where i hope he's successful he seems to have had some success so far he's trying to establish a degree of a poor and to schmooze the guy and hoping that that will bring him along and will be able to make progress so let's see how that plays out i think so far he's been doing a pretty good job on the korean issue even some democrats are beginning to realize that although belatedly george i i am one hundred percent behind donald trump. my engagement of north korea absolutely if that's what it takes for peace that i'm on but i'm on board ok and i just hope that it's not sabotaged by even his own people around him i worry more about who is around the zero in the oval office then and then who was in singapore george. yes yes the that's exactly so i don't think anyone is going to sabotage the north korea deal within the administration simply because north korea has now become trumps baby and it is either very preoccupied

with this you know he and he this is going to be here is the reagan and gorbachev moment you know you once this is his historic moment that he's going to do something that no one else has done but you have to balance that with his policy on iran because on the on iran he is far more belligerent than his predecessors were and he seems to be moving towards a very serious confrontation there i mean he has a few more conciliatory things about iran in recent days but they're i don't think it's very likely that they'll be any change there and similarly i think in the case of syria i think we can expect more belligerence from the united states there's a while yes he's doing a good job on korea when it comes to the middle east i think it's that he's being more belligerent than his predecessors you know michael is it because trump doesn't really care about the middle east he thinks let the israelis and the saudis figure it out for him because north korea is that his nobel prize that's him that's all

about him he's taken this he's taken on board i mean it seems you could do in terms of doubt way because i mean his behavior in the middle east is in my opinion just disastrous go ahead michael before we go to the break. yeah i don't you and i have disagreed on this before appear but smart people can do that sure i think the is his embracing of the arabs against the persians if you can go back to the ancient descriptions is trying to move the geo political center of the middle east back to the arab side away from its hungry and and formally aggressive neighbors and i think the difference between korea and iran very quickly is because iran exports its pain korea in internalizes most of its pain except for an occasional threat to blow somebody up and so i think that you can take korea and iran in very different sips but both of them are being dealt with fairly aggressively by this administration and i think i think successfully thus far well we haven't come any closer in our disagreement on that all right gentlemen we're going to go to

a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on the old world order state with our. money to the stable boy tonight. we can. show them the movies because i'm on the scene in. which this.

is not. when a loved one is murder it's natural to seek the death penalty for the murder i would prefer it be on the death penalty just because i think that's the fair thing the right thing research shows that for every nine executions one convict is found innocent the idea that we were executing innocent people was terrifying those just moon doesn't mean that we're even many victims' families want the death penalty to be abolished the reason we have to keep the death penalty here is because that's what murder victims' families want that's going to give them peace that's going to give them justice and we come in and say. not quite you know we've been through

this this isn't the way. i think. russia took a real blow to its sense of self during the yeltsin years i remember even six years ago when i first came here people kept apologizing to me for how terrible everything was that this wasn't like america and for people to be ashamed of their country was so different and now i don't really see that i see people are more proud of their country and i think putting his years stalin in particularly the great patriotic war and the victory there as a way to inspire nationalistic pride and. welcome back across like we're all things are considered i'm peter bell to remind you we're discussing the old world order.

ok let me go back to john in washington i think one thing that is clear that i don't think we are there's really much disagreement about. is that donald trump seems to be almost obsessed with undoing obama's legacy ok i'm just putting that out there ok so john i mean if trump is juxtaposing his foreign policy to his the his predecessor what work what are the confines and you've met already mentioned that it's more realistic i would agree with that ok but what does trump want to achieve in his first four years in office because presumably he wants to be there for eight what kind what's trump world look like let's say after eight years go ahead john. well i think i think we've already covered some of that but yeah he he wants to distance himself from his predecessors and to make his own mark not just distance from obama but even republic recent republican presidents so

i think trump is much more numerous he is able to tally up costs and benefits and maybe a tendency to look at things in zero sum terms and he relies much more on feel on charisma. and deal with his perceived dealmaking ability and so he's prepared to strike new directions and in the case of the korean problem i think this is long overdue the policy of strategic patience i think was abysmal failure and i'm actually surprised that some of the people who are behind this policy are showing up now and criticizing trump's initiative so i think he's done a great job on korea and let's let's hope he can pull it off now there was a reluctance among the japanese but i think they've accommodated themselves to that prime minister obvious policy is beginning to shift in the direction of trump and

of course in south korea he has a progressive president and who is very supportive of what he's trying to do so who knows maybe we'll get progress on the korean issue which is the most pressing security issue in the world right now i would argue. george or john just mentioned charisma i mean i if i remember my mom. very well you know i thought charisma died in maternity i think this is a this is one of the i just think i think it's a fascinating now it's a fascinating point because that's why the rest of the world doesn't understand him they don't understand him because he is a correspondent figure because europeans and their postmodern is my i couldn't see charisma if it had been the face going that george. yes you know you're absolutely right about the the next wave of because it was after it was john f. kennedy that there was reintroduce that charisma and so on the people were thinking

back on that relaxed way that. so yeah i think that's right that he is a somebody who is a charismatic figure and he's a you and he does want to shake things up but you could also look at the on the other side he is consolidating the russia china block and really you know he has campaigned essentially that he hadn't said it explicitly to break up that russia china block whether that's feasible or not that that's a different matter but he wanted to break that up because you know in the he has i think has a sort of that next only a real as them about him which is that this is a this is a bad thing for america when russia and china close together so what is dial doing is is pushing the two of them together and he you know he's done nothing in order to to improve relations with russia. and everything that he's doing now particularly when he's actually hitting the europeans for having the temerity to

get their gas cheaper from russia than from america that's only going to. be american blog exactly exactly you know the horror they want to get a better deal oh my goodness my god i'm glad george brought that i'm glad george brought that up because i i you may know more about this than i do but my sense is that steve bannon was kind of an influence on trump out ways that you know the u.s. and and russia shouldn't be enemies maybe they won't be great friends but they shouldn't be enemies but believing that they could pull russia and china apart in two thousand eight hundred i think is kind of naive now that train has left the station it's not going to go but we have to remind our viewers because west western media won't do it who is meeting during the g s. seven halfway around the world the chinese and the russians ok at the same time that i lament that very much i think this whole ridiculous russia gate thing has derailed relations maybe for a generation and and i find it lamentable and john can speak to this i mean how the

mainstream media and the democrats have just you know just gone into trying for this north korean thing if it doesn't work it doesn't work but by god history's going to remember that he tried he's not going have a chance to try with russia michael go ahead. yeah i i don't know that i agree with george completely i don't know if trump is bent on separating china and russia as much as he's bent on joining them together perhaps our interests in north korea are virtually identical and i think that was the reason for the china russia meeting at the same time while the singapore meeting was going on much of the same discussion was going on in that meeting and the chinese had very very successful and conciliatory moves to help with his policies with regard to their boat the deployment of military forces. trump has recently asked for russia to be re entered to the g seven making the ga the g eight post water whatever it is and is regularly

saying well the three things about germany he although they struggle over over trade and other issues i think there is an understanding that by the trump of ministration that there is some interest in having equal trade partners and if you call we's think of trump in the focus of trade and trade deals his it is conciliation or his bluster as it may be from one day the next about these guys is about making the deal yet more than about having permanent relations or permanent enemies that's a very that's a very fair point you know john one of the things the this is where the when i started out with america first in the in the in the liberal order see michael just hit the nail on the head i mean this is ministration is very focused on the balance sheet when we get out of it see but america's allies either an envelop did or absorbed it or you know i don't know they think in terms of values all the time

western values all the time and they're not practiced very well the european union is not particularly democratic ok so i have a lot of these populist movements come in the fact that trump was elected also talks about how people feel about the country i mean we had the the democratic primary rigged i mean you know did democracy and all these other things people talk about it's a lot of it is hypocrisy and that's why trump if you agree with disagree them in a way is kind of a breath of fresh air because you know where you stand all the time go ahead john. i think the main problem with. the mainstream u.s. approach to foreign policy is the absence of self reflection i agree let me give you a quick example everyone's talking about the north korean gulag and oh my god they have. so many people in jail no one ever thinks to look at the comparative dimension of this the there is almost almost one percent of

the u.s. population is incarcerated it's the highest rate in the world now they stick around for a long time they don't die off so i suppose you could you could say that in defense of u.s. prison policy but we're very quick to condemn other countries and never really suffer reflect what is the matter in our system so i think that. i give trump credit. reluctant to say this too much because i was brought up as a democrat i've been a registered democrat all my life but this is a kind of crossover leader and i think he is attracting as maybe it was george that said this he says attracting crossover voters so let's see what happens if he makes a go of korea i think he's got

a second term ok and i think it's that simple oh i think it's still going to be the economy but if he can go on the campaign trail walking around with that medal that nobel prize with a medal maybe that'll impress some people here i know some of his base is interested in that you know george i'm really glad that you know we're talking about this dimension of it because you know north korea is gulags and all that i mean what about beheading and stoning of people in saudi arabia i mean that doesn't really make any news in the united states i mean if you're an expert in the field you'll know about that it never makes the mainstream news i mean the virtual genocide is being committed in yemen and western countries are involved in that never is ever mention but you know and that day and that's not to dismiss human rights violations in north korea but this is what they the liberals in the media always do they always attach these other things on that's why i am a proponent of the iran deal it was about one thing and one thing only it could have been a demonstration effect for other things later unfortunately that's where i disagree

with the current president go ahead george. yes yes yes that's exactly so so whenever american talking heads and policy makers pundits come along and say whoa we americans we really care so much about values they only have a care about values about certain countries the countries that are regarded as adversaries of the united states so suddenly we really really care about human rights in north korea couldn't care less about human rights in saudi arabia human rights in. in the yemen i mean is israel can kill any number of people who are getting gaza and nikki haley would just shrug their shoulders and say it was all the fault of hamas and iran so you know it's human rights is only ever brought up as a not as i know the cultural to be perceived adversaries of the united states and i thought well trump is refreshing live free of all this can't about human rights in

the list still comes up with this nonsense when it comes to talking about iran and of course you remember what he talks about syria remember all those beautiful babies and it was terrible that assad is an animal murdering beautiful little babies so he's also not free from this kind of emotional moralistic rhetoric but if but the police on career he has been refreshing the free of the right let me get let me go let me go to michael last word your dip a trump supporter the last thirty seconds go to you my friend. i agree and i disagree with george i think trump in finding his feet in the white house had a lot of influence on him and i think a lot of it was good a lot of it was bad and i think as he progresses he's going to be less talking about the beautiful babies although i also cringed when you were when you said that because you're right but i think you're going to have more real politic talk about

real interactions with real countries as opposed to the. oh show you are a well acted by you to fade sort of about it's official on this program the new world order started thank you gentlemen we've run out of time many thanks to my guests in washington and in new york thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r.t.c. next time and remember. when you also see that action the u.s. agrees on paris the us weekly's on iran and pose all of that if i'm can do a little from north korea i will think five times before i sign up something with trump because i don't know if the guy's going to keep his promise that in the first place. a plate for many flips over the years so i know the game and so i got. the ball

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the fifth world cup here in russia russia's five nil. sees the host nation's fans there are up with joy. was. we go three games this friday will bring you unique insight with us. and correspond . away from the headlines this morning donald trump has reportedly admitted crimea to be russian during a private dinner at the g. seven summit in canada last week. he hears from an attorney representing the family

of a terror attack victim he claims to have an account of the assault. from an anonymous police source that sheds new light on events in twenty fifty. good morning from moscow this fifteenth of june just turned eleven am here now my name is kevin owen you're watching out the international and the twenty eight hundred fifty four will cough up. off to a glorious start for host russia last night the five nil thrashing of saudi arabia in the opening match electrified supporters across the country and set the stage that for the rest of the tournament now the focus shifts to the southern resort city of sochi today and one of the most anticipated matches of the championship portugal v spain.

but before we get to that the world cup started last night with that grand opening ceremony british pop star robbie williams performing there brazil's top player an elder was there along with a small boy took the first kick of the tournament it was a real huge nights be in moscow. right. up at that hour. but

it's just so friendly and welcoming and i mean it's as good as we were hoping that you'd be in the top russian hackers to get you home but you're expecting it. will warm up in there like. that. for me with. some of the love you come up with that. i so fee for says nearly seventy thousand cans the fans own here in moscow on thursday the every city hosting the tournament got one supporters who can get tickets for the matches can watch the games there enjoy some special events and bin laden for them little cups already reached the u.n. security council in new york splendid diplomats showing up at the h.q. in new york wearing their respective national. kit's bit of a kick around too they posed for an impromptu kick about with the secretary general

and sony of good cheer is acting as referee again the ambassadors with it to watch the opening ceremony of the game between russia and saudi arabia no talking about the only much itself throughout the evening my colleague andrew farmer and r.t.e. star co-host peter schmeichel and just simmering you gave a play by play breakdown. yes hello again i am five three different russian i have a magical start here i'm off base the way the saudis believe me came with me now to talk about it is that peter schmeichel for my money and i can help people and also money and i could manage it chasing really i think it's face to face in the face of pressure but this is exactly what russia needed and it's going to do so much good for for the holiday and it's for the atmosphere around the russian team i mean i've

been traveling around russian off six months and it's very little positive i've heard about the team they have now won five of those and they've convinced people that they can actually play football and compete at this level and i hope the russians are not like the portuguese because for us the distance between super optimistic and pessimistic is very strong and i think that they didn't have reasons for be so pessimistic but now i'm a bit like like people say it's easy because of course is a great result of course maybe one volt becomes crucial one knows for egypt and russia to finish with four points which is very possible to happen.

for the tournament second matches a heavyweight clash between spain and portugal that's taking place in sochi. friday i mean yeah it was a hit a little earlier as you know and he made a prediction saying about portugal against spain this is what he said. portugal in spain no freshman at all because they know that both are going to qualify so i can imagine a fantastic match between dupion champion. researchers say probably the best team after time i wouldn't be surprised with any result at all i think portugal can win against spain i think spain of course they can win again portugal

and the draw will be more than a normal result i think they are. two very good teams spain probably a better team than us. last solutions better swards. but portugal is quite a solid team i think better than the team that one day you will see more talented young players in the team. so i think probably the group phase one of the best matches if it can become now william are both nations sports pundit and former goalkeeper for stride to tell us how he sees his team's chances for the tony we had a difficult qualifying campaign we had to go through the playoffs we played syria in a playoff and basically syria hit the post in the last minute if they'd scored that goal they would have went through then we played on their wrist and beat them quite convincingly then the manager resigned and also called us australian before he resigned just out of the blue. stepped in he's only had the team maybe for three months in total he said ok but they mean turkey look it's going to be very very

difficult i think it's france that we saw in two thousand and six the same got to last sixteen australia's best record ever in two thousand and ten they got knocked out of the first round but they had the same points as two thousand and six only difference being the goal difference i've been in game two thousand and six we won three one i've been in game two thousand and ten against germany last fall neil said this game against france is going to be. absolutely everything for us we're going to have to leave it there thank you very much idea thank you for this program to somebody else but it just to give you an idea how big these guys i'm not a hoax i'm just really. cool . as well as the actual want to give you some of the boxing stuff as well the old me much and also a very special moment for one particular russian girl her name account of a she's not fleetwood down syndrome that she was the one who got to flip the coin

to start the match huge moment is part of her story. that really you. just going to love it when you think she. was right. i mean i personally would like to hear you believe it's. just sort of stick out your charade. that i'm going to. keep it up that i should be able to. get you to look. like you know you care because they're. ok.

cool. good so all international teams now in russia preparing for their first games here's what some of them been said about the tournament thus far. and.