at the beginning it's a thankless tough twenty four seven job even in the best of circumstances this is a difficult challenge for any chief of staff in fairness to kelly but i do think

he's failed not only to manage up with donald trump but to some extent he's failed to manage down you know in a in a functioning white house with an empowered white house chief of staff who really acts as an honest broker people within the west wing feel that their voices are heard they feel that they're there they're vested they're invested in decision making and you have an happier shop. stay right there we'll have more politicking right after this break.

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destabilize the global economy you need to protect yourself and get in for a while because we've put. that. her mother. was. an engine. dancer don't consume don't tell you that in talking to her don't say they're in the single month on the bus and not at equal forty times isn't entirely consistent sneak that can manage and. don't be done to tell him to. move it up to us all this is unnecessary.

when you also see that actually us agree some paris the us weekly's on iran and paws all of that if i'm kinda aloof from north korea i will think five times before find something worth trying because i don't know if the guy's going to keep his promise that in the first place. looking back to politicking i'm talking to chris whipple general soon author of the new york times bestseller the gatekeepers how the white house chief of staff to the presidency which is now by the way out in paperback the turnover in this white house is among the highest in modern history the former chief strategist steve benen says this is how trump governs and this is his super power drama action

emotional power. how do you well back to that you know it through it it works it works in the campaign and maybe it worked on the twenty sixth floor of trump tower as i suggested before it doesn't work in the white house you can't really run the white house effectively without empowering a white house chief of staff to execute your agenda and tell you most importantly tell you what you don't want to hear donald trump has failed to do that even though general kelly by all accounts has made the trains run on time and made the white house more efficient i still would say that donald trump desperately needs someone like a leon panetta or a jim baker who can walk into the oval office close the door and tell him hard truths and there's no evidence so far that trump has wanted someone like that around how long will john kelly be around will he be here through the midterms

that's a great question larry i don't have a crystal ball i think this is kind of like a bad marriage where the two where the partners have agreed to kind of muddle through for a while hard to know how long it would last i think donald trump would benefit from having new blood in that position and so i think he could use a new chief of staff. but so far i think trump is willing to muddle through i'm not sure that he has anybody else in mind and not easy to find another jim baker or leon panetta to step into that role someone you direct command i can't give you a name larry because it's as i say those guys are few and far between so it's hard to imagine but i think that he needs to find somebody.